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    Post by Romford Pele Mon Oct 07, 2013 9:27 am

    blutgraetsche wrote:Isco is a great talent and fine player, but he is no Mesut Özil. If Ancelotti / Real really believed him to be the ideal replacement, they're foolish to say at the very least.

    I wrote in the summer when the Bale transfer was nothing more than media chatter that Madrid finally had the players to form a formidable team. Isco would have benefitted massively from playing together with Özil, as would have Özil, for once, by sharing the creative burden or at the very least having a team mate on a similar wavelength, a proper footballer with great skill and instinct.

    Isco is a fine attacking midfielder with a strong goal scoring instinct. When it comes to German players, the closest we have to him is Marco Reus. Neither Isco, nor Reus are playmakers. They have a different focus, their movement is different and their instincts are different. It doesn't mean that they can't be creative and provide assists, of course they can. But they don't have that '360° awareness' of Özil, or Iniesta for that matter. Özil in particular is simply amazing at reading the game, moving into space and doing the right thing at the right time. He's a 100% team player whose main focus is to keep things going, to make things happening together with his team mates, not primarily by himself - he is one of those few players who improve the team as a whole. You could say that Isco is more of an individualist, while Özil is more of a team player. They are different.


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    Post by Jaime Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:04 pm



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    Post by Jaime Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:08 pm

    1     Barcelona     24
    2     Atlético     24
    3     Real Madrid     19
    4     Villarreal     17

    5     Getafe     13
    6     Athletic     13

    7     Valencia     13
    8     Espanyol     11
    9     Levante     10
    10     Málaga     9
    11     Sevilla     9
    12     Elche     9
    13     Betis     8
    14     Granada     8
    15     Real Sociedad     7
    16     Celta     6
    17     Valladolid     6
    18     Osasuna     6
    19     Rayo     6
    20     Almería     3
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    Post by messiah Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:21 pm

    lucky bastards
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    Post by Jaime Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:28 pm

    messiah wrote:lucky bastards
    I know, Valencia really have no business being that high in the table. Ale
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    Post by Jaime Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:18 pm

    Mes que un club!!!!!! lol!
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    Post by Cristiano Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:04 pm

    Jaime wrote:Mes que un club!!!!!! lol!
    lol! 

    p.s seems to be a lot of silence from the haters who would be out in force if Pathetico and Farca had won and RM had lost or drew. Its like there was no fixtures going on at all Laughing  Whistle 

    I await their return when normal service is resumed.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:03 pm

    I'll reserve judgement on Tata before Barca haven't played some strong opposition yet instead of La Liga cannon fodder. This week is going to be interesting in many ways, as Barca have to play both Milan and especially later Madrid. We'll see then what to expect from the new gaffer, if Neymar has really made the "Messidependencia" a thing of the past and so on. Actually, the clasico is going to be a moment of truth for both clubs and their new managers.
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    Post by messiah Sun Oct 20, 2013 2:50 pm

    "Messidependencia" will never be a thing of the past, because he is Lionel Messi.
    Neymar needs to be a bit more clinical in front of goal, he could have has one or two goals yesterday with better finishing and positioning, in both regards the team was very poor yesterday, now after Madrid has been so shit this season they will be six points behind us after the clasico and not 8.

    sooo looking forward to seeing neymar against Arbeloa, its going to be epic stuff, carvajal even more so.

    also this neymar dives thing really affected him yesterday, he should have gotten a PK and didn't and to be fair he hasn't dived much if at all in most of the games I have seen him play for us, he is just a bit weak and two too damn good for most defenders who always take him down and he is no messi that will keep on running after the first or second hit, doesn't mean its a dive though.
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    Post by Jaime Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:59 pm

    Valencia and Sevilla are soooooooooo shit.
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    Post by messiah Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:59 pm

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    Post by blutgraetsche Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:02 pm

    Taking clasico finances into account

    Posted by Dermot Corrigan

    Saturday's clasico between Barcelona and Real Madrid at the Camp Nou is not just the meeting of Spain's biggest teams. Depending on who you believe it is either the coming together of the two richest sporting institutions in the world, or a game between two clubs in which mounting financial issues are being willfully ignored.

    Madrid president Florentino Perez often commends his own economic stewardship of the Estadio Santiago Bernabeu club, and again spoke of how he had (twice) saved it from a financial abyss when he addressed the club's annual Asamblea in late September.

    "It is now nine consecutive years of revenue growth, and our figures are the highest in the global sports industry," a beaming Perez said. "There is no club, not in football or any other sport, which can reach this figure. Even Forbes magazine has laid down before us."

    Whatever about Forbes, the socios who attended were impressed -- approving the club's official accounts for the 2012-13 financial year by an extraordinary margin -- with 808 votes for, none against and four abstentions. The club's accounts showed Madrid's declared debts had fallen from 127 million euros to 90.6 million euros over the previous 12 months, while club revenues were up to a record 520.9 million euros, with a net profit of 36.9 million euros -- an increase of more than 50 percent on the previous year.

    Two weeks after Madrid's AGM, Barca held its Asamblea at the Camp Nou. Blaugrana president Sandro Rosell was also happy with himself as he predicted record revenues of 509 million euros for the 2013-14 season.

    The former Nike executive sounded not unlike a Eurozone politician as he spoke at this year's AGM of the need to balance "austerity" with investment in infrastructure and all-round "sustainable policies" at the Catalan club.

    "We have cleaned up the club over the last three years with a policy of transparency, austerity and growth," Rosell said. "[Reducing] the debt is the real key to the battle for our economic management and what makes us different."

    Different from his profligate predecessor (and now arch-enemy) Joan Laporta, Rosell meant. And figures circulated that day claimed that the Catalan club's debt had fallen from 430 million euros to 331 million euros in the three years since Rosell replaced Laporta. Significant investments in youth teams (73 million euros) and improvements to facilities (35 million euros) made over that time were also trumpeted. The club also pushed through a change to their statutes at the event -- which mandates that executives who do not quickly correct a deficit in the club's annual accounts must step down.

    While that statute change and Barca's budget were also approved by landslide majorities more commonly seen in a developing world dictatorship, fans' groups and journalists around both clubs have since subjected the official figures and claims by Perez and Rosell to closer scrutiny.

    Carlos Mendoza, president of Madrid fan group Asociacion por los Valores del Madridismo, who was hushed by Perez when he tried to offer a critical perspective at the AGM, was given a platform to speak in AS.

    "We have studied the accounts and found things which are not explained by the president," Mendoza said. "Florentino only recognises the 'net' financial debt, which is only the debt owed to the banks, some 90 million euros. But Madrid has more debts than just banks -- to players, clubs, sporting associations, public administration, suppliers. That all adds up to 541 million euros, more than double the debt Florentino inherited from Lorenzo Sanz."

    Mendoza also pointed out that the latest club figures did not include the hundreds of millions involved in signing Gareth Bale and extending Cristiano Ronaldo's contract, and suggested that Mesut Ozil's sale -- which was so unpopular with Madrid fans and players -- had been required to balance these out.

    Madrid fans might have wanted to dismiss Mendoza as a crank. But it was more difficult to ignore Jose Maria Gay de Liebana, widely regarded as Spanish football's foremost financial expert, who was also interviewed by AS.

    Perez, who is also the head of Spain's biggest construction company, often says that some debt (around 90 million euros) is not unusual for a huge multinational business like a top football club. But Gay de Liebana argued that the club's accounts showed it was well behind examples of good financial management like Arsenal or Borussia Dortmund.

    "Madrid's debt is, effectively, 541 million euros," said the Universidad de Barcelona professor. "It is a very high debt and there is a problem. Madrid has homework to do."

    Just as both Rosell and Perez blame predecessors as president for their debts, they also have pretty similar policies for helping their clubs to deal with their financial problems. Perez bought another galactico this summer in Bale -- and said he was "cheap" at 91 million euros due to the commercial revenues he would help bring in. Rosell, previously head of Nike's marketing activities in South America, had long made signing Neymar a priority this summer for similar reasons.

    While most Madrid fans quite like signing big-money superstars, the Barca board's move into international marketing has been more controversial. A socis (club members) protest group called "Go Barca" tried to officially censure Rosell and three fellow directors last month, citing grievances including the 65 million-euro Neymar transfer and the club's commercial dealings with Qatar. Rosell headed off that threat, but many in Catalonia wonder how such practices fit with the club's famous "mes que un club" slogan.

    New construction plans also feature heavily on the agenda of both Perez and Rosell. Despite, or perhaps because of, their club's debts, both men want to increase the capacity and/or commercial potential of the Bernabeu and the Camp Nou.

    Disgruntled fan Mendoza claimed that Perez planned to use "three or four years" of future season ticket sales as part security for a loan to finance the planned 400 million-euro redevelopment of the Bernabeu, while Perez himself has floated the idea of the stadium gaining a "surname" -- which sounds quite like the beginning of a softening-up process towards selling naming rights to a sponsor. A redevelopment of the Camp Nou is also an aim of Rosell's -- and would require a significant injection of funds from somewhere, with the Qatar Foundation and/or government quite likely investors.

    Such plans are likely to be very unpopular with fans –- even the apparently docile ones who vote at asambleas. But further borrowing by either Barca or Madrid could even mean that members (socios in Madrid, socis in Barcelona) lose control of "their" club, and no longer get the chance to rubber-stamp executive decisions each year.

    Given the need to manage their huge debts, whatever the actual figure, both Madrid and Barca are especially vulnerable to a drop-off in revenues. Spain's current economic "crisis" has hit matchday revenues at both clubs -- leading perhaps to both Rosell's much-lamented decision to start charging under-sevens, and Madrid's pricing of most tickets at 100 euros and over for the recent derbi against Atletico. An even bigger danger would be if the Spanish government goes through with plans to change La Liga's current television revenue sharing agreement -- and cut the total amount the big two currently receive.

    Should Madrid's debt increase still further, Gay de Liebana warned that the club might need to be "saved" by a wealthy external buyer.

    "The fact is that Madrid is so far in debt, and has a big project for the stadium, so it could end up having to convert itself into a limited company, or 'Sociedad Anonima,' so that capital can be injected in," he said. "Then you would either need a socio with the ability to bring that capital, or the support of a benefactor."

    Perez often claims he is the only Spanish president who can ensure the club's "values" are protected from a Russian or Arab investor. Rosell appears happy for the club's apparent support for Catalan nationalism to cover their ever-closer links with Qatar. But questions are mounting over where both presidents are really taking "their" clubs.
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    Post by Jaime Thu Oct 24, 2013 7:30 pm

    The debt of Real Madrid or Barcelona varies wildly depending on who you interview. One Laporta's ex-vicepresidents came out the other day saying that Rosell had Barcelona on the verge of financial collapse.

    Anyhow, never believe a guy called Gay. Ale
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    Post by messiah Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:29 pm

    thats a load of crap about madrid, no one includes wages as apart off debts, that alone throws everything out the door
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    Post by Super Progress Fri Oct 25, 2013 11:39 am

    As long as the government doesn't come after us, except if to shower us with money, then I don't really care.
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    Post by Puro Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:26 am

    Bale had to play since Asia was watching the game with interest and Florentino has to sell those Bale t-shirts.

    Ancelotti fired back by not playing Isco when told he had to accommodate Bale. What a disgrace!

    History's repeating again, Ronaldinho-Beckham then and now Neymar-Bale. Only one winner.

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE!!! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLEEEEEEEEE!!! Biggrin <Ale> 
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    Post by Fey Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:30 pm

    Madrid v Sevilla anyone? it's amazing!

    6-3 so far and Sevilla gets a joke of a Soldado...and they miss! And Mbia gets a red card.
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    Post by Fey Wed Oct 30, 2013 10:38 pm

    7-3...

    How shite are Sevilla if even Bale AND Benzema can score twice against them.

    Madrid can finally get their decima...if they want tonight.
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    Post by Jaime Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:48 pm

    I tell you what - SOMEONE wants Barcelona to win this league. Two penalties called against Madrid in the Bernabeu!!!!! Crazy
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    Post by Isco Benny Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:07 am

    Puro wrote:Bale had to play since Asia was watching the game with interest and Florentino has to sell those Bale t-shirts.

    Ancelotti fired back by not playing Isco when told he had to accommodate Bale. What a disgrace!

    History's repeating again, Ronaldinho-Beckham then and now Neymar-Bale. Only one winner.

    OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLE!!! OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLEEEEEEEEE!!! Biggrin <Ale> 
    lol! Oh the burn! Bale scores two and plays an integral part in a 7-3 destruction in his HOME DEBUT.

    What a failure hey??? lol!
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    Post by Jaime Thu Oct 31, 2013 12:09 am

    Fey wrote:7-3...

    How shite are Sevilla if even Bale AND Benzema can score twice against them.

    Madrid can finally get their decima...if they want tonight.
    Sevilla are shit to be fair.
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    Post by Jaime Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:37 pm

    FT Espanyol 0 - 0 Malaga
    FT Celta Vigo 0 - 3 Barcelona
    FT Valencia 1 - 2 Almeria
    FT Valladolid 2 - 2 Real Sociedad
    FT Osasuna 3 - 1 Rayo Vallecano
    FT Real Madrid 7 - 3 Sevilla

    15:00 Granada ? - ? Atletico Madrid
    15:00 Villarreal ? - ? Getafe
    17:00 Athletic Bilbao ? - ? Elche
    17:00 Real Betis ? - ? Levante

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    Post by Fey Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:10 pm

    Madrid are Fussballpornografie! 0-3 up and two penalties against them in in one minute...1-3 and now 2-3...
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    Post by Cristiano Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:18 pm

    It's the new curse of the 3-0 scoreline. It's mandatory to press the red self destruct button after.
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    Post by Isco Benny Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:23 pm

    Fey wrote:Madrid are Fussballpornografie! 0-3 up and two penalties against them in in one minute...1-3 and now 2-3...
    Who assisted for Madrid you c**t?

    3 goals 4 assists for flop Bale to date
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    Post by Cristiano Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:53 pm

    Isco Benny wrote:
    Fey wrote:Madrid are Fussballpornografie! 0-3 up and two penalties against them in in one minute...1-3 and now 2-3...
    Who assisted for Madrid you c**t?

    3 goals 4 assists for flop Bale to date
    The haters will conveniently look over that and appear again when he has a bad game. (If he has a average to bad game against Juve expect them to come out in force)
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    Post by Fey Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:59 am

    Isco Benny wrote:
    Fey wrote:Madrid are Fussballpornografie! 0-3 up and two penalties against them in in one minute...1-3 and now 2-3...
    Who assisted for Madrid you c**t?

    3 goals 4 assists for flop Bale to date
    I haven't seen any of the goals Madrid scored, tuned in when it was already 0-3.

    But I reckon you were wearing this shirt again.

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    Twonk!
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    Post by Jaime Fri Nov 08, 2013 3:38 pm

    Copa del Rey draw is out. Real Madrid and Barcelona are on opposite sides of the draw. There could be a Madrid derby in the semifinal.

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    Post by The Pröfessör Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:34 pm

    Atletico are putting in another non-progressive performance away to Villareal by consistently keeping 10 men behind the ball Erm 
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    Post by The Pröfessör Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:34 pm


    Villareal equalise, deserved.

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