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Premier League Fixtures 14/15/16 September 2013
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Re: Premier League Fixtures 14/15/16 September 2013
by Isco Benny Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:35 pm
I'm still chuckling to myself over your claim that Spurs' summer strategy involved buying a bunch of B-list foreigners. The three names above being the punchlineLuis wrote:Fuckin 'ellll here he is, got his bollocks out because Spurs have finally managed to score some goals from open playIsco Benny wrote:What are Aspas, Alberto and Ibe famous for? Share the excitement please.
A draw away to Swansea is a good result whichever way you look at it. And it was good to see Liverpool score more than one goal in the process. It all started going wrong for Liverpool when the poor man's Christian Eriksen went off injured in the 60th minute. Proves as always the importance of a natural number 10 when playing a 4231 formation. Liverpool don't appear to have a direct replacement either until Suarez is back, Moses Kiptanui is actually 53years old and obviously a player who likes to drift wide as a natural wide player of a certain age is prone to do. As do Ibe and Sterling of course. A spaz and King Albert are clearly Albert Riera and Mark Gonzalez wearing those plastic glasses/nose/tache disguises, so no use asking them to fill the central void either.
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by The Chosen Glenn Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:37 pm
Suarez might be a useful weapon from the bench to wake us up in the 2nd half of games.
I don't think I like Aspas. Haven't been impressed by him in any of our games so far this season. Lightweight, terrible movement, spikey like a skinnier Craig Bellamy. Maybe he's being asked to play in an unfamiliar position, I don't know. We've had periods in all our games where we've dominated and where we've been pinned back and needed relief - he hasn't looked like a player who'd thrive in either scenario. Thankfully Suarez and Moses will push him further down the pecking order.
Bringing on Toure at right back was a mistake. Don't do it again Brendan.
I don't think I like Aspas. Haven't been impressed by him in any of our games so far this season. Lightweight, terrible movement, spikey like a skinnier Craig Bellamy. Maybe he's being asked to play in an unfamiliar position, I don't know. We've had periods in all our games where we've dominated and where we've been pinned back and needed relief - he hasn't looked like a player who'd thrive in either scenario. Thankfully Suarez and Moses will push him further down the pecking order.
Bringing on Toure at right back was a mistake. Don't do it again Brendan.
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Re: Premier League Fixtures 14/15/16 September 2013
by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:48 pm
Isco Benny wrote:I'm still chuckling to myself over your claim that Spurs' summer strategy involved buying a bunch of B-list foreigners. The three names above being the punchlineLuis wrote:Fuckin 'ellll here he is, got his bollocks out because Spurs have finally managed to score some goals from open playIsco Benny wrote:What are Aspas, Alberto and Ibe famous for? Share the excitement please.
A draw away to Swansea is a good result whichever way you look at it. And it was good to see Liverpool score more than one goal in the process. It all started going wrong for Liverpool when the poor man's Christian Eriksen went off injured in the 60th minute. Proves as always the importance of a natural number 10 when playing a 4231 formation. Liverpool don't appear to have a direct replacement either until Suarez is back, Moses Kiptanui is actually 53years old and obviously a player who likes to drift wide as a natural wide player of a certain age is prone to do. As do Ibe and Sterling of course. A spaz and King Albert are clearly Albert Riera and Mark Gonzalez wearing those plastic glasses/nose/tache disguises, so no use asking them to fill the central void either.
Brilliant
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by The Chosen Glenn Mon Sep 16, 2013 10:59 pm
- Christian Erection has played how many games for Spurs?:
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by Isco Benny Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:21 pm
I keep telling you, all will be revealed once Eriksen plays the mighty Tromso.will.i.glenn wrote:
- Christian Erection has played how many games for Spurs?:
The poor man's comment might just have been tongue-in-cheek. Possibly.
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Re: Premier League Fixtures 14/15/16 September 2013
by The Chosen Glenn Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:35 pm
you were gushing similarly after Holtby's start. A few months later and he's nervously eyeing up the route to QPR on Google Maps.
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Re: Premier League Fixtures 14/15/16 September 2013
by christmasborocooper Mon Sep 16, 2013 11:43 pm
Aspas looks pretty rubbish.
Swansea look better without Bony as well I thought.
Swansea look better without Bony as well I thought.
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Jamie Carragher.
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by Isco Benny Tue Sep 17, 2013 12:18 am
Lies. Gushing about signing him for 1.5million perhaps (a German wunderkid getting rimmed by Kroos and co., why not?) but not yet about his performances.will.i.glenn wrote:you were gushing similarly after Holtby's start. A few months later and he's nervously eyeing up the route to QPR on Google Maps.
Besides, you know as well as I do you've purposefully twisted reality to suggest that All Spurs fans are squirting over Eriksen in a crude XXX rated fashion, when the it's really a mix of satisfaction that we've signed a natural number 10 with some baiting of All Liverpool Fans who'd been acting like Jews missing out on train tickets to Auschwitz when they didn't sign him.
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by christmasborocooper Tue Sep 17, 2013 8:11 am
Oh dear. And he'd been doing so well.. I mean, fair enough if he has that opinion, but what an abysmal argument he made..Kimbo wrote:
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I agree with Carragher. Scholes was a brilliant player but I prefer players who always find that bit of magic when you need it and score that winning goal or a goal to set you on your way. People will remember Messi and Ronaldo more than Xavi and Iniesta in 50 years time, fact.
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by christmasborocooper Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:34 am
Yeah in the same way everyone has forgotten who Zidane was..
And that wasn't even what Carragher was saying. He said nothing worth saying and said it badly. I like him but that was poor stuff.
And that wasn't even what Carragher was saying. He said nothing worth saying and said it badly. I like him but that was poor stuff.
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by Romford Pele Tue Sep 17, 2013 9:45 am
Lampard and Gerrard better than Scholes 
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He didn't do too badly though, was quite involved in build-up and will score goals for them. Angel Ranger is really decent atacking full back, but I can't understand all the fuss and transfer rumours regarding Ashley Williams.christmasborocooper wrote:
Swansea look better without Bony as well I thought.
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Re: Premier League Fixtures 14/15/16 September 2013
by The Chosen Glenn Tue Sep 17, 2013 10:37 am
that Carragher/Neville debate looked so staged it was cringeworthy.
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Can't believe he brought Sven and Veron into that debate to back his points.Kimbo wrote:
Jamie Carragher.
So much to go on having played with Gerrard most of his career yet he picked those ridiculous points.
Neville destroyed him there
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Re: Premier League Fixtures 14/15/16 September 2013
by christmasborocooper Tue Sep 17, 2013 2:24 pm
I think his problem was.. He'd thought of an argument for why he thinks Gerrard is the best.. But hadn't really anticipated arguing that Scholes wasn't.. And that totally stumped him.
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Did he?COTR wrote:Can't believe he brought Sven and Veron into that debate to back his points.Kimbo wrote:
Jamie Carragher.
So much to go on having played with Gerrard most of his career yet he picked those ridiculous points.
Neville destroyed him there
At least Carragher attempted to answer the question, Neville couldn't answer so he was just saying Scholes was the best player he played with. That was his whole argument. I think Carragher was trying to say that both Gerrard and Lampard came up with big moments in big games, scholes didn't.
I thought the Veron point was well-made, why did Ferguson buy him if scholes "controlled the tempo of a game" so well and was such a unique talent as neville was making out? Maybe because Scholes controlled the tempo against fulham, southampton etc but didn't do it at the highest level, against good opposition in the CL, and ferguson thought veron could?
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Maybe Ferguson wanted a selection of good midfielders? 
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But Neville didn't come up with any argument at all, except for scholes is the best player he's played with. It's an opinion not an argument.christmasborocooper wrote:I think his problem was.. He'd thought of an argument for why he thinks Gerrard is the best.. But hadn't really anticipated arguing that Scholes wasn't.. And that totally stumped him.
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Re: Premier League Fixtures 14/15/16 September 2013
by Romford Pele Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:16 pm
http://www.givemesport.com/344869-paul-scholes-the-best-quotes
Quotes on Scholes.
Quotes on Scholes.
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2 players for setting the tempo?Kimbo wrote:Maybe Ferguson wanted a selection of good midfielders?
Because that was neville's argument for scholes, setting the tempo.
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So are you saying Scholes wasn't good at setting the tempo? While Veron was there Scholes played an advanced role and scored a shitload of goals, so aswell as being respected around the world as one of the best CM's he could also play the glory role when asked to like Gerrard and Lampard. And even though he scored all those goals Ferguson still moved him back, he apparently found his tempo setting more valuable than his goals.110% wrote:2 players for setting the tempo?Kimbo wrote:Maybe Ferguson wanted a selection of good midfielders?
Because that was neville's argument for scholes, setting the tempo.
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I can't find a whole page of people sucking off gerrard the same way, but zidane on gerrard:Romford Pele wrote:http://www.givemesport.com/344869-paul-scholes-the-best-quotes
Quotes on Scholes.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2009/mar/13/zinedine-zidane-steven-gerrard-liverpool
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Re: Premier League Fixtures 14/15/16 September 2013
by The Chosen Glenn Tue Sep 17, 2013 3:27 pm
Romford Pele wrote:http://www.givemesport.com/344869-paul-scholes-the-best-quotes
Quotes on Scholes.
you can find these sorts of quotes everywhere. It's a silly debate and I'm amazed it's back.I'm pretty sure that at one point Zidane and Pele have said everyone is the best player in the world. Including Nicky Butt.
1. GARY NEVILLE - "Steven Gerrard is undoubtedly a world-class player and I wish he'd played for United. 'Come play for United,' I said one day to Steven when we were in the hotel. 'The fans will take to you in no time.' He just laughed, and said: 'I'll do it if you go to Anfield.'"
2. ZINEDINE ZIDANE - "Is he the best in the world? He might not get the attention of Messi and Ronaldo but, yes, I think he just might be. If you don't have a player like Steven Gerrard, who is the engine room, it can affect the whole team. He has great passing ability, can tackle and scores goals, but most importantly, he gives the players around him confidence and belief. You can't learn that - players like him are just born with that presence."
3. PATRICK VIEIRA - "The best midfielder I would say is Steven Gerrard. I really rate him as a player and as a man. I think he is still one of the best. He is so powerful and strong. He can attack, he can defend and he can score."
4. KAKA - "England have always had individually strong players and I am a huge fan of Stevie Gerrard. He has the heart of a lion and is the icon of the modern footballer with his ability to attack and defend so well. He is the world's most complete modern player."
5. PELE - "Gerrard is an excellent player, absolutely world class. If I was a manager, everywhere I went I would buy Steven Gerrard. He is what Brazil needs, because he is always looking forward and has a big heart. Two years ago I saw Gerrard play and then I saw him in Tokyo in a game against Sao Paulo. I said then that Gerrard is a great player. To me he is one of the best midfielders in the world. He is an excellent player."
6. THIERRY HENRY - "For me, and I have always said this, he will be regarded as one of the greatest midfielders ever when he finishes his career. No doubt. The guy is always putting his foot in, always scoring and doing what he has to do to make his team win. That is what football is all about. He, for me, is Liverpool."
7. ALEX FERGUSON - "He has become the most influential player in England, bar none. More than Vieira. Not that Vieira lacks anything, but I think that Gerrard does more for his team than Vieira does, and has way more to his game. I've watched him quite a lot. To me, Gerrard is Keane. Everywhere the ball is, he seems to be there. He's got that unbelievable engine, desire, determination. Anyone would love to have Gerrard in their team."
8. CARLO ANCELOTTI - "Gerrard is a great player. He is undoubtedly one of the best midfield players in the world."
9. PEPE REINA - "Stevie is the badge of this football club, the soul of this team. Just by the fact that he is on the pitch it is an inspiration for us. He always leads by example and anything he does, he does with passion and a lot of commitment. He is a born winner."
10. RONALDINHO - ‘For me, in the position he plays, he is one of the very best in the world. For the job he performs, for me he is one of the greatest.’
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I am making the point of why ferguson bought veron, not why he sold veron. He bought him and moved scholes, hence ferguson thought someone could do it better. It turns out that Veron didn't like the pace of the EPL (and went to chelsea before going back to Italy). Scholes was moved back as he was the best option they had, and was fine against the likes of fulham, newcastle etc, but he never did it against the best, especially in the CL. I am not saying Scholes is a bad player, far from it, but his "tempo setting" which was neville's argument was bullshit.Kimbo wrote:So are you saying Scholes wasn't good at setting the tempo? While Veron was there Scholes played an advanced role and scored a shitload of goals, so aswell as being respected around the world as one of the best CM's he could also play the glory role when asked to like Gerrard and Lampard. And even though he scored all those goals Ferguson still moved him back, he apparently found his tempo setting more valuable than his goals.110% wrote:2 players for setting the tempo?Kimbo wrote:Maybe Ferguson wanted a selection of good midfielders?
Because that was neville's argument for scholes, setting the tempo.
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Re: Premier League Fixtures 14/15/16 September 2013
by Romford Pele Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:11 pm
I'm surprised they've gone with a 4-4-2 after the 4-3-3 served them so well after January last season.stinger wrote:What an awful game it was.
Really disappointed with Southampton. They are trying to use Osvaldo and Lambert up front, but because of that they are now are missing one linking up player and they don't have a good passer among DM/CMs. Surprised that Pochettino sticked with Wanyama and Scheinderlin for full 90 minutes.
They're playing Wanyama and Schneiderlin CM, of course they aren't going to be creative. Lambert and Osvaldo isn't the most mobile strikeforce either. Then there's the issue of not playing Ramirez. Baffling to say the least. They have a good team so Pochettino should be able to make it work.
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Well, I think this settles it.
Scholes!
http://www.theguardian.com/football/poll/2013/sep/17/who-was-best-scholes-gerrard-lampard
Scholes!
http://www.theguardian.com/football/poll/2013/sep/17/who-was-best-scholes-gerrard-lampard
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by Super Progress Tue Sep 17, 2013 4:28 pm
Must say that after watching a couple of clips they seem like a good partnership on TV. How do the resident Brits feel about them? You always tend to be complaining they seem a good pair.Kimbo wrote:
Jamie Carragher.
With regards to Gerrard vs Scholes
Carragher did actually make arguments and so did Neville. Carrager points out that he likes the match winner type who delivers on big occasions. Neville points out that it is not just about getting the match winner because you need players who can dictate the tempo and help set up your team. So you can measure Scholes on a single moment in a game but rather on the many crucial battles won on the pitch during a game that tips it in your favour. Carragher says that there must be a reason Erikson and Ferguson decided against Scholes in Cm in favour of Lampard+Gerrard and Veron respectively.
Imo while the latter is true I don't give it much credit. Erikson persisted with Lampard+Gerrard not because it made England better(it didn't) but I think because he thought Scholes was expendable in that nobody would kick up much fuss whereas removing Lampard/Gerrard from Cm or entirely would have created media problems for him. Ferguson might well have been right to buy Veron because he was a better tempo setter but Scholes started out more as a box to box and only after he came back from his injury did he really revert to the Scholes who played deep and set the tempo. So the Veron vs Scholes misses the point. I respect Scholes for being able to change his playing style when he needed to and still remaining world class perhaps even improving. Gerrard has never convinced me in any other role except Am but I thought he did played that role better than Scholes ever and at the Cl level as well.
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