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    Post by Parks lives Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:50 pm

    No offence, but thats such a boring and unfactual statement.

    First off he only played 21 games in Europe (scoring 10 goals) as most of the time we had the 3 European rule so we had some games where players like Cantona and Schmeichel where in the stands. Secondly his only full season we reached the semi final but got knocked out to Dortmund, the eventual winners.
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    Post by Lordanger Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:53 pm

    kev, i wondered if you were hinting at that but i couldnt remember any off the top of my head but im not overly surprised.
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    Post by Hardrada Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:57 pm

    Parks Lives wrote:
    Hardrada wrote:To be fair though, those stats are wrong.

    Since Zola got 59 goals in the PL and 80 overall - using 70 as a number makes pretty much no sense.

    http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=8816

    So.....why are you counting League + FA Cup only? It makes zero sense.
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    Post by Parks lives Mon Oct 02, 2006 6:59 pm

    Hardrada wrote:
    Parks Lives wrote:
    Hardrada wrote:To be fair though, those stats are wrong.

    Since Zola got 59 goals in the PL and 80 overall - using 70 as a number makes pretty much no sense.

    http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=8816

    So.....why are you counting League + FA Cup only? It makes zero sense.

    Heh, Im just giving how many goals each player had for their club compared to how many games they placed according to soccerbase.

    It has European as well, under other.
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    Post by Saintsar Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:06 pm

    Kevin wrote:
    Ah i do love these arguments.
    Ok, using my great skills in reasoning and rehetoric; you enter in a debate and actually manage to complain about the Arsenal fans before we have even mentioned Henry.

    Arsenal fans never stop talking about Henry on here. On this thread - no, no Arsenal fans had launched into a whacking fest over Thierry. I don't see threads as atomised conversations, each with their own rules.

    Most people wait for the original act to be done but why bother?

    Search for 'Henry' on this forum.

    You can just launch allegations when we have not even mentioned him...
    Renders our side of the argument totally useless.

    Pretty much. I dunno why you're bothering either.

    I understand all of words that you use perfectly, esecially the long ones Exclamation

    Go on then - what's post hoc ergo propter hoc?

    Anyway, ill be more than content to give accurate definitions of any of the words that you have used here.

    See above.

    And as to my point about the "totally meaningless" parts that go before hand, you have managed to misinterpretate me completely.

    Misinterpretate? Do you mean misinterpret?

    Well done. I dont think even you will deny that your posts are long and could be somewhat more than succint.

    More than succint? Do you mean 'more succinct'?

    if you made you posts far shorter and to the point, then im pretty certain youll find an obvious blunt meaning.

    I don't seek to say anything obvious. You're right, I could retreat into boring football cliches and say lots of obvious things. Obvious words say obvious thing. More complex words say more complex things. It's to do with the relationship between entropy and redundancy (look up Shannon and Weaver) in a living language.

    Fair play about the test. How clever are you anyway?

    Ludicrously. Nonetheless, that doesn't make me right. I'm smart enough to realise that intelligence is just another tool.

    Is your degree in Phsycology really useful?

    I have never formally studied psychology, though I have read some of the key writers in it, mainly for laughs. My degree is a broad mix of art history, philosophy, film history, literature and several different sorts of writing course. I dunno if it's useful, but I intend to eventually get a job in news media, probably for the BBC. I can see it being very useful for that, since I'm trained in several different sorts of research methods, high and low culture, abstract theory, and lots of different styles of writing.


    As it is, I stand by the impression offered by most of the Arsenal fans on this thread, that Bergkamp is the most significant foreigner in premiership history.
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    Post by Lordanger Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:07 pm

    park: i remember watch uts games in europe back then and eric went missing in a lot of them. He was your talisman and your creator yet too often he simply was nothing but baggage when it came to the crunch at the highest level.
    I enjoyed watching him play and he was very important for the english game because he was the first quality import to make a big impact -in which was a very weak league, at the time- in english football. The premiership in 1994/5 was a poor league mainly because of the ban from euro competitions which put our style of footy far behind our euro cousins. It wasnt until the influx of forgine players that the prem became the powerhouse it is today. Man utd apart, the english teams were a joke in europe till the late 90's.
    My point is that it is a lot easier to star in a sub standard league than it is in a top one and if eric had been such a world beater he would have found himself in italy during the mid 90s. He was bumbling around in france till he was 26 and in international footy he was part of a french team that failed to qualify for 2 straight tournements.
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    Post by Saintsar Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:10 pm

    True, Cantona was inconsistent in Europe. Who does that remind you of?
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    Post by Lordanger Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:11 pm

    my bad: france did go to euro 1992. but with eric up front they failed to win a single game so they might as well have not gone.
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    Post by theflyingfrenchman Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:20 pm

    saintgoingmarching wrote:True, Cantona was inconsistent in Europe. Who does that remind you of?

    Thierry Henry, the fourth all time top scorer in the CL?
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    Post by Lordanger Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:21 pm

    inter milan?
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    Post by Kevin Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:30 pm

    saintgoingmarching wrote:
    Kevin wrote:
    Ah i do love these arguments.
    Ok, using my great skills in reasoning and rehetoric; you enter in a debate and actually manage to complain about the Arsenal fans before we have even mentioned Henry.

    Arsenal fans never stop talking about Henry on here. On this thread - no, no Arsenal fans had launched into a whacking fest over Thierry. I don't see threads as atomised conversations, each with their own rules.

    Most people wait for the original act to be done but why bother?

    Search for 'Henry' on this forum.

    You can just launch allegations when we have not even mentioned him...
    Renders our side of the argument totally useless.

    Pretty much. I dunno why you're bothering either.

    I understand all of words that you use perfectly, esecially the long ones Exclamation

    Go on then - what's post hoc ergo propter hoc?

    Anyway, ill be more than content to give accurate definitions of any of the words that you have used here.

    See above.

    And as to my point about the "totally meaningless" parts that go before hand, you have managed to misinterpretate me completely.

    Misinterpretate? Do you mean misinterpret?

    Well done. I dont think even you will deny that your posts are long and could be somewhat more than succint.

    More than succint? Do you mean 'more succinct'?

    if you made you posts far shorter and to the point, then im pretty certain youll find an obvious blunt meaning.

    I don't seek to say anything obvious. You're right, I could retreat into boring football cliches and say lots of obvious things. Obvious words say obvious thing. More complex words say more complex things. It's to do with the relationship between entropy and redundancy (look up Shannon and Weaver) in a living language.

    Fair play about the test. How clever are you anyway?

    Ludicrously. Nonetheless, that doesn't make me right. I'm smart enough to realise that intelligence is just another tool.

    Is your degree in Phsycology really useful?

    I have never formally studied psychology, though I have read some of the key writers in it, mainly for laughs. My degree is a broad mix of art history, philosophy, film history, literature and several different sorts of writing course. I dunno if it's useful, but I intend to eventually get a job in news media, probably for the BBC. I can see it being very useful for that, since I'm trained in several different sorts of research methods, high and low culture, abstract theory, and lots of different styles of writing.


    As it is, I stand by the impression offered by most of the Arsenal fans on this thread, that Bergkamp is the most significant foreigner in premiership history.

    Firstly my apologies, i clearly do not care enough about this forum to correct every typo i make. Mea Culpa. Im sure the general meaning of what i wrote was perfectly decipherable. Is that spelt right. Oh well, im sure you can work the word out.
    Anyway, you seem to have worked out my point so its all good.
    "Search Hnery on this forum" We were talking about this thread. Yes, Arsenal fans rate him, however, i did not hear nay of us immediately championing him the greatest premiership player; thus meaning it would be unfair to criticise us for that.
    Your views on Henry are meant for a different argument on a different topic.
    As i siad, if you seem to be content to fabricate our argument, it renders our side of the argument pretty much useless to you as you have already answered our non existing post.
    I was talking about post long, not complexity of the words used. And your posts have a pretty short meaning regardless of complex words taht are used to reach your complex conclusion.

    Fair enough, i do not know the meaning of the word hoc ergo propter hoc. I was talking about words that you have actually used in context but oh well.

    What university are you at?
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    Post by The Pröfessör Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:38 pm

    @ kevin

    Did u really try to find meanings to those words to prove to him that u aren't stupid? just ignore him mate. or ask him a simple question in maths ( or any subject u know) which he can't answer, i guess that makes him stupid too.
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    Post by Kevin Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:41 pm

    Nope, didnt even go near them.
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    Post by Saintsar Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:41 pm

    Post hoc ergo propter hoc is Latin, obviously, for 'after this, therefore caused by this', or something similar. It's a logical fallacy, as identified in Nietzsche's 'The Four Great Errors'.


    I'm at the University of Life. They award degrees in survival, apparently.

    As to Henry - I have read a few 'greatest player in the world' type of comments here and while I'm not going to dispute such tags, the majority of arguments for that are based around stats (as they usually are for any such claim regarding any such player). It did amuse me that the response my 'tease' was looking for was found so easily, but I'm happy to drop it now and get back to the discussion that we're meant to be having.
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    Post by Saintsar Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:44 pm

    Agooner wrote:@ kevin

    Did u really try to find meanings to those words to prove to him that u aren't stupid? just ignore him mate. or ask him a simple question in maths ( or any subject u know) which he can't answer, i guess that makes him stupid too.


    Do you really have nothing better to do than try to badmouth me via the internet? Strange young man...
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    Post by theflyingfrenchman Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:44 pm

    saintgoingmarching wrote:Post hoc ergo propter hoc is Latin, obviously, for 'after this, therefore caused by this', or something similar. It's a logical fallacy, as identified in Nietzsche's 'The Four Great Errors'.


    I'm at the University of Life. They award degrees in survival, apparently.

    As to Henry - I have read a few 'greatest player in the world' type of comments here and while I'm not going to dispute such tags, the majority of arguments for that are based around stats (as they usually are for any such claim regarding any such player). It did amuse me that the response my 'tease' was looking for was found so easily, but I'm happy to drop it now and get back to the discussion that we're meant to be having.

    I knew what that meant. Guess five years of Latin have come in handy.
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    Post by Saintsar Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:47 pm

    Very Happy Very Happy


    See, this is what a civilised (i.e. bourgeois) conversation looks like. And not an Arsenal fan in sight...

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    Post by Kevin Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:49 pm

    What a good and valid point.
    I apologise for beign such a philistine.
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    Post by The Pröfessör Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:51 pm

    saintgoingmarching wrote:
    Agooner wrote:@ kevin

    Did u really try to find meanings to those words to prove to him that u aren't stupid? just ignore him mate. or ask him a simple question in maths ( or any subject u know) which he can't answer, i guess that makes him stupid too.


    Do you really have nothing better to do than try to badmouth me via the internet? Strange young man...

    I have nothing against u but your constant wind ups here is what really piss me off.
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    Post by Football Genius Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:56 pm

    Wind ups ? ive always found saintgoingmarching to be a good poster....
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    Post by L r d Mon Oct 02, 2006 7:58 pm

    Cantona
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    Post by The Pröfessör Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:00 pm

    Football Genius wrote:Wind ups ? ive always found saintgoingmarching to be a good poster....

    not a surprise there since he is a liverpool "suppoter"
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    Post by Owen Thomas Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:25 pm

    Agooner wrote:
    Football Genius wrote:Wind ups ? ive always found saintgoingmarching to be a good poster....

    not a surprise there since he is a liverpool "suppoter"

    scratch
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    Post by Puro Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:28 pm

    Parks Lives wrote:..to be showed on Tuesday on Sky sports 1.

    Probably be Henry, even though it should be between Cantona, Bergkamp or Keane.

    I don't know which player is the greatest. However, I can't think of one player meaning more to his team than Solano. When Nobby arrived in Newcastle, the Magpyes were playing in Europe. Then Robson sells him to Aston Villa, and Newcastle hit rock bottom. Souness gets Solano right back to Newcastle, and they fight for UEFA places. Now Solano's injured, hasn't played for some games, and Newcastle are shite without Nobby. <Ale>
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    Post by Owen Thomas Mon Oct 02, 2006 8:37 pm

    Puro wrote:
    Parks Lives wrote:..to be showed on Tuesday on Sky sports 1.

    Probably be Henry, even though it should be between Cantona, Bergkamp or Keane.

    I don't know which player is the greatest. However, I can't think of one player meaning more to his team than Solano. When Nobby arrived in Newcastle, the Magpyes were playing in Europe. Then Robson sells him to Aston Villa, and Newcastle hit rock bottom. Souness gets Solano right back to Newcastle, and they fight for UEFA places. Now Solano's injured, hasn't played for some games, and Newcastle are shite without Nobby. <Ale>

    Bet that was nothing to do with the fact that he is Peruvian.
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:08 pm

    i think solano is under rated has a brilliant shot and great technique
    and has a good cross, what more do you want from a winger?
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    Post by christmasborocooper Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:11 pm

    Solano is quality, no doubt about that. I'd take him here at the moment.
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    Post by Kimbo Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:43 pm

    3rd highest amount of assists in premiership history behind Beckham and Giggs. Very classy player. ok
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:45 pm

    Solano has been quality - and he produces a goal of the season contender every year. Like the one with the outside of his foot last season - can't remember who it was against.
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    Post by Kimbo Mon Oct 02, 2006 9:52 pm

    TeamSpirit™️ wrote:Solano has been quality - and he produces a goal of the season contender every year. Like the one with the outside of his foot last season - can't remember who it was against.

    Against Everton, wasn't even a contender for goal of the season for some reason, it was a horrible list. Neutral

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