First off he only played 21 games in Europe (scoring 10 goals) as most of the time we had the 3 European rule so we had some games where players like Cantona and Schmeichel where in the stands. Secondly his only full season we reached the semi final but got knocked out to Dortmund, the eventual winners.
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Premierships greatest foreign players...
Parks lives- Number of posts : 34521
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No offence, but thats such a boring and unfactual statement.
First off he only played 21 games in Europe (scoring 10 goals) as most of the time we had the 3 European rule so we had some games where players like Cantona and Schmeichel where in the stands. Secondly his only full season we reached the semi final but got knocked out to Dortmund, the eventual winners.
First off he only played 21 games in Europe (scoring 10 goals) as most of the time we had the 3 European rule so we had some games where players like Cantona and Schmeichel where in the stands. Secondly his only full season we reached the semi final but got knocked out to Dortmund, the eventual winners.
Lordanger- Number of posts : 1519
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kev, i wondered if you were hinting at that but i couldnt remember any off the top of my head but im not overly surprised.
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Parks Lives wrote:Hardrada wrote:To be fair though, those stats are wrong.
Since Zola got 59 goals in the PL and 80 overall - using 70 as a number makes pretty much no sense.
http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=8816
So.....why are you counting League + FA Cup only? It makes zero sense.
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Hardrada wrote:Parks Lives wrote:Hardrada wrote:To be fair though, those stats are wrong.
Since Zola got 59 goals in the PL and 80 overall - using 70 as a number makes pretty much no sense.
http://www.soccerbase.com/players_details.sd?playerid=8816
So.....why are you counting League + FA Cup only? It makes zero sense.
Heh, Im just giving how many goals each player had for their club compared to how many games they placed according to soccerbase.
It has European as well, under other.
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Kevin wrote:
Ah i do love these arguments.
Ok, using my great skills in reasoning and rehetoric; you enter in a debate and actually manage to complain about the Arsenal fans before we have even mentioned Henry.
Arsenal fans never stop talking about Henry on here. On this thread - no, no Arsenal fans had launched into a whacking fest over Thierry. I don't see threads as atomised conversations, each with their own rules.
Most people wait for the original act to be done but why bother?
Search for 'Henry' on this forum.
You can just launch allegations when we have not even mentioned him...
Renders our side of the argument totally useless.
Pretty much. I dunno why you're bothering either.
I understand all of words that you use perfectly, esecially the long ones
Go on then - what's post hoc ergo propter hoc?
Anyway, ill be more than content to give accurate definitions of any of the words that you have used here.
See above.
And as to my point about the "totally meaningless" parts that go before hand, you have managed to misinterpretate me completely.
Misinterpretate? Do you mean misinterpret?
Well done. I dont think even you will deny that your posts are long and could be somewhat more than succint.
More than succint? Do you mean 'more succinct'?
if you made you posts far shorter and to the point, then im pretty certain youll find an obvious blunt meaning.
I don't seek to say anything obvious. You're right, I could retreat into boring football cliches and say lots of obvious things. Obvious words say obvious thing. More complex words say more complex things. It's to do with the relationship between entropy and redundancy (look up Shannon and Weaver) in a living language.
Fair play about the test. How clever are you anyway?
Ludicrously. Nonetheless, that doesn't make me right. I'm smart enough to realise that intelligence is just another tool.
Is your degree in Phsycology really useful?
I have never formally studied psychology, though I have read some of the key writers in it, mainly for laughs. My degree is a broad mix of art history, philosophy, film history, literature and several different sorts of writing course. I dunno if it's useful, but I intend to eventually get a job in news media, probably for the BBC. I can see it being very useful for that, since I'm trained in several different sorts of research methods, high and low culture, abstract theory, and lots of different styles of writing.
As it is, I stand by the impression offered by most of the Arsenal fans on this thread, that Bergkamp is the most significant foreigner in premiership history.
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park: i remember watch uts games in europe back then and eric went missing in a lot of them. He was your talisman and your creator yet too often he simply was nothing but baggage when it came to the crunch at the highest level.
I enjoyed watching him play and he was very important for the english game because he was the first quality import to make a big impact -in which was a very weak league, at the time- in english football. The premiership in 1994/5 was a poor league mainly because of the ban from euro competitions which put our style of footy far behind our euro cousins. It wasnt until the influx of forgine players that the prem became the powerhouse it is today. Man utd apart, the english teams were a joke in europe till the late 90's.
My point is that it is a lot easier to star in a sub standard league than it is in a top one and if eric had been such a world beater he would have found himself in italy during the mid 90s. He was bumbling around in france till he was 26 and in international footy he was part of a french team that failed to qualify for 2 straight tournements.
I enjoyed watching him play and he was very important for the english game because he was the first quality import to make a big impact -in which was a very weak league, at the time- in english football. The premiership in 1994/5 was a poor league mainly because of the ban from euro competitions which put our style of footy far behind our euro cousins. It wasnt until the influx of forgine players that the prem became the powerhouse it is today. Man utd apart, the english teams were a joke in europe till the late 90's.
My point is that it is a lot easier to star in a sub standard league than it is in a top one and if eric had been such a world beater he would have found himself in italy during the mid 90s. He was bumbling around in france till he was 26 and in international footy he was part of a french team that failed to qualify for 2 straight tournements.
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True, Cantona was inconsistent in Europe. Who does that remind you of?
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my bad: france did go to euro 1992. but with eric up front they failed to win a single game so they might as well have not gone.
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saintgoingmarching wrote:True, Cantona was inconsistent in Europe. Who does that remind you of?
Thierry Henry, the fourth all time top scorer in the CL?
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inter milan?
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saintgoingmarching wrote:Kevin wrote:
Ah i do love these arguments.
Ok, using my great skills in reasoning and rehetoric; you enter in a debate and actually manage to complain about the Arsenal fans before we have even mentioned Henry.
Arsenal fans never stop talking about Henry on here. On this thread - no, no Arsenal fans had launched into a whacking fest over Thierry. I don't see threads as atomised conversations, each with their own rules.
Most people wait for the original act to be done but why bother?
Search for 'Henry' on this forum.
You can just launch allegations when we have not even mentioned him...
Renders our side of the argument totally useless.
Pretty much. I dunno why you're bothering either.
I understand all of words that you use perfectly, esecially the long ones
Go on then - what's post hoc ergo propter hoc?
Anyway, ill be more than content to give accurate definitions of any of the words that you have used here.
See above.
And as to my point about the "totally meaningless" parts that go before hand, you have managed to misinterpretate me completely.
Misinterpretate? Do you mean misinterpret?
Well done. I dont think even you will deny that your posts are long and could be somewhat more than succint.
More than succint? Do you mean 'more succinct'?
if you made you posts far shorter and to the point, then im pretty certain youll find an obvious blunt meaning.
I don't seek to say anything obvious. You're right, I could retreat into boring football cliches and say lots of obvious things. Obvious words say obvious thing. More complex words say more complex things. It's to do with the relationship between entropy and redundancy (look up Shannon and Weaver) in a living language.
Fair play about the test. How clever are you anyway?
Ludicrously. Nonetheless, that doesn't make me right. I'm smart enough to realise that intelligence is just another tool.
Is your degree in Phsycology really useful?
I have never formally studied psychology, though I have read some of the key writers in it, mainly for laughs. My degree is a broad mix of art history, philosophy, film history, literature and several different sorts of writing course. I dunno if it's useful, but I intend to eventually get a job in news media, probably for the BBC. I can see it being very useful for that, since I'm trained in several different sorts of research methods, high and low culture, abstract theory, and lots of different styles of writing.
As it is, I stand by the impression offered by most of the Arsenal fans on this thread, that Bergkamp is the most significant foreigner in premiership history.
Firstly my apologies, i clearly do not care enough about this forum to correct every typo i make. Mea Culpa. Im sure the general meaning of what i wrote was perfectly decipherable. Is that spelt right. Oh well, im sure you can work the word out.
Anyway, you seem to have worked out my point so its all good.
"Search Hnery on this forum" We were talking about this thread. Yes, Arsenal fans rate him, however, i did not hear nay of us immediately championing him the greatest premiership player; thus meaning it would be unfair to criticise us for that.
Your views on Henry are meant for a different argument on a different topic.
As i siad, if you seem to be content to fabricate our argument, it renders our side of the argument pretty much useless to you as you have already answered our non existing post.
I was talking about post long, not complexity of the words used. And your posts have a pretty short meaning regardless of complex words taht are used to reach your complex conclusion.
Fair enough, i do not know the meaning of the word hoc ergo propter hoc. I was talking about words that you have actually used in context but oh well.
What university are you at?
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@ kevin
Did u really try to find meanings to those words to prove to him that u aren't stupid? just ignore him mate. or ask him a simple question in maths ( or any subject u know) which he can't answer, i guess that makes him stupid too.
Did u really try to find meanings to those words to prove to him that u aren't stupid? just ignore him mate. or ask him a simple question in maths ( or any subject u know) which he can't answer, i guess that makes him stupid too.
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Post hoc ergo propter hoc is Latin, obviously, for 'after this, therefore caused by this', or something similar. It's a logical fallacy, as identified in Nietzsche's 'The Four Great Errors'.
I'm at the University of Life. They award degrees in survival, apparently.
As to Henry - I have read a few 'greatest player in the world' type of comments here and while I'm not going to dispute such tags, the majority of arguments for that are based around stats (as they usually are for any such claim regarding any such player). It did amuse me that the response my 'tease' was looking for was found so easily, but I'm happy to drop it now and get back to the discussion that we're meant to be having.
I'm at the University of Life. They award degrees in survival, apparently.
As to Henry - I have read a few 'greatest player in the world' type of comments here and while I'm not going to dispute such tags, the majority of arguments for that are based around stats (as they usually are for any such claim regarding any such player). It did amuse me that the response my 'tease' was looking for was found so easily, but I'm happy to drop it now and get back to the discussion that we're meant to be having.
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Agooner wrote:@ kevin
Did u really try to find meanings to those words to prove to him that u aren't stupid? just ignore him mate. or ask him a simple question in maths ( or any subject u know) which he can't answer, i guess that makes him stupid too.
Do you really have nothing better to do than try to badmouth me via the internet? Strange young man...
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saintgoingmarching wrote:Post hoc ergo propter hoc is Latin, obviously, for 'after this, therefore caused by this', or something similar. It's a logical fallacy, as identified in Nietzsche's 'The Four Great Errors'.
I'm at the University of Life. They award degrees in survival, apparently.
As to Henry - I have read a few 'greatest player in the world' type of comments here and while I'm not going to dispute such tags, the majority of arguments for that are based around stats (as they usually are for any such claim regarding any such player). It did amuse me that the response my 'tease' was looking for was found so easily, but I'm happy to drop it now and get back to the discussion that we're meant to be having.
I knew what that meant. Guess five years of Latin have come in handy.
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See, this is what a civilised (i.e. bourgeois) conversation looks like. And not an Arsenal fan in sight...
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What a good and valid point.
I apologise for beign such a philistine.
I apologise for beign such a philistine.
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saintgoingmarching wrote:Agooner wrote:@ kevin
Did u really try to find meanings to those words to prove to him that u aren't stupid? just ignore him mate. or ask him a simple question in maths ( or any subject u know) which he can't answer, i guess that makes him stupid too.
Do you really have nothing better to do than try to badmouth me via the internet? Strange young man...
I have nothing against u but your constant wind ups here is what really piss me off.
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Wind ups ? ive always found saintgoingmarching to be a good poster....
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Football Genius wrote:Wind ups ? ive always found saintgoingmarching to be a good poster....
not a surprise there since he is a liverpool "suppoter"
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Agooner wrote:Football Genius wrote:Wind ups ? ive always found saintgoingmarching to be a good poster....
not a surprise there since he is a liverpool "suppoter"
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Parks Lives wrote:..to be showed on Tuesday on Sky sports 1.
Probably be Henry, even though it should be between Cantona, Bergkamp or Keane.
I don't know which player is the greatest. However, I can't think of one player meaning more to his team than Solano. When Nobby arrived in Newcastle, the Magpyes were playing in Europe. Then Robson sells him to Aston Villa, and Newcastle hit rock bottom. Souness gets Solano right back to Newcastle, and they fight for UEFA places. Now Solano's injured, hasn't played for some games, and Newcastle are shite without Nobby.
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Puro wrote:Parks Lives wrote:..to be showed on Tuesday on Sky sports 1.
Probably be Henry, even though it should be between Cantona, Bergkamp or Keane.
I don't know which player is the greatest. However, I can't think of one player meaning more to his team than Solano. When Nobby arrived in Newcastle, the Magpyes were playing in Europe. Then Robson sells him to Aston Villa, and Newcastle hit rock bottom. Souness gets Solano right back to Newcastle, and they fight for UEFA places. Now Solano's injured, hasn't played for some games, and Newcastle are shite without Nobby.
Bet that was nothing to do with the fact that he is Peruvian.
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i think solano is under rated has a brilliant shot and great technique
and has a good cross, what more do you want from a winger?
and has a good cross, what more do you want from a winger?
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Solano is quality, no doubt about that. I'd take him here at the moment.
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3rd highest amount of assists in premiership history behind Beckham and Giggs. Very classy player.
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Solano has been quality - and he produces a goal of the season contender every year. Like the one with the outside of his foot last season - can't remember who it was against.
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TeamSpirit wrote:Solano has been quality - and he produces a goal of the season contender every year. Like the one with the outside of his foot last season - can't remember who it was against.
Against Everton, wasn't even a contender for goal of the season for some reason, it was a horrible list.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3E8U_svw0Q