Premierships greatest foreign players...

Football Genius wrote:How on earth can Henry even be a candidate hes still playing for christs sake ! how can you make a judgement on a players career in the EPL untill its finished thats absolutely ludricus, so for me Henry is exempt from selection. One day maybe we can look back and call him the greatest ever import but not at the moment while hes still got many years to give us reasons as to why he is.

As for the Man Utd fans i think they have every right to be pushing either Keane,Cantona or Schmeichel, they were the driving force of a team that DOMINATED the EPL for a decade ! how abserd it would be that you cannot consider that the best players played for the best team at the time ?

borocooper wrote:
I think its just purely the fact Bergkamp was the man..he came over and changed things and was probably a more naturally gifted player than Henry.

Parks Lives wrote:

Football Genius wrote:

As for the Man Utd fans i think they have every right to be pushing either Keane,Cantona or Schmeichel, they were the driving force of a team that DOMINATED the EPL for a decade ! how abserd it would be that you cannot consider that the best players played for the best team at the time ?

Didn't want to say it myself, but well done to you.

Tweedledum wrote:

Parks Lives wrote:

Football Genius wrote:

As for the Man Utd fans i think they have every right to be pushing either Keane,Cantona or Schmeichel, they were the driving force of a team that DOMINATED the EPL for a decade ! how abserd it would be that you cannot consider that the best players played for the best team at the time ?

Didn't want to say it myself, but well done to you.

Bergkamp>Cantona

Parks Lives wrote:

110% wrote:

borocooper wrote:I would have thought it was actually Bergkamp with and without bias fans.

I consider the henry-haters as biased

For some reason the sours and man u fans don't hate bergkamp as much as henry, maybe he didn't score against their teams etc. I would consider the fact that they hate Henry so much more as an argument for him being the best player playing for the opposition.

Also the dutch posters all chose bergkamp so a little bit of bias there

It never crossed your mind that some of us see Bergkamp as a better player than Henry.

Tweedledum wrote:can I have a slice whilst I'm waiting TS?

Tweedledum wrote:

Parks Lives wrote:

Football Genius wrote:

As for the Man Utd fans i think they have every right to be pushing either Keane,Cantona or Schmeichel, they were the driving force of a team that DOMINATED the EPL for a decade ! how abserd it would be that you cannot consider that the best players played for the best team at the time ?

Didn't want to say it myself, but well done to you.

Bergkamp>Cantona

110% wrote:

Football Genius wrote:How on earth can Henry even be a candidate hes still playing for christs sake ! how can you make a judgement on a players career in the EPL untill its finished thats absolutely ludricus, so for me Henry is exempt from selection. One day maybe we can look back and call him the greatest ever import but not at the moment while hes still got many years to give us reasons as to why he is.

As for the Man Utd fans i think they have every right to be pushing either Keane,Cantona or Schmeichel, they were the driving force of a team that DOMINATED the EPL for a decade ! how abserd it would be that you cannot consider that the best players played for the best team at the time ?

Definately the best team in the 90s but we are talking about the best individual player. I think one year Ginola had an outstanding season and rightly won player of the year, but probably manu or arsenal won the league. So the best team does not always have the best player.

Keane, Cantona and Schmeichel are all up there, nobody said that they weren't (so no-one is being absurd). People are expressing their opinions about who is the best. I would even say that Schmeichel has quite clearly been the best keeper in the premiership era. But as for the best individual player that's debatable which is what this thread is doing.

Parks Lives wrote:
The year Ginola won it was the year we won the treble as well.

Tweedledum wrote:@lrd

Cantona had a bigger impact (largely down to personality though) than Bergkamp but Cantona didn't have the longevity of Bergkamp, Cantona at Leeds wasn't actually that amazing but bergkamp was class from on the moment he started to the moment he finished

Tweedledum wrote:@lrd

Cantona had a bigger impact (largely down to personality though) than Bergkamp but Cantona didn't have the longevity of Bergkamp, Cantona at Leeds wasn't actually that amazing but bergkamp was class from on the moment he started to the moment he finished

TeamSpirit wrote:

Parks Lives wrote:
The year Ginola won it was the year we won the treble as well.

Ah but Daveeeed was ridiculously good that season:

This is just the tip of the iceberg:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r_sk1eVUqg

He had to play with Justin Edinburgh and Ramon Vega FFS.

Tweedledum wrote:But Cantona only played in half of the EPL seasons Parky

TeamSpirit™ wrote:If we want to go with year in, year out consistency & production - then Fine Henry wins it hands down.

But, as 110% is dissmissing, I do believe in the trailblazing theory - I have the utmost respect that brought our league out of the doldrums, helped us be competitive in European competition again and so forth.

The signing of Bergkamp represented a change of tradition at Arsenal.

Likewise Cantona at Man Utd, Zola & Chelsea & we were watching players who were on another planet for natural talent.
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Why I rate Kilinnsmann ahead of Kanchelskis, Overmars & Petit is simple; he damn near got a team that should have been outside the top 10 into 7th place by himself... Sheringham was the only other good weapon we had. Anderton was always injured and the defence was $hit. Plus, thanks to those 2, we got to an FA Cup Semi...

Kanchelskis & Overmars v- whilst great wingers, were never the no.1 players at their clubs - and as such, I believe they were under relatively less pressure to deliver the goods.

TeamSpirit wrote:Or maybe Ginola was really the most Valuable player.

We would've been in serious trouble without him that season - that I'm sure off.

Man Utd did win the CL Final despite not having Keane & Scholes, so that tells you something about their depth.

Tweedledum wrote:@lrd

Cantona had a bigger impact (largely down to personality though) than Bergkamp but Cantona didn't have the longevity of Bergkamp, Cantona at Leeds wasn't actually that amazing but bergkamp was class from on the moment he started to the moment he finished

TeamSpirit™ wrote:

Man Utd did win the CL Final despite not having Keane & Scholes, so that tells you something about their depth.

1990s

* 1990:England David Platt, (Aston Villa)
* 1991:Wales Mark Hughes, (Manchester United)
* 1992:England Gary Pallister, (Manchester United)
* 1993:Republic of Ireland Paul McGrath, (Aston Villa)
* 1994:France Eric Cantona, (Manchester United)
* 1995:England Alan Shearer, (Blackburn Rovers)
* 1996:England Les Ferdinand, (Newcastle United)
* 1997:England Alan Shearer, (Newcastle United)
* 1998:Netherlands Dennis Bergkamp, (Arsenal)
* 1999:France David Ginola, (Tottenham Hotspur)


2000s

* 2000:Republic of Ireland Roy Keane, (Manchester United)
* 2001:England Teddy Sheringham, (Manchester United)
* 2002:Netherlands Ruud van Nistelrooy, (Manchester United)
* 2003:France Thierry Henry, (Arsenal)
* 2004:France Thierry Henry, (Arsenal)
* 2005:England John Terry, (Chelsea)
* 2006:England Steven Gerrard, (Liverpool)

# 1990:England John Barnes (Liverpool)
# 1991:Scotland Gordon Strachan (Leeds United)
# 1992:England Gary Lineker (Tottenham Hotspur)
# 1993:England Chris Waddle (Sheffield Wednesday)
# 1994:England Alan Shearer (Blackburn)
# 1995:Germany Jürgen Klinsmann (Tottenham Hotspur)
# 1996:France Eric Cantona (Manchester United)
# 1997:Italy Gianfranco Zola (Chelsea)
# 1998:Netherlands Dennis Bergkamp (Arsenal)
# 1999:France David Ginola (Tottenham Hotspur)
# 2000:Republic of Ireland Roy Keane (Manchester United)
# 2001:England Teddy Sheringham (Manchester United)
# 2002:France Robert Pirès (Arsenal)
# 2003:France Thierry Henry (Arsenal)
# 2004:France Thierry Henry (Arsenal)
# 2005:England Frank Lampard (Chelsea)
# 2006:France Thierry Henry (Arsenal)

Football Genius wrote:

TeamSpirit wrote:Or maybe Ginola was really the most Valuable player.

We would've been in serious trouble without him that season - that I'm sure off.

Man Utd did win the CL Final despite not having Keane & Scholes, so that tells you something about their depth.

Its alot easier for quality to stand out amongst poorer players, than it is for quality to stand our amongst quality.

Im guessing the Keane Scholes quote is supposed to counter my arguement that the best teams invariably have the best players, firstly that was a knockout competition, a one off and any Manc will tell you that Utd didn't play particulary well that night but got what seemed to be fate on their side. Not to mention they had good strength in depth yes, depth is important to cover your first 11 but depth is useless unless there is real quality in there