England U21 V Germany U21, the prematch slander

Ballmädchen wrote:Congrats to the Englanders, it was a very diappointing and weak performance by the Germans and the defeat was absolutely deserved.

Thank god, we only lost 1:0.
Nothing is lost yet, however I hope we will see a better performance in Leverkusen but it's going to be very tough now!

@ my German fellows
Is it true that a German U21 could never win against an English U21 team in the past?
Naja, irgendwann ist immer das erste Mal!!!

PS Great goal by Baines

Welcome to these boards, apparently Germany have not beaten England at this level for 19 years. Im sure the game in Leverkusen will be much tougher - the scoreline of onlt 1-0 means Germany are well in it, despite the fact they should have been beaten at least 2 or 3-0. This will give your side much hope

Does the away goal rule count?

Parks Lives wrote:Does the away goal rule count?

Good point - Im pretty certain it does

Hope it does. If we score one, they'll have to score 3.

The the away goal rule counts indeed, unfortunately.

The Real White Pele wrote:...apparently Germany have not beaten England at this level for 19 years.

It's time then, this series finally comes to an end.

That is a good record by the English. I wish we could have a practice match against your youth team. We are in need of some proper competition

Fey wrote:That is a good record by the English. I wish we could have a practice match against your youth team. We are in need of some proper competition

No worry Fey, we'll give you proper competition next year...

Chrissi, I'm sure we will, BUT there are those young Roast-beef-and-Yorkshire-pudding eating guys from a remote island who don't want that WE play against our beloved neighbours, so before we can help those World Champions in Female Hockey to get a proper competition, we have to show those Englanders who's the boss.

You know, always one step after another

Ballmädchen wrote:Chrissi, I'm sure we will, BUT there are those young Roast-beef-and-Yorkshire-pudding eating guys from a remote island who don't want that WE play against our beloved neighbours, so before we can help those World Champions in Female Hockey to get a proper competition, we have to show those Englanders who's the boss.

You know, always one step after another

Excellent stuff!

Pulling Trochowski and Fathi out of the team to play in the first team cost the U21's dearly. That and the fact that they didn't show up. Apart from Rensing who was superb.

Tuesday will be interesting.

Isar Truppe wrote:Pulling Trochowski and Fathi out of the team to play in the first team cost the U21's dearly.

You're right with regard to Trochowski, but Fathi's U21 time did end in May with the U21 EC. Only players who are born on 1.1.1984 or later can still play in the U21...

Pulling Trochowski and Fathi out of the team to play in the first team cost the U21's dearly.

Basically I agree with you on the Trochowski issue because he will probably not even play against Slovakia so he could help the U21 against England a lot more than the A-NT by keeping their bench warm.

But on Friday the whole team (apart from Rensing) have played weak and uninspired and I doubt Trochowski would have made a difference.
I don't know, maybe they don't like the English weather, meal or whatsoever that would or could explain this performance but I hope (and I'm sure ) they will do better tomorrow without so many misplaced and aimless passes, with more tempo, a better tactic and please no Ochs as LB!

Ballmädchen wrote:

Pulling Trochowski and Fathi out of the team to play in the first team cost the U21's dearly.

Basically I agree with you on the Trochowski issue because he will probably not even play against Slovakia so he could help the U21 against England a lot more than the A-NT by keeping their bench warm.

But on Friday the whole team (apart from Rensing) have played weak and uninspired and I doubt Trochowski would have made a difference.
I don't know, maybe they don't like the English weather, meal or whatsoever that would or could explain this performance but I hope (and I'm sure ) they will do better tomorrow without so many misplaced and aimless passes, with more tempo, a better tactic and please no Ochs as LB!

Please be aware that England are also missing a number of eligible U21's playing for the national team or who are injured.

For example, Darren Bent (2nd top scorer in the league) is drafted into the national squad, Aaron Lennon is injured, as is Dean Ashton, all capable of playing in the U21's.

The English got the tactics spot on - the 4-3-3 with Routledge and Walcott's pace was excellent masterstroke by Taylor (shame the senior team were not so dynamic!) - Routledge totally destroyed Ochs on the right.

If Germany are to progress, which at the halfway stage they certainly dont deserve to (even our German frineds will agree Im sure), then you will need Ochs either to be replaced or play like a professional, because Routledge is a talented player and will have another field day if not

All we need is one early goal. Then we can play on the counter attack.

Looking forward to this now.

Parks Lives wrote:All we need is one early goal. Then we can play on the counter attack.

Looking forward to this now.

England U21 V Germany U21 was far more of a spectacle than the Macedonia game. At this level there is far more naivety and players seem to play with less pressure, so quite often the games are more open and exciting. And at the moment the English side has some quick and exciting players. The Germans are no mugs either - Kiessling, Boateng, Polanski, that Spanish one (!), all likely to go on and become very good players. I'll be watching this one too - bet its again better than the Croatia game!

Should be a good game and great experience for both sets of youngsters.

Fact that I found interesting was that, apparently, the entire German midfield in the first game could have represented other countries:

Hunt could have represented England, Polanski Poland, Boateng Ghana and Castro Spain.

This is quite impressive multiculturalism

The Real White Pele wrote:Fact that I found interesting was that, apparently, the entire German midfield in the first game could have represented other countries:

Hunt could have represented England, Polanski Poland, Boateng Ghana and Castro Spain.

This is quite impressive multiculturalism

Apart from the midfield also Tasci Turkiye, Matip Cameroon, Gomez Spain...

chrissicross wrote:

The Real White Pele wrote:Fact that I found interesting was that, apparently, the entire German midfield in the first game could have represented other countries:

Hunt could have represented England, Polanski Poland, Boateng Ghana and Castro Spain.

This is quite impressive multiculturalism

Apart from the midfield also Tasci Turkiye, Matip Cameroon, Gomez Spain...

Yes, but will these players posses the Mighty Teamgeist gene? Or are they just in it as a poor alternative..

Walcott's benched.

Gabby "pace merchant" Agbonalahor starts.

Obispo wrote:Walcott's benched.

Gabby "pace merchant" Agbonalahor starts.

Pot. Kettle. Bl...

W. Routledge - he's a special one.

Agbonalahor is for Routledge
Young in for Theo

TeamSpirit wrote:
W. Routledge - he's a special one.

He's also benched

Obispo wrote:

TeamSpirit wrote:
W. Routledge - he's a special one.

He's also benched

Poor.

Still, there's the UNIT

OMG Polanski as centre-back???

Sending off already....Germnay down to 10...

a german missed a penalty

Unsurprising that the worst player on the pitch in the last leg gave away a penalty in this. The Geordie passengers are doing sweet FA yet again.

What a bollocks penalty, the Jarmans have spent the whole half diving in the box.

Stevie Taylor's playing well again, looks like he's getting back to match fit.