Scholes or Gerrard (at their peaks)

TeamSpirit wrote:

*Don't see why I'm under such scrutiny

Because you were nasty to big Sami

Obispo wrote:

TeamSpirit wrote:

*Don't see why I'm under such scrutiny

Because you were nasty to big Sami

When?

I never mentioned him in the fraudulent list

I always say he's one of the top 5 EPL CB's of all time - and that he's had a huge hand in helping Carragher develop into a competant CB at the highest level.

I've only said what you have said all season - which is, he's past it.

4. Sami Hyypia OUT

5. Daniel Agger IN

Didn't realise that you'd get so offended by that

TeamSpirit wrote:

Obispo wrote:

TeamSpirit wrote:

*Don't see why I'm under such scrutiny

Because you were nasty to big Sami

When?

I never mentioned him in the fraudulent list

I always say he's one of the top 5 EPL CB's of all time - and that he's had a huge hand in helping Carragher develop into a competant CB at the highest level.

I've only said what you have said all season - which is, he's past it.

4. Sami Hyypia OUT

5. Daniel Agger IN

Didn't realise that you'd get so offended by that

You lumped him in the same category as Terry! You know how offensive that is.

You wouldn't want me comparing Flamini to Mauro Silva, would you?

COTR wrote: people on here take an idealistic view of how the game should be played. the reality is often very different. whether it is T/S with his views on terry based purely on terry not being as atheltic as other defenders to pierre constantly slating ashley cole despite ronaldo claiming he is the toughest opponent he has come up against. only by playing against these players can you REALLY tell how good they are

Doesn't everyone have an idealistic view about the way the game should be played. It would be pretty hard not to since the reason they practice is to strive that that ideal no?

COTR wrote:on the spot questions straight after a game. Don't really see how this is relevent

I believe the relevancy in this lies in the fact that if players were rather insightfull and knew much about the game they wouldn't be saying the same old shit that they heard from other past players.

COTR wrote:and im sure u have read many other or seen examples of many other forms of media that would suggest evidence to the contrary for example soccer am, soccer sunday, interviews on revista with cesc, reyes etc. I would be willing to put a lot of money on it that most players watch most games or highlights at some stage during their week

No way to really prove this since we can't straw poll the majority of the players, oh and watching games is far different from watching highlights. They may watch highlights but that doesn't really let you know the subleties of that particular game.

COTR wrote:is this any different from this poll. popularity arises for a reason after all

Indeed but in this area I can pick and choose which views to read and which to disregard because I can see obvious bias about x player from x members of this board.

Obispo wrote:

You lumped him in the same category as Terry! You know how offensive that is.

You wouldn't want me comparing Flamini to Mauro Silva, would you?

If I gave that Impression, then I apologise. That was unforgiveable.

Please don't compare the New Grimandi to the greatest DMF of the last 15 years.

Exert from Gerrard's book.


After being called up for the national team, I was talking with Michael Owen. Michael told me "Just wait till you see Scholes train", "you won't believe how good he is".
"I know he's a very good player but I've seen him play before". Michael just smiled as if to say you'll see.

Watching him train though was like something else, the way he strikes the ball was unbelievable.

"I just thought, how could I ever get to that level"

was that when he was about 20 that he said that though?

Tinseldum wrote:was that when he was about 20 that he said that though?

20/21 yes.

Little did he know at the time he would go on to surpass it.

Snowbispo wrote:Little did he know at the time he would go on to surpass it.

hmm, Stevie is far more explosive that Scholes ever was/will be, but Scholes for me is the better footballer, hes been in my opinion the best british footballer now for around 8 years. I see him as our equivilant to Deco minus the diving

hmm thats hard, i vote for ballack

no serious

scholes by a mile

Scholes for me.
very biased I know.

Even at 33.

Spurs Medical Centre wrote:

Obispo wrote:

You lumped him in the same category as Terry! You know how offensive that is.

You wouldn't want me comparing Flamini to Mauro Silva, would you?

If I gave that Impression, then I apologise. That was unforgiveable.

Please don't compare the New Grimandi to the greatest DMF of the last 15 years.

Gooners, I apologise.

I go for Stevie.

Both are great players.Just Stevie scores goals when it matters and seems a better leader.

i'll always remember when Scholes in WC 1998 missed this easy goals at 2-1 for England..Then the argies scored the tricky free kick ect ect...

People insulted Beckham for this defeat but Scholes missed an easy goal too.

Spurs Medical Centre wrote:

Spurs Medical Centre wrote:

Obispo wrote:

You lumped him in the same category as Terry! You know how offensive that is.

You wouldn't want me comparing Flamini to Mauro Silva, would you?

If I gave that Impression, then I apologise. That was unforgiveable.

Please don't compare the New Grimandi to the greatest DMF of the last 15 years.

Gooners, I apologise.

Very sporting of you!

I was just thinking "hahaha" when I read that comparison.

Arnaud is joking right?

Allez les rouges wrote:

Spurs Medical Centre wrote:

Spurs Medical Centre wrote:

Obispo wrote:

You lumped him in the same category as Terry! You know how offensive that is.

You wouldn't want me comparing Flamini to Mauro Silva, would you?

If I gave that Impression, then I apologise. That was unforgiveable.

Please don't compare the New Grimandi to the greatest DMF of the last 15 years.

Gooners, I apologise.

Very sporting of you!

I was just thinking "hahaha" when I read that comparison.

Arnaud is joking right?

i remember he missed an easy goal...Can try to find it on youtube.

In terms of technical class and footballing brain (and international record), it has to be Scholes though. To be fair Gerrard has a few factors on his side as well.

Allez les rouges wrote:In terms of technical class and footballing brain (and international record), it has to be Scholes though. To be fair Gerrard has a few factors on his side as well.

really?

Scholes: Apps 66 goals 14
Gerrard: Apps 63 goals 12

Sod all difference to be honest. Neither have been anything like as good for England as they have for their clubs.

Scholes has Argentina 2002, Gerrard has Germany 2001.

Spurs Medical Centre™ wrote:Scholes has Argentina 2002, Gerrard has Germany 2001.

& his double vs Scotland in the Battle of Britain.

but it's not just about goals, it's about all-round performances – Gerrard often scores when he's still playing $h!t.

Murray wrote:Scholes.

Gerrard is a headless chicken. Both are overrated though.

Surely Scholes was one of the most underrated midfielders in Europe throughout his career?

By the way,

not been bothered to read through every post,

but it must be said that for all of Scholes' ability to maintain the ball, vision and ability,

his tackling is so very very bad that I'd be inclined to say that Gerrard's overall game is better - he is a monster at tackling,

literally every player who plays against Liverpool or joins Liverpool says that Gerrard is one of, if not the best, players they have ever played with. Presumably an ode to the amount of energy he expends in the centre of the park driving things forward.

Scholes is more my kind of player, but there is certainly a real negative feeling surrounding Stevie G on here recently which is probably over the top

Senor Woody wrote:
literally every player who plays against Liverpool or joins Liverpool says that Gerrard is one of, if not the best, players they have ever played with. Presumably an ode to the amount of energy he expends in the centre of the park driving things forward.

What a coincidence, the same is said about Scholes too.

Parks lives wrote:

Senor Woody wrote:
literally every player who plays against Liverpool or joins Liverpool says that Gerrard is one of, if not the best, players they have ever played with. Presumably an ode to the amount of energy he expends in the centre of the park driving things forward.

What a coincidence, the same is said about Scholes too.

True. I remember Zidane prior to the game in 2004 saying in a press conference that Scholes was England's key man when all the press were asking him what he thought about beckham, Owen etc. Reckoned he was one of the finest midfielders in Europe at the time.

I dont think Scholes ever got voted into the top 10 players in Europe/World when they did those FIFA UEFA player of the year farces. Hence why he is probably one of the most underrated players in recent years, English ones in particular. Alongside Teddy Sheringham.

Thats the "problem" being Ginger, and not having an agent