TV Deals

Can someone help me : we're comparing spending powerof some clubs in the Bayern Thread....but I cannot find the right figures.


Does anyone have figures concerning the best earning clubs in Europe, biggets budgets but most important of all what clubs across Europe get for the television rights of their national league ?

For example : I read somewhere Real Madrid were on 55M per year until now, they'll get 114M per year starting next year.

In comparison : the entire Eredivisie gets 70M per year for all clubs.

(we're especially curious how big the gap is between Holland and Germany and between Germany and Spain)

Off the top of my head: Premiership gets a billion or so (shared) over 4 years from Sky...in La Liga each club negotiates it individually, and RM/Barca both got approx. 1 billion over 7 years.

@ Axe
Is it right that the highlights package in Holland is worth more than the live games?

Samba De Baiano wrote:@ Axe
Is it right that the highlights package in Holland is worth more than the live games?

I don´t know to be honest....but it well could be.

Traditionally we´re not used to live games on tele, everyone just watched the highlights on public tv (like MOTD but at a better time : sunday at 19:00).

Now you can get a very expensive subscription to watch live games, but not many people are bothered (at least that's my experience), the highlights however still reach a massive audience.

John de Mol (cofounder of the notorious Endemol) started a new station and needed the highlights to make people tune in to his station....so he paid the jackpot (for Dutch standards).

Germany four years 420 million. But that's for two divisions, 36 teams.

I think it's two years 420 million Euros Effenberg.

Sure? Maybe it's three?

Sorry, it's 420 million Euros a year even, 1.26 billion Euros over three years.

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Das Gesamtvolumen der Übertragungsrechte, die eine Laufzeit von Juli 2006 bis Juli 2009 haben, beläuft sich auf 1,26 Milliarden Euro, pro Saison sind 420 Millionen Euro fällig. Auf Arena kommen Kosten von jährlich rund 240 Millionen Euro zu. Die ARD, die bislang 60 Millionen Euro zahlte, hatte ihr Angebot auf rund 80 Millionen aufgestockt. Die Restsumme setzt sich aus kleineren Posten zusammen. Arena will künftig die Pay-TV-Angebote zur Bundesliga auch über Satellit ausstrahlen, dies war eine der Vertragsvoraussetzungen.

Right. Example if Bayern are first after every match day they'd get 23.3 million plus 4 million bonus for the championship.

kasnani wrote:Off the top of my head: Premiership gets a billion or so (shared) over 4 years from Sky...in La Liga each club negotiates it individually, and RM/Barca both got approx. 1 billion over 7 years.

Spain/Italy need to change to collective deals ASAP for the sake of the rest of Europe. If there income is so much higher per year than the top English clubs they'll start to have serious interest in seperate television deals. And once that happens, the same will continue throughout Europe.

Controversy wrote:

kasnani wrote:Off the top of my head: Premiership gets a billion or so (shared) over 4 years from Sky...in La Liga each club negotiates it individually, and RM/Barca both got approx. 1 billion over 7 years.

Spain/Italy need to change to collective deals ASAP for the sake of the rest of Europe. If there income is so much higher per year than the top English clubs they'll start to have serious interest in seperate television deals. And once that happens, the same will continue throughout Europe.

You lot still have much more money than we do.. Clubs like Tottenham and Newcastle spend more on transfers than Barcelona..

I am happy with collective tv deals , else if us , Liverpool ,Chelsea and Arsenal are allowed to do individual deals that means more money for these 4 clubs but it would also means less money for other teams in the league.

If you can read and understand German, the following article about the finances of the 5 big European leagues should be of interest. Found it in a German forum.


http://www.reviersport.de/sportinfos/news.php?idNews=103397&return=sportinfos%2Fwochenueberblick_revier.php%3Fp%3D0


It basically says that the Bundesliga as a whole generates the second highest turn overs in Europe (~1.35 billion Euros), after the EPL (~2 billion Euros), taking away the second spot from the Serie A this year (~1.2 billion Euros), the scandal and the Turin situation being the main reasons for that.

As far as sponsoring is concerned, the Bundesliga makes more than twice as much money (~350 million Euros) as the EPL (165 million Euros) even, the second best league in sponsoring.


Summary of the facts:

Total turn overs:

1. Premiership 2.00 bn Euros
2. Bundesliga 1.35 bn Euros
3. Serie A 1.20 bn Euros


Sponsoring:

1. Bundesliga 350 million Euros
2. Premiership 165 million Euros
3. Serie A 150 million Euros


Merchandising:

1. Premiership 340 million Euros
2. Bundesliga 310 million Euros
3. La Liga 230 million Euros
4. Serie A 160 million Euros


Ticket sales:

1. Premiership 620 million Euros
2. La Liga 290 million Euros
3. Bundesliga 230 million Euros
4. Ligue 1 130 million Euros
5. Serie A 120 million Euros


TV revenues:

1. Ligue 1 597 million Euros
2. Premiership 560 million Euros
3. Serie A 480 million Euros
4. Bundesliga 417 million Euros


As far as the TV revenue numbers are concerned, I don't know if the differences between the leagues (central marketing vs. individual marketing of the TV rights) have been considered. It strikes me odd that the Premiership does not have the highest revenues in this respect, and clubs like Barca and Real have made new deals that will give them enormous amounts of cash to play with in the next few years.


Conclusion: The Bundesliga as a whole is one of the financially most healthy and richest leagues in the world. I read in another article that only the EPL and the Bundesliga are profitable (as a whole). So if you look at the league as a whole, the financial argument really can't excuse the relatively poor results in the last few years.

BUT

The difference to the "big three" leagues is that we only have one (overly) dominant club that is traditionally very competitive in Europe. With the exception of Bayern, the Bundesliga is the most even league there is, both in the financial and sporting sense. The league is more even than ever this year, for example, with quite a few clubs having a realistic chance to win the championship, and mighty Bayern struggling to regain their usual dominance.

As a whole, the Bundesliga is highly competitive financially. But at the top, the gap to the other European top clubs is widening, mainly due to the (often individually marketed) TV revenues.
What the Bundesliga needs foremost are more teams that really establish themselves at the top, just like in the big three leagues. We need more elite clubs. Bayern alone, who have been far less successful on the European stage in the last few years, for various reasons, can't and will not bring us back to the top.

Nice work Blut , good one.

To put it simply a mid table club for eg is in better financial position in the EPL or in the Bundesliga then in Serie A or La Liga when it comes to money from tv deals.

Was a couple of years ago that i read this but in italy they have individual deals and at that time Juve, Inter, Milan, Roma all had about 60M a year from TV deals, some like Lazio had 30M, and the majority were negotiating to get up to 10M. In the end they only got that because the smaller clubs negotiated that collectively.

The article was very good in explaining that football might be a business but it is different from most businesses as it requires that your competitors do well. It is the competition itself that is the product that generates interest and income.