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Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
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Which team will be more successful this season?
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Total Votes: 84
youonlycametooseeeboue- Number of posts : 932
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by youonlycametooseeeboue Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:45 pm
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by A & K Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:27 am
This year Arsenal>>>>> Liverpool. End of story
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by A & K Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:50 am
... but Liverpool might finish ahead of us in the league 
but it will be tight, it all depends who can be the most consistant.
However we have been better playing better against the big 6 (Man U, Chelsea, Porthmouth, Bolton) and worst against other teams.
Chelsea 1-0 Liverpool
Manchester United 0-1 Arsenal
Bolton Wanderers 2-0 Liverpool
Manchester United 2-0 Liverpool
Arsenal 3-0 Liverpool
Bolton Wanderers 3-1 Arsenal
Liverpool 0-0 Portsmouth
Chelsea 1-1 Arsenal
Arsenal 2-2 Portsmouth
Liverpool 3-0 Bolton Wanderers
Liverpool: 6 games : 1 v 1d 4d
Arsenal": 5 games" 2V 2 d 1 d
but it will be tight, it all depends who can be the most consistant.However we have been better playing better against the big 6 (Man U, Chelsea, Porthmouth, Bolton) and worst against other teams.
Chelsea 1-0 Liverpool
Manchester United 0-1 Arsenal
Bolton Wanderers 2-0 Liverpool
Manchester United 2-0 Liverpool
Arsenal 3-0 Liverpool
Bolton Wanderers 3-1 Arsenal
Liverpool 0-0 Portsmouth
Chelsea 1-1 Arsenal
Arsenal 2-2 Portsmouth
Liverpool 3-0 Bolton Wanderers
Liverpool: 6 games : 1 v 1d 4d
Arsenal": 5 games" 2V 2 d 1 d
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by L r d Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:35 pm
If we finish ahead of you that usually means we're a better team (unless of course we're left with nothing but the league to concentrate on having failed to make it past the CL group stages 
).
In the 80s United would regularly beat Liverpool but finish behind them in the league. Under Houllier we had the meassure of United for a while but, bar a one off season, we weren't even close to them in the league.
). In the 80s United would regularly beat Liverpool but finish behind them in the league. Under Houllier we had the meassure of United for a while but, bar a one off season, we weren't even close to them in the league.
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by "Tuffy" Monag Mon Jan 08, 2007 12:46 pm
The better team will finish higher in the table, but, that doesn't equate with having the better season. Lverpools best season in recent years was when they won the champions League, yet, they only could finish 5th.
Better seasons go beyond more points, it means more trophies aswell.
Better seasons go beyond more points, it means more trophies aswell.
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by L r d Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:21 pm
Some funny comments, Last year liverpool finished way ahead of arsenal on points, the year before the other way around. this year even in the league almost, with 3-0 1-3 both to arsenal, it is clear who is ahead right now. Things can change but liverpool need better players, only two i would say could be called world class. arsenal have rvp cesc henry gallas etc all who could be.
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by Roger Hunt Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:39 pm
L r d wrote: this year even in the league almost, with 3-0 1-3 both to arsenal, it is clear who is ahead right now
? The pools panel have already sat on the 31 March game then?
L r d wrote: liverpool need better players, only two i would say could be called world class. arsenal have rvp cesc henry gallas etc all who could be.
Typical Man U fan comment. It's not the best 11 individuals, it's the best team.
It'll be close between Liverpool and Arsenal at the end still.
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by Parks lives Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:41 pm
Liverpool and Arsenal fans may be interested in these ratings.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2007010077,00.html
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2007010077,00.html
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Arsenal have better players and have finished above liverpool bar one season in around 10 years. Arsenal can compete well with the top teams, were as Liverpool cant and now that Henry is back (the master of crushing small teams) I expect them to finish above them in the league.
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by L r d Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:55 pm
Rez wrote:Arsenal have better players and have finished above liverpool bar one season in around 10 years.
Completely irrelevent as our team from 10 years ago is nothing like our team now. Neither is Arsenals for that matter, though atleast they still have the same coach.
Arsenal can compete well with the top teams, were as Liverpool cant
Last season in the league they only beat ourselves at home (and vice versa with us). This season they've done well in the big games but have failed to beat the small teams. Do I really need to reel off a list of the top teams we've beaten under our current manager? I don't think I do and even if I did it would be irrelevent because Houllier's record against the big teams was quality in his first 3 seasons but it didn't stop us being rubbish.
I know this thread is now the perfect place for you mancs to get in your cheap digs, given that you just manage to take apart a team that hadn't won in 9 games... in injury time. But let's not go overboard with baseless statements eh.
One man team and even then you need to add on injury time until you're winning.
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by Parks lives Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:05 pm
Fucking hell, hard times mate?
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Parks lives wrote:Liverpool and Arsenal fans may be interested in these ratings.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2007010077,00.html
Liverpool
Jerzy Dudek 5 4
Steve Finnan 6
Jamie Carragher 7 6
Daniel Agger 5 6
John Arne Riise 4
Jermaine Pennant 6
Steven Gerrard 7
Xabi Alonso 6
Luis Garcia 6 5.5
Peter Crouch 7 6
Dirk Kuyt 7 Would have gotten 6.5 if not for the goal
SUBS:
Aurelio (for Riise, 58 min) 7.
Not used: Reina, Hyypia, Gonzalez, Bellamy.
Arsenal
Manuel Almunia 6 7.5
Emmanuel Eboue 6 5
Kolo Toure 7
Philippe Senderos 7
Gael Clichy 6
Alexsandr Hleb 7
Mathieu Flamini 7
Gilberto Silva 8 7
DREAM TEAM STAR MAN - Tomas Rosicky 9 8.5
Robin Van Persie 7 6
Thierry Henry 7 6.5
SUBS:
Hoyte (for Eboue, 66 min) 6, Baptista (for Van Persie, 70) 5 3, Walcott (for Henry, 87) 5.
Not used: Poom, Djourou.
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by L r d Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:21 pm
Roger_Hunt wrote:L r d wrote: this year even in the league almost, with 3-0 1-3 both to arsenal, it is clear who is ahead right now
? The pools panel have already sat on the 31 March game then?
L r d wrote: liverpool need better players, only two i would say could be called world class. arsenal have rvp cesc henry gallas etc all who could be.
Typical Man U fan comment. It's not the best 11 individuals, it's the best team.
It'll be close between Liverpool and Arsenal at the end still.
The way in which you lost 3-0, was outclassed, it was a big difference in class. the 1-3 obviously i meant the f.a cup match, losing at anfield to the same team who beat you 3-0 away from home, surely you cannot say we are far better than them. In the league it is very close, but arsenal have been without there best player for most of the season. Arsenal have better players, and in the end no matter how good the manager it will show. if alves is there not finnan, simao not pennant etc then the team looks much stronger, but you sign average instead of top class.
Bellamy is no better than cisse. pennant is average. not enough top top players. arsenal have these. next year when i think about the title race, unless liverpool sign people cannot see them in with a chance. but arsenal will have top players toure gallas cesc rvp walcott henry adebayor. liverpool gerrard alonso possibly kuyt....agger also is a possible one.
It's just the reality imo.
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by L r d Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:23 pm
Walcott is a top player? 
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by Saintsar Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:28 pm
Obispo wrote:Walcott is a top player?
Further away than Pennant - at least Pennant can cross the ball.
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by Luis Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:31 pm
this is so pointless,
'our club is better than yours because we knocked you out the cup, ye but we're ahead of you in the league'
It's like 2 brainless children argueing in the playground
shame on you all...
'our club is better than yours because we knocked you out the cup, ye but we're ahead of you in the league'
It's like 2 brainless children argueing in the playground
shame on you all...
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by The Pröfessör Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:34 pm
We are better than pool.
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by Luis Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:35 pm
Agooner wrote:We are better than Blackpool.
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by L r d Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:36 pm
SGM wrote:Obispo wrote:Walcott is a top player?
Further away than Pennant - at least Pennant can cross the ball.
walcott will be a top player in the coming seasons, there is no doubt about it, this season maybe not just yet. would prefer him to pennant even this season however. much better impact sub.
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by The Pröfessör Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:36 pm
Obispo wrote:Walcott is a top player?
pennant is virtually a starter for u guys, walcott isn't for us.
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by L r d Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:38 pm
Agooner wrote:Obispo wrote:Walcott is a top player?
pennant is virtually a starter for u guys, walcott isn't for us.
Do you see me calling Pennant a top player? And he's virtually a start down to injuries.
It's like me saying Djorou is virtually a starter for your lot
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by Luis Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:38 pm
L r d wrote:SGM wrote:Obispo wrote:Walcott is a top player?
Further away than Pennant - at least Pennant can cross the ball.
walcott will be a top player in the coming seasons, there is no doubt about it, this season maybe not just yet. would prefer him to pennant even this season however. much better impact sub.
1) how many times have you seen Pennant come off the becnh this season?
2) obviously Walcott will look like the better 'impact sub' if he scores, hes a striker so he has more of a chance
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by L r d Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:41 pm
Luis wrote:L r d wrote:SGM wrote:Obispo wrote:Walcott is a top player?
Further away than Pennant - at least Pennant can cross the ball.
walcott will be a top player in the coming seasons, there is no doubt about it, this season maybe not just yet. would prefer him to pennant even this season however. much better impact sub.
1) how many times have you seen Pennant come off the becnh this season?
2) obviously Walcott will look like the better 'impact sub' if he scores, hes a striker so he has more of a chance
He has not been playing as a striker. from what i have seen, on the left or the right. I seen him come off the bench and change a game a few times this season. Pennant come on he just is not going to do that
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by Luis Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:43 pm
L r d wrote:Luis wrote:L r d wrote:SGM wrote:Obispo wrote:Walcott is a top player?
Further away than Pennant - at least Pennant can cross the ball.
walcott will be a top player in the coming seasons, there is no doubt about it, this season maybe not just yet. would prefer him to pennant even this season however. much better impact sub.
1) how many times have you seen Pennant come off the becnh this season?
2) obviously Walcott will look like the better 'impact sub' if he scores, hes a striker so he has more of a chance
He has not been playing as a striker. from what i have seen, on the left or the right. I seen him come off the bench and change a game a few times this season. Pennant come on he just is not going to do that
what?
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by L r d Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:46 pm
Nevermind, bottom line, walcott will be a top player. pennant is an average to good player, good crosses not much else. Liverpool have to sign top players if they want to win the premiership, and they are not doing that. When we Man Utd did that, we were a mess also. signed djemba kleberson howard etc all in one season, all average, and won next to nothing due to this.
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by poiuy1 Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:47 pm
Obispo wrote:Rez wrote:Arsenal have better players and have finished above liverpool bar one season in around 10 years.
Completely irrelevent as our team from 10 years ago is nothing like our team now. Neither is Arsenals for that matter, though atleast they still have the same coach.
Arsenal can compete well with the top teams, were as Liverpool cant
Last season in the league they only beat ourselves at home (and vice versa with us). This season they've done well in the big games but have failed to beat the small teams. Do I really need to reel off a list of the top teams we've beaten under our current manager? I don't think I do and even if I did it would be irrelevent because Houllier's record against the big teams was quality in his first 3 seasons but it didn't stop us being rubbish.
I know this thread is now the perfect place for you mancs to get in your cheap digs, given that you just manage to take apart a team that hadn't won in 9 games... in injury time. But let's not go overboard with baseless statements eh.
One man team and even then you need to add on injury time until you're winning.
Wasn't this thrown at liverpool last season
This season has not been his best hence Liverpool way off the pace and out of the Fa cup
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by Luis Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:48 pm
L r d wrote:Nevermind, bottom line, walcott will be a top player. pennant is an average to good player, good crosses not much else. Liverpool have to sign top players if they want to win the premiership, and they are not doing that. When we Man Utd did that, we were a mess also. signed djemba kleberson howard etc all in one season, all average, and won next to nothing due to this.
you can predict the future can you?
We have signed quality in Kuyt and Bellamy
the difference is we actualy do win cups even when we have 'average to good players' see our CL win over Milan, Djimi Traore started, enough said
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by L r d Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:53 pm
Pennant never will be a top player, you're right about that. He's a squad player that offers something different though. The fact is that ugly as it may be, sometimes crosses into Crouch are more effective than trying to play through the middle. In the same way that sometimes playing with Gonzalez and Bellamy is more vital than playing possession football for 80 minutes.
LRD is right in that we need more quality players, though I think people are going over board with regards to exactly how much require. Benitez up to this point has alter 80% of his squad. Whereas Chelsea and United are going out and spending £18-24m on single players we have had to buy 2-3 players with the same amount of money if we want to compete over the course of a season. There's no sense in us buying a Drogba, if we're going to have to bring in a Neil Mellor everytime he's injured. Likewise it's no good for us to sign an Arjen Robben when he's got Djimi Traore doing the overlapping.
Yes, we could do with 2-3 'special' players to add to the core of the team but this is the first summer since Rafa's arrival where massive rebuilding won't be required, so who's to say we won't go for those types of players. The ones that affect the big games.
Up until then, we're more than capable of steam-rolling over the remaining 16 teams in the premiership whereas Arsenal simply aren't at the moment, or atleast, not that they've shown. Exactly why I think we'll finish ahead of them, even if they do have better players on paper than ourselves.
It's no good talking about Hleb, Rosicky, Walcott, Cesc, Ljungberg, Adebayor, Baptista, Henry etc when you can only play so many at once. What's the point of all that attacking talent when a single injury to Gilberto means you're playing Flamini regularly?
LRD is right in that we need more quality players, though I think people are going over board with regards to exactly how much require. Benitez up to this point has alter 80% of his squad. Whereas Chelsea and United are going out and spending £18-24m on single players we have had to buy 2-3 players with the same amount of money if we want to compete over the course of a season. There's no sense in us buying a Drogba, if we're going to have to bring in a Neil Mellor everytime he's injured. Likewise it's no good for us to sign an Arjen Robben when he's got Djimi Traore doing the overlapping.
Yes, we could do with 2-3 'special' players to add to the core of the team but this is the first summer since Rafa's arrival where massive rebuilding won't be required, so who's to say we won't go for those types of players. The ones that affect the big games.
Up until then, we're more than capable of steam-rolling over the remaining 16 teams in the premiership whereas Arsenal simply aren't at the moment, or atleast, not that they've shown. Exactly why I think we'll finish ahead of them, even if they do have better players on paper than ourselves.
It's no good talking about Hleb, Rosicky, Walcott, Cesc, Ljungberg, Adebayor, Baptista, Henry etc when you can only play so many at once. What's the point of all that attacking talent when a single injury to Gilberto means you're playing Flamini regularly?
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by The Pröfessör Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:55 pm
Obispo wrote:Agooner wrote:Obispo wrote:Walcott is a top player?
pennant is virtually a starter for u guys, walcott isn't for us.
Do you see me calling Pennant a top player? And he's virtually a start down to injuries.
It's like me saying Djorou is virtually a starter for your lot
I am sure even without injuries, pennant will a lot of games. u cant say the same for djourou or walcott.
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Re: Arsenal v Liverpool, who will have the better season?
by Luis Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:56 pm
Agooner wrote:Obispo wrote:Agooner wrote:Obispo wrote:Walcott is a top player?
pennant is virtually a starter for u guys, walcott isn't for us.
Do you see me calling Pennant a top player? And he's virtually a start down to injuries.
It's like me saying Djorou is virtually a starter for your lot
I am sure even without injuries, pennant will a lot of games. u cant say the same for djourou or walcott.
not really, once Momo comes back and Kewell
we will play this:
Kewell, Sissoko, Alonso, Gerrard
most likely
with Pennant and garcia pushing for right mid maybe
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