FA cup match discussion 6th/7th Jan

First goal was because he was off his line. Pennant played pretty well probably Liverpool's best player. Alonso and Agger didnt have the best of days and neither scouser had a particularly good day. I thought Almunia seemed surprisingly confident and dealt well with the crosses. Sendoros also impressed.

TeamSpirit™ wrote:

Anyone who thinks Carson is any better needs to remember the Luton game 12 months ago.

do goalkeepers peak at 21 then Urkel?

Carson may not be a good keeper-sweeper but he'd have stopped atleast 2 of those goals. Even if he would have seemed just as edgy in normal play.

Glenn Hysén wrote:

TeamSpirit wrote:

Anyone who thinks Carson is any better needs to remember the Luton game 12 months ago.

do goalkeepers peak at 21 then Urkel?

In reference to how quickly he can come off his line R HERO

which goal would have been stopped by Dudek coming off his line quicker?

First goal - Gerrard and Alonso should have picked up Rosicky, who got three unchallenged touches in the build up and the shot.

Secondly goal - Liverpool stood off, failed to try to block the shot, and it should have been saved.

Third goal - Carragher should have put it out of play, and the finish was soft and in the middle of the goal, and so should have been scored.


Arsenal were poor today, and Liverpool not much better. Arsenal were painfully negative, Liverpool lacked good delivery into the box and defended poorly for all three goals, as did Arsenal for the one they conceded (leaving a centreforward unmarked, 4 yards out, on a corner).

All in all, a disappointing day for both teams. Arsenal won but were shit, boring, defensive, conservative. Liverpool lost, and weren't much better.

First goal was Riise's fault. I don't care how long it took for the play to develop afterwards. If he didn't look like a lost little boy with the ball at his feet they wouldn't have had the ball to counter-attack in the first place.

Hopefully Aurelio gets a proper run out now as he was very good when he came on.

Glenn Hysén wrote:which goal would have been stopped by Dudek coming off his line quicker?

None. but it was in reference to football genius' Post, nosey

You can play a high line with Ocean line defenders if you've got an alert goalkeeper.

Obispo wrote:

S4P wrote:Henry has Carragher on his arse, and leaves Agger for dead.

Who was the last team to win the FA Cup and go out in the 3rd round the following season?

Arsenal.

When.

We went out in the 4 th Round last year.

We beat Cardiff in the 3rd Round.

SGM wrote:First goal - Gerrard and Alonso should have picked up Rosicky, who got three unchallenged touches in the build up and the shot.

Secondly goal - Liverpool stood off, failed to try to block the shot, and it should have been saved.

Third goal - Carragher should have put it out of play, and the finish was soft and in the middle of the goal, and so should have been scored.


Arsenal were poor today, and Liverpool not much better. Arsenal were painfully negative, Liverpool lacked good delivery into the box and defended poorly for all three goals, as did Arsenal for the one they conceded (leaving a centreforward unmarked, 4 yards out, on a corner).

All in all, a disappointing day for both teams. Arsenal won but were shit, boring, defensive, conservative. Liverpool lost, and weren't much better.

Hi saints!

Sheffield gunner wrote:Why does Eboue always do this?

Got exactly what he deserved and he didn't even need to foul him.

The most dissapointing part of the game by far today mate.

He really needs to cut this out of his game as it will hold him back and will no doubt get a nasty reputation because of it. I would like to think that our coaching team have talked to him about it. If not this may be the time to do it.

I think Lauren will play midweek.

Cesc wrote:

Sheffield gunner wrote:Why does Eboue always do this?

Got exactly what he deserved and he didn't even need to foul him.

The most dissapointing part of the game by far today mate.

He really needs to cut this out of his game as it will hold him back and will no doubt get a nasty reputation because of it. I would like to think that our coaching team have talked to him about it. If not this may be the time to do it.

I think Lauren will play midweek.

wenger should have a word with him.

Cesc wrote:

Sheffield gunner wrote:Why does Eboue always do this?

Got exactly what he deserved and he didn't even need to foul him.

The most dissapointing part of the game by far today mate.

He really needs to cut this out of his game as it will hold him back and will no doubt get a nasty reputation because of it. I would like to think that our coaching team have talked to him about it. If not this may be the time to do it.

I think Lauren will play midweek.

Wenger criticised him for diving after the CL final and then criticised him again a month or two back for playacting and cheating. Unfortunately he doesn't seem to have learnt his lesson. What makes it worse is that he is absolutely rubbish at it. It's not like he gains himself any benefits from rolling around on the floor because it is so obvious that he is feigning injury.

Arsenal plays a decent form of catenaccio, 3 chances, 3 goals. Henry goal was class though, but I think Arsenal is better of without Ownree. He is like a dictator in the field.

MOTM for Liverpool Kuyt, that team should really work on teambuilding. They all go for there own chance.

MOTM for Arsenal RVP

I said earlier ralph won't get his place back but i'm not so sure now. He is a fantastic prospect but his theartrics frustrates the hell out of everyone( including wenger).

Fey wrote:

MOTM for Arsenal RVP

clearly rosicky

Fey wrote:Arsenal plays a decent form of catenaccio, 3 chances, 3 goals. Henry goal was class though, but I think Arsenal is better of without Ownree. He is like a dictator in the field.

MOTM for Liverpool Kuyt, that team should really work on teambuilding. They all go for there own chance.

MOTM for Arsenal RVP

kuyt was great...

for 85 minutes there was absolutly no point in RVP and henry being on that pitch

Pennant > Kuyt today.

A goal shouldn't disguise and inept performance.

Obispo wrote:Pennant > Kuyt today.

A goal shouldn't disguise and inept performance.

nah I genuinely thought kuyt was great and pennant shite. he takes the game to the opposition but his crossing is just so poor. we'll be a better team with momo back and gerrard crossing from the right.

COTR wrote:

Obispo wrote:Pennant > Kuyt today.

A goal shouldn't disguise and inept performance.

nah I genuinely thought kuyt was great and pennant shite. he takes the game to the opposition but his crossing is just so poor. we'll be a better team with momo back and gerrard crossing from the right.

Kuyt was far, far better than Pennant today...On a different level. Our wingers were both poor, but Pennant was the worst of the two. He didn't look threatening at all!

I agree with Obispo - Kuyt's touch was dodgy, he misplaced passes, couldn't hold it up properly - a poor game from him. Crouch was better, but not much.


What Liverpool are crying out for is a winger who can beat people 1 v 1, because Pennant for some reason lacks the confidence, and Aurelio/Riise are both LBs playing as wide midfielders. So many times today Liverpool got it out wide, and then checked and came inside, back into the catenaccio traffic, because they didn't dare just run with the ball.

And alright, Riise is to blame for the first goal. Whatever, all three that Liverpool conceded could have been stopped.

Thought Kuyt was poor to be honest. I'm not having this "he worked hard" nonsense that usually comes out after a poor performance from him because Pennant was equally tireless today.

He's clearly got another gear or two to go up, but today he was poor. Pennant wasn't great, but I refuse to allow him to be the scapegoat for todays performance.

Riise is welcome to that honour.

I thought Kuyt did quite well, he went on a couple of good runs but found himself stranded as Crouch has no knees and can't keep up. Shame Bellars didn't play.

I agree with Obispo - Kuyt's touch was dodgy, he misplaced passes, couldn't hold it up properly - a poor game from him. Crouch was better, but not much.

crouch was the main reason they could squeeze the game so much although saying that if we had delivered any sort of service into him he would have been lethal against toure and senderos. but with garcia constantly jinking into the 10 man defence and losing it as you say it was futile. gonzalez would have been a better option with hindsight. I don't really blame gerrard and alonso because they had to pass through a compressed minefield to wingers who were not wide enough and attackers who didnt stretch the game enough. shame rafa didnt take a risk on bellamy. pathetic tactics from arsenal really but they worked on the day as rosicky saved their skin so wenger will be very happy

I promise you now, regarding the Alonso 'foul', that if it had been Drogba (or Ronaldo) who had gone over like that, Lawro, Motson, Shearer, Hansen and co would have sat there slagging them off for the rest of the match (and even at full-time)

S4P wrote:I promise you now, regarding the Alonso 'foul', that if it had been Drogba (or Ronaldo) who had gone over like that, Lawro, Motson, Shearer, Hansen and co would have sat there slagging them off for the rest of the match (and even at full-time)

but he was fouled SP so what's your point?

S4P wrote:I promise you now, regarding the Alonso 'foul', that if it had been Drogba (or Ronaldo) who had gone over like that, Lawro, Motson, Shearer, Hansen and co would have sat there slagging them off for the rest of the match (and even at full-time)

They'd be wrong to do so aswell, seen as there was genuine contact.

SGM

Yeah your right, they need a Ronaldo/Robben type player, a magical player who makes things happen and draws defenders to him, creating space for the others. They lack that sort of player, which will always cause problems when they go a goal behind against a good side.

If people would just give Mark Gonzalez time...

Hmmm, ill hold my hand up and say we were shit. Especially in the second half. Our central midfielders were so static it was painful. I know Gilberto generally doesnt move much but he should move when hes in his own half. Flamini was anonymous. My excuse for our slightly defensive performance was the lack of Fabregas as we lost his ability to set up attacks and spread the play quickly through passing.
Senderos proved me right in that he was very good in the air. Possibly a worse footballer than Sol Campbell was which is definitely a feet. One point though, how good was John Terry when he was Senderos's age? Very few defenders play regulalrly when they are that young, especially ones like Senderos.
Finally, Henry's goal. i knwo the first part was classic hit and run (and why is that a bad thing, do people, (waft and TS) expect people to be able to dribble whilst standing still? but the second part of his goal was when he beat Agger with a very good change of direction with the ball under control. Everyone has decided to ignore this.