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    Post by L r d Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:00 pm

    Rez wrote:The smugness has increased, as we were written of completely, but you could say the same about united we had a bad season last year, but we finished above you and this season were playing the way we should. We have the same players a s last season bar Carrick, who hasnt done that much to change our fortunes. Scholes and Giggs have always been special players they are jus playing back to there natural level. Ronaldo is older and is playing better, Vidic has settled in.

    Like we're being written off this year you mean? Yes, you finished above us by a single point but you had no champions league to concentrate on after christmas and no FA cup distracting you after Feburary.

    The point you're making about your players is the same as I'm saying is capable of ours. What's to say that, come the start of next season, Kuyt, Pennant and Gonzalez won't be fully settled in?

    What's to say that Kewell, who brought balance to the team, won't be back to his 'natural level'.


    The article asks whether 3 pool players would get into the united, Arsenal or Chelsea side, that shows the level your team is at.

    It's not a case of the individuals anyways. No one would have taken Baraja over Zidane and I'm fairly sure most people would prefer Essien to Carrick.

    Reina will be a year older next year, Riise at the start of the season was considered a better player than Evra - then of course there's the Kuyts, Alonso's and Gerrards of the world.

    Besides what have Liverpool shown in the league to suggest that 3/4th place isnt there natural position?

    Nothing. What have United shown in the past few years to suggest that the last 16 is the most they're capable of, on a good year?

    You expect yearly improvements and given that we've won the European cup and last season closed a 30 point gap to less than a 10 point gap it makes sense that some of us think we're closing the gap and moving in the right direction.
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    Post by Cesc Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:01 pm

    SGM wrote:On the other hand, Rooney is playing worse than last season, I don't think that there's any doubt about that...
    Rooney is a funny one.

    He doesn't look composed in front of goal as we usually expect from him. However he is still up there is the scoring and assist charts.

    Against Portsmouth he was actually very good. Making those runs of his with the ball and finding holes in the defence.

    One of the reasons his form is in the spotlight so much is the fact that Cristiano Ronaldo has been in incredible form of late, (6 goals in 3 games) so comparisions of the two are inevitable. Even if they are slightly unfair on Rooney.
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    Post by Saintsar Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:01 pm

    Parks lives wrote:
    SGM wrote:On the other hand, Rooney is playing worse than last season, I don't think that there's any doubt about that...

    None at all.

    To be honest it would be interesting to see if we would have more points if he played like he did last season.

    Unless the team has changed so much that its to the detriment of Wazza. scratch

    I honestly think that it's a personal issue with him as opposed to the team, because statistically he's still one of the best players in the league, but anyone who watches him over 90 minutes can see he's out of form. He's been on his game in what, 6 or 7 matches this season? I think that it's a confidence thing, after a very poor World Cup (mainly due to injury). That's maybe why Fergie doesn't seem prepared to drop him, but wants him to play his way back into form.

    But sure, he's running with the ball less, shooting from distance less, and his shooting is worse, he doesn't seem to want the ball as much when Man U are in possession, he's been catastrophically shit for England...
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    Post by Parks lives Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:07 pm

    Yep. Fairly poor over the 90 minutes on Sunday and still two assists. Neutral

    I'm still patient with him though as he's making an impact, even if it is in fits and starts. I would like to see a couple of games with Larsson and Saha up front though, as Rooney can't start every game.
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:15 pm

    When you start selling out to fund new transfers we will take Agger and García please...
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    Post by L r d Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:19 pm

    Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:When you start selling out to fund new transfers we will take Agger and García please...

    You'd still have Garcia if you weren't so hell bent on having some Frog Pace Merchant Wink
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    Post by Cesc Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:19 pm

    Do Barcelona actually regret selling Garcia?

    I mean they already have Ronaldinho, Guily, Messi......

    He would be on the bench for sure.
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    Post by L r d Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:21 pm

    Cesc wrote:Do Barcelona actually regret selling Garcia?

    I mean they already have Ronaldinho, Guily, Messi......

    He would be on the bench for sure.


    Theory:

    They don't regret selling him. They do regret that they didn't get double the transfer fee.
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    Post by Cesc Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:22 pm

    He went for 6 million right?
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    Post by Saintsar Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:22 pm

    Garcia>>>Giuly
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:22 pm

    Cesc wrote:Do Barcelona actually regret selling Garcia?

    I mean they already have Ronaldinho, Guily, Messi......

    He would be on the bench for sure.

    We don't regret selling him. He was slowly making it into the first team, but he had a release clause that was quite low. Since we couldn't offer him regular first team football, I am very happy that he has found it at Liverpool.

    I would like him back, in the role of a sub for Giuly/Messi/Dinho as he is still a level below these guys. It is always nice to see "canteranos" at the club which is why we will be having Cesc back too..
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    Post by L r d Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:23 pm

    SGM wrote:Garcia>>>Giuly

    No Biggrin
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:25 pm

    SGM wrote:Garcia>>>Giuly

    Not for us though.. we need Giuly for those matches were speed and counter attack are required. You can't really compare García and Giuly since they are very different. Compare García to Messi if you have to, but Messi is much much better than García. So García would be a super sub for us along the lines of Guddy when Eto'o is back. García >> Ezquerro..
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:26 pm

    Obispo wrote:
    Cesc wrote:Do Barcelona actually regret selling Garcia?

    I mean they already have Ronaldinho, Guily, Messi......

    He would be on the bench for sure.


    Theory:

    They don't regret selling him. They do regret that they didn't get double the transfer fee.

    Exactly!
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    Post by Saintsar Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:30 pm

    Garcia for Liverpool >>>> Giuly for Barca
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:34 pm

    SGM wrote:Garcia for Liverpool >>>> Giuly for Barca

    Giuly is massively underrated.. He can be sublime and was one of our best players last year.

    It is like with Valdés, very few fans and neutrals give them any credit. I think that they are both extremely important to the team
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    Post by Kevin Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:35 pm

    Saints is determined to have the final say here!
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    Post by L r d Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:37 pm

    Garcia gets underrated by so many people it worries me. To this day there are still plenty of Liverpool fans desperate to sign "Aimar for £20m" in his place.

    Players like Garcia who score 10+ goals a season and get a similar number of assists are usually £15m+ and they'd expect to be starting every game in their favoured position.

    He doesn't mind playing on the wing nor does he seem to mind being a squad member rather than a guarneteed first teamer.


    Great value for money.
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    Post by Luis Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:37 pm

    Kevin wrote:Saints is determined to have the final say here!

    well observed
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:43 pm

    Obispo wrote:Garcia gets underrated by so many people it worries me. To this day there are still plenty of Liverpool fans desperate to sign "Aimar for £20m" in his place.

    Players like Garcia who score 10+ goals a season and get a similar number of assists are usually £15m+ and they'd expect to be starting every game in their favoured position.

    He doesn't mind playing on the wing nor does he seem to mind being a squad member rather than a guarneteed first teamer.


    Great value for money.

    Don't get me wrong, I really like García and he offers something unique to Liverpool. I am just saying that I doubt he would be able to break the Dinho-Eto'o-Messi partnership.
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    Post by L r d Tue Jan 09, 2007 5:44 pm

    That wasn't directed at you in particular Oli. If I was a Barca fan I wouldn't want Garcia ahead of Guily, Dinho, Eto'o or Messi ok

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