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How good a manager is Benitez really ?
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Rate the Spaniard
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Saintsar- Guest
I'd give him a 9. If he hadn't signed that lumbering Argie centre-half then it would have been 10.
Cesc- Guest
8.
He is a top manager and one of the best tacticians in the World.
Having two Spanish Leagues, an UEFA Cup, a FA Cup and a Champions League is still very good for the CV.
His only downfall seems to be the transfer market.
He is a top manager and one of the best tacticians in the World.
Having two Spanish Leagues, an UEFA Cup, a FA Cup and a Champions League is still very good for the CV.
His only downfall seems to be the transfer market.
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I went for one otto... all those different trophies were won by luck and having the biggest budget in the relevent competitions
it's really 9
it's really 9
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Re: How good a manager is Benitez really ?
by Glenarch of the Glen Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:47 pm
Cesc wrote:8.
He is a top manager and one of the best tacticians in the World.
Having two Spanish Leagues, an UEFA Cup, a FA Cup and a Champions League is still very good for the CV.
His only downfall seems to be the transfer market.
his reserves lost to Arsenal's reserves, does this make him a bad manager?
Perhaps in 10 years time he'll have a similar crop of home grown talent. Very few of our current batch will make it in top level football, pretty much all of Arsenal's will.
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Cesc wrote:
His only downfall seems to be the transfer market.
Hate this arguement and I know you're not the only one to make it.
In 3 summers he's brought in Momo, Agger, Reina, Alonso, Kuyt and Garcia. People always look at the fact that he's had a similar amount of money to spend as Fergie the past few seasons but ignore the fact that he's rebuilt 80% of the squad. I honestly don't get why people think it's a problem.
Considering the stick some managers get for sticking with their bad buys I would have thought it would be refreshing to see a manager who for the most part sells them quickly and rarely loses any capital on his "duds". The sole exception being Morientes and at the time that looked like the deal of the season.
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He really should do better with this squad, so I am flunking him...
Even though I like the guy and think he's made some excellent acquisitions.
Even though I like the guy and think he's made some excellent acquisitions.
L r d- Guest
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Was very impressed with him at one point, especially the battles with jose. But now not as impressed, many mistakes, seems to treat players as robots. Transfers slightly dodgy.
Was very impressed with him at one point, especially the battles with jose. But now not as impressed, many mistakes, seems to treat players as robots. Transfers slightly dodgy.
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I agve him a 9. Winnig la liga twice with Valencia then going on to win the UEFA cup is a great achievement on its own but then to go to Liverpool and in two seasons win the FA cup and CL is a great feat, especially with Chelsea's millions.
The only fault I could find with him is that IMO he has only signed two players that have made a dramatic difference to the squad - Alonso and Reina. Kuyt has the potential to be another possibly but to be a side that REALLY is challenging for the title c=with Chelsea then IMO they are one or two players short.
Let me put it this way, without him I doubt they'd have got any silverware in the past two seasons
The only fault I could find with him is that IMO he has only signed two players that have made a dramatic difference to the squad - Alonso and Reina. Kuyt has the potential to be another possibly but to be a side that REALLY is challenging for the title c=with Chelsea then IMO they are one or two players short.
Let me put it this way, without him I doubt they'd have got any silverware in the past two seasons
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L r d wrote:6
Was very impressed with him at one point, especially the battles with jose. But now not as impressed, many mistakes, seems to treat players as robots. Transfers slightly dodgy.
Saintsar- Guest
Obispo wrote:Cesc wrote:
His only downfall seems to be the transfer market.
Hate this arguement and I know you're not the only one to make it.
In 3 summers he's brought in Momo, Agger, Reina, Alonso, Kuyt and Garcia.
You forgot his best signing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoUYgHByP50
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Tweedle wrote:I agve him a 9. Winnig la liga twice with Valencia then going on to win the UEFA cup is a great achievement on its own but then to go to Liverpool and in two seasons win the FA cup and CL is a great feat, especially with Chelsea's millions.
The only fault I could find with him is that IMO he has only signed two players that have made a dramatic difference to the squad - Alonso and Reina. Kuyt has the potential to be another possibly but to be a side that REALLY is challenging for the title c=with Chelsea then IMO they are one or two players short.
Let me put it this way, without him I doubt they'd have got any silverware in the past two seasons
plus agger... garcia was also vital to winning the CL. an experience no liverpool fan would trade for anything in football.
As obi said he inherited a dross squad from houllier and in just two seasons has changed it into a formidable one... fergie got about 3 years of winning fcuk all to 'rebuild' his side. the squad is in place. all that's needed now is one or two quality players and hopefully this will happen soon
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Well Liverpool is a typical 4th finisher club so he is quite on par from what we can expect from liverpool!
Therefore i say he scores a 6! For this years performance
Therefore i say he scores a 6! For this years performance
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but u are judging on his career so far ricky... not just half a season.. surely this makes sense ???Ric Jol wrote:Well Liverpool is a typical 4th finisher club so he is quite on par from what we can expect from liverpool!
Therefore i say he scores a 6! For this years performance
Saintsar- Guest
COTR wrote:fergie got about 3 years of winning fcuk all to 'rebuild' his side.
You mean the three years when Man U got to three domestic cup finals, winning two of them, and finished higher than Liverpool in each of those seasons?
But sidestepping those facts, I take your point.
L r d- Guest
Right...
So, in the 5 seasons since he's been a manager of a team that can actually win something he's acheived:
1 Champions League
2 Domestic titles in Spain
1 FA Cup
1 Uefa Cup
1 Super Cup
1 Charity Shield.
So, over a trophy a season? Not bad. What about the things that don't get you silverware?
Valencia hadn't won a league title in 30 years. Rafa's first season brings them a league title. His 3rd brings them another and a european trophy. He is officially their most successful coach.
Liverpool had gone 21 years since winning a European Cup. Benitez's first season brings them a European Cup.
He's given us our best points total since the premiership began. He's given us our 2nd highest wins ratio ever. A club record without conceding etc etc etc.
Still, we're not having the greatest season (despite being 3rd in the league and having conceded just a single goal more than United) and he's now just a 6 out of 10 manager.
I dispair.
So, in the 5 seasons since he's been a manager of a team that can actually win something he's acheived:
1 Champions League
2 Domestic titles in Spain
1 FA Cup
1 Uefa Cup
1 Super Cup
1 Charity Shield.
So, over a trophy a season? Not bad. What about the things that don't get you silverware?
Valencia hadn't won a league title in 30 years. Rafa's first season brings them a league title. His 3rd brings them another and a european trophy. He is officially their most successful coach.
Liverpool had gone 21 years since winning a European Cup. Benitez's first season brings them a European Cup.
He's given us our best points total since the premiership began. He's given us our 2nd highest wins ratio ever. A club record without conceding etc etc etc.
Still, we're not having the greatest season (despite being 3rd in the league and having conceded just a single goal more than United) and he's now just a 6 out of 10 manager.
I dispair.
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If, and its a big if, but if Liverpool win the Champs league this season, which is possible, then Benitiez would go down as a massive success, even though they haven't really challenged for the league.
Its too early to call it now IMO
Its too early to call it now IMO
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Wasn't me that gave it the label the mickey mouse cup saints....SGM wrote:COTR wrote:fergie got about 3 years of winning fcuk all to 'rebuild' his side.
You mean the three years when Man U got to three domestic cup finals, winning two of them, and finished higher than Liverpool in each of those seasons?
But sidestepping those facts, I take your point.
not even the point behind it anyway. fergie spent three years rebuilding the current team during which he had a hell of a lot of displeasure from fans. during most of last season a large proportion of the fans were claiming he had lost it and wanted him out. They now look very very foolish. Rafa has started with a far worse base and built it up to close to the required level in a very very short period of time. united were struggling in the first half of last year and for the past year finally the plans of the previous three years have begun to bear fruit. my point was liverpool are close to achieving the same feat because all the squad stability is in place. we'll just have to wait and see if this is proven correct
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To be fair he inherited a very good Valencia side (got to two champions league finals and could easily have won one of them) Barcelona were at there worst in years and Real weron the decline.
I gave him an 7 I know he has won pretty much everything he can win bar the League, spanish cup and a league cup, but i have knocked of points because his teams play horrible football.
I gave him an 7 I know he has won pretty much everything he can win bar the League, spanish cup and a league cup, but i have knocked of points because his teams play horrible football.
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It wasn't a large proportion as much as you may like to think it was and half the people of the minority who wanted him to go where people who were against Glazer and Fergie's willingness to work openly with the man.
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COTR wrote:Wasn't me that gave it the label the mickey mouse cup saints....SGM wrote:COTR wrote:fergie got about 3 years of winning fcuk all to 'rebuild' his side.
You mean the three years when Man U got to three domestic cup finals, winning two of them, and finished higher than Liverpool in each of those seasons?
But sidestepping those facts, I take your point.
Sure sure, I'm not criticising you for that - I just think that Fergie's done alright, finishing top three in the league and getting to a domestic cup final every year, and now in a position to threaten for the league title again.
not even the point behind it anyway. fergie spent three years rebuilding the current team during which he had a hell of a lot of displeasure from fans. during most of last season a large proportion of the fans were claiming he had lost it and wanted him out. They now look very very foolish. Rafa has started with a far worse base and built it up to close to the required level in a very very short period of time. united were struggling in the first half of last year and for the past year finally the plans of the previous three years have begun to bear fruit. my point was liverpool are close to achieving the same feat because all the squad stability is in place. we'll just have to wait and see if this is proven correct
Absolutely - Benitez has done more than enough so far to excuse the odd shit week in a season when a fair few players have underperformed.
Benitez just needs to get the right blend of players, and I think he'll win the Premiership.
More importantly - who the fuck could you get whose record is better? No one that I can think of, so there's no reason whatsoever to change things.
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Parks lives wrote:It wasn't a large proportion as much as you may like to think it was and half the people of the minority who wanted him to go where people who were against Glazer and Fergie's willingness to work openly with the man.
Well bizarre it was cotr to bring up the ones who wanted fergie out would look foolish.
I had enough of Fergie when he kept playing Smith in midfield, despite it being a disaster. Cotr agreed with this, and was of the view, fergie is finished and should of retired etc. However, when he dropped ruud i thought he still had it, and did a u turn, it has taken a further 6 months for cotr to realize hes still got it
as saints said, it's the league positions, although fergie was doing bad, 2nd 3rd 2nd. benitez 5th 3rd, now 3rd maximum, could easily be 4th, maybe even 5th.
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This really should be split into three parts.
His management of Valencia.
His management of Liverpool in cup competitions.
His management of Liverpool in the league.
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9
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His management of Valencia.
His management of Liverpool in cup competitions.
His management of Liverpool in the league.
8
9
5.
Luis- Guest
Parks lives wrote:This really should be split into three parts.
His management of Valencia.
His management of Liverpool in cup competitions.
His management of Liverpool in the league.
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9
5.
fair, I'd agree with those
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SGM wrote:I'd give him a 9. If he hadn't signed that lumbering Argie centre-half then it would have been 10.
he is an U-20 world champion.
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Despite our record premiership points total last year? id wait until the end of this season before marking him down to a 5 in the leagueLuis wrote:Parks lives wrote:This really should be split into three parts.
His management of Valencia.
His management of Liverpool in cup competitions.
His management of Liverpool in the league.
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9
5.
fair, I'd agree with those
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COTR wrote:Despite our record premiership points total last year? id wait until the end of this season before marking him down to a 5 in the leagueLuis wrote:Parks lives wrote:This really should be split into three parts.
His management of Valencia.
His management of Liverpool in cup competitions.
His management of Liverpool in the league.
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9
5.
fair, I'd agree with those
thus far I'd say 5, it depends what you want really if you expect Liverpool to be winning the league then you'd choose 5, if you want to settle for 3rd then you can put it a little higher
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Agooner wrote:SGM wrote:I'd give him a 9. If he hadn't signed that lumbering Argie centre-half then it would have been 10.
he is an U-20 world champion.
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