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Owen Thomas wrote:Agooner wrote:Robin wrote:Rez wrote:I think Stevie let his country down agianst Portugal, big time.
I think RVP had a shite world cup.
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Agooner wrote:Owen Thomas wrote:Agooner wrote:Robin wrote:Rez wrote:I think Stevie let his country down agianst Portugal, big time.
I think RVP had a shite world cup.
still bitter? 2-1
You brought up the match Agooner
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Obispo wrote:Football Genius wrote:Quite frankly though who cares what Parky thinks ? i dont, says a lot when even the manager of the club he supports reserves praise for Gerrard and likens him to their previous idolic captain Roy Keane.
I really wish the drunkard would avoid doing that though. We don't want Gerrard turning into a wannabe hardman thug who winces everytime he goes into a 50/50 with a diminutive spaniard.
Besides, he's actually played in a champions league final and hasn't let his country down at a world cup
Well, he f@cked up Euro 2004, didn't he?
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kas wrote:Obispo wrote:Football Genius wrote:Quite frankly though who cares what Parky thinks ? i dont, says a lot when even the manager of the club he supports reserves praise for Gerrard and likens him to their previous idolic captain Roy Keane.
I really wish the drunkard would avoid doing that though. We don't want Gerrard turning into a wannabe hardman thug who winces everytime he goes into a 50/50 with a diminutive spaniard.
Besides, he's actually played in a champions league final and hasn't let his country down at a world cup
Well, he f@cked up Euro 2004, didn't he?
You're a nasty pasty Kas.
Clearly upset that Gerrard outscored the entire Barca team - Saviola at the World Cup.
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Obispo wrote:kas wrote:Obispo wrote:Football Genius wrote:Quite frankly though who cares what Parky thinks ? i dont, says a lot when even the manager of the club he supports reserves praise for Gerrard and likens him to their previous idolic captain Roy Keane.
I really wish the drunkard would avoid doing that though. We don't want Gerrard turning into a wannabe hardman thug who winces everytime he goes into a 50/50 with a diminutive spaniard.
Besides, he's actually played in a champions league final and hasn't let his country down at a world cup
Well, he f@cked up Euro 2004, didn't he?
You're a nasty pasty Kas.
Clearly upset that Gerrard outscored the entire Barca team - Saviola at the World Cup.
Ouch, you've done your research on that one.
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kas wrote:Obispo wrote:kas wrote:Obispo wrote:Football Genius wrote:Quite frankly though who cares what Parky thinks ? i dont, says a lot when even the manager of the club he supports reserves praise for Gerrard and likens him to their previous idolic captain Roy Keane.
I really wish the drunkard would avoid doing that though. We don't want Gerrard turning into a wannabe hardman thug who winces everytime he goes into a 50/50 with a diminutive spaniard.
Besides, he's actually played in a champions league final and hasn't let his country down at a world cup
Well, he f@cked up Euro 2004, didn't he?
You're a nasty pasty Kas.
Clearly upset that Gerrard outscored the entire Barca team - Saviola at the World Cup.
Ouch, you've done your research on that one.
It's a guess... Eto'o didn't go and Deco only got one. I'm leaving room for one other player
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Ahh, after some real research:
Messi - 1
Deco - 1
Marquez - 1
Not counting Zambrotta and Saviola, both of whom had one each as well.
I hereby take back my compliment
Messi - 1
Deco - 1
Marquez - 1
Not counting Zambrotta and Saviola, both of whom had one each as well.
I hereby take back my compliment
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Crouch and Gerrard combined managed the same amount as the entire Barca team Factor in Xabi's in Spain's first game and we win
Factor in Xabi's in Spain's first game and we win
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Agooner wrote:The players parky hates most:
1) Lampard
2) Henry
Are the only two players I rather dislike. The rest are players I just don't rate as much as others. Gerrard would still be in my England XI.
Where as I'd rather have Michael Brown playing for England than Lampard.
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Rez wrote: Hargreaves, Cole and Ferdinand were the only players to come out with any credit from team England.
Crouch. And Walcott because no-one can blame him for the debacle.
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I agree that you can't blame walcott, but you couldn't give him credit either.
Which cole are we talking about? Ashley or Joe, as I thought they were both relatively ok. Also agree that crouch was one of the better players, along with rio and hargreaves. After that who was better than gerrard? When he was a defensive midfielder no goals were scored, when he went forward he scored. He had a decent if unspectacular world cup.
It is interesting though that the manu fan has picked Gerrard who let his country down, completely forgetting Rooney being sent off. The 10 men left behind I thought played better than when rooney was on the pitch and Gerrard happened to be one of these.
Which cole are we talking about? Ashley or Joe, as I thought they were both relatively ok. Also agree that crouch was one of the better players, along with rio and hargreaves. After that who was better than gerrard? When he was a defensive midfielder no goals were scored, when he went forward he scored. He had a decent if unspectacular world cup.
It is interesting though that the manu fan has picked Gerrard who let his country down, completely forgetting Rooney being sent off. The 10 men left behind I thought played better than when rooney was on the pitch and Gerrard happened to be one of these.
Rez wrote:I think Stevie let his country down agianst Portugal, big time.
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Hilarious.
About as hilarious as defending a fully fit Gerrard at the World cup.
About as hilarious as defending a fully fit Gerrard at the World cup.
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Parks lives wrote:Hilarious.
About as hilarious as defending a fully fit Gerrard at the World cup.
Thanks for the great post. Nice argument there as usual.
Care to justify it or just building up your post count?
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Ashley Cole was bloody terrible. Mediocre at the back, absolutely useless going forward. Went inside Joe Cole EVERY time he passed the halfway line, thus completely defeating the object of attacking fullbacks (i.e. to provide width).
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Parks lives wrote:Hilarious.
About as hilarious as defending a fully fit Gerrard at the World cup.
Top scorer, plus one assist, in a midfield where he had to carry a seriously below par Lampard and Beckham. What's hilarious is that you think that needs defending.
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Against T & T, Uruguay, Ecudor and Sweden.
How did he do vs Portugal when we really needed a performance?
I expect a response, no worse than Rooney.
How did he do vs Portugal when we really needed a performance?
I expect a response, no worse than Rooney.
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Gerrard did the usual - his goals covered up mediocre all round play in the centre, though he did track back well. Was better than Fwank, but that's not really saying much, is it?
Rio, Hargreaves, Crouch, J.Cole& maybe Gaz Neville were England's best players.
Rio, Hargreaves, Crouch, J.Cole& maybe Gaz Neville were England's best players.
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I wasnt singing Gerrard out for letting England down. Obi said Gerrad unlike Keane never lets his country down, I simply informed him that the 'best English midfielder' missing a penalty in WC QF is letting the country down.
Rooney wasnt match fit and wasnt really doing anything, him getting sent off, didnt really affect the outcome, we were playing crap with him on the pitch and crap of it.
At the end of the day, you dont lose a penalty shoot out because someone got sent off 45 minutes earlier, you lose because you cant score penalties. The same thing happened to Italy in Euro 2004, but they scored there penalties.
Rooney wasnt match fit and wasnt really doing anything, him getting sent off, didnt really affect the outcome, we were playing crap with him on the pitch and crap of it.
At the end of the day, you dont lose a penalty shoot out because someone got sent off 45 minutes earlier, you lose because you cant score penalties. The same thing happened to Italy in Euro 2004, but they scored there penalties.
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Rez wrote:I wasnt singing Gerrard out for letting England down. Obi said Gerrad unlike Keane never lets his country down, I simply informed him that the 'best English midfielder' missing a penalty in WC QF is letting the country down.
Rooney wasnt match fit and wasnt really doing anything, him getting sent off, didnt really affect the outcome, we were playing crap with him on the pitch and crap of it.
At the end of the day, you dont lose a penalty shoot out because someone got sent off 45 minutes earlier, you lose because you cant score penalties. The same thing happened to Italy in Euro 2004, but they scored there penalties.
Maybe it doesn't get to penalties if you have 11 on the pitch?
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Maybe it doesn't get to penalties if midfielders do there jobs?
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He'd been playing as a DM all tournament and you didn't concede . Your point? Or are you blaming him for Rooney's inability to stay on the field and do his job as an attacker?
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"But he can play anywhere"
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Whats that got to do with the Portugal game where Hargreaves was playing as the DM and still did more attacking than Gerrard and Lampard combined.
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TeamSpirit™ wrote:"But he can play anywhere"
Yes. That's not to say he's going to be the same attacking force he is usually if he's stuck at leftback, issit?
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Parks lives wrote:Whats that got to do with the Portugal game where Hargreaves was playing as the DM and still did more attacking than Gerrard and Lampard combined.
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TeamSpirit™ wrote:Gerrard did the usual - his goals covered up mediocre all round play in the centre, though he did track back well. Was better than Fwank, but that's not really saying much, is it?
Rio, Hargreaves, Crouch, J.Cole& maybe Gaz Neville were England's best players.
So essentially you agree that apart from rio, hargreaves, cole and crouch he was the best player.
Neville is very debatable, as I don't remember him doing anything at all at the world cup. But I'll be happy to hear what he did that makes you think he was one of the best players.
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So he was the 5th best player in a squad/team which was one of the worst at the World Cup. Especially in terms of status.
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Hahaha Joe Cole 
Scored one good goal and did fuck all else.
Exactly half of England's goals were either scored or created by Gerrard. Without Gerrard, you'd have gone out in the group stages.
Scored one good goal and did fuck all else.Exactly half of England's goals were either scored or created by Gerrard. Without Gerrard, you'd have gone out in the group stages.
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We may as well of done. Would of saved him the embarressment of the Portugal game.
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