Gerrard Given A Life Line?

Rez wrote:He had a good WC, because we didnt concede in any game he played in. As a defender he did his job perfectly, the rest of the defenders made a few mistakes against average players. So he had a good WC, the same way Cannavaro, had a good WC (well awesome as he won it), without facing any good strikers. So for example if the rest of the team performed to the level of Hargreaves and Ferdinand, we wouldnt have gone out in the QF.

but the same token england didn't conced in any game where gerrard was the defensive midfielder, so he also had a good world cup (while carrying lampard). He made very few mistakes as well. So by your reasoning gerrard already had a good world cup, then he went and scored 2 important goals

I say he was decent but are you now saying he was better than rio?

Rez wrote:Yeah Neville didnt play in many games, but after watching Carragher, even the biggest Neville haters were praying for him to return. The games he did play he did a good job, but nothing spectacular like Oddo.

Oh Yes. Carragher was poor against Sweden. Ljungberg & Kallstrom tore him a new arsehole each. Though he still wasn't as bad as the bus.

Rez wrote:Yeah Neville didnt play in many games, but after watching Carragher, even the biggest Neville haters were praying for him to return. The games he did play he did a good job, but nothing spectacular like Oddo.

Haha, Carragher was fucking awful.

I remember the game vs Jamaica where he played pretty well and some people (Liverpool fans) said he deserved his place.

So when Gerrard played as the defensive midfielder - did he come up against any genuine quality attacking midfielders/playmakers?

I guess in that respects you can say he had a good WC, but he wasnt half as good as he is for Liverpool, his 2 goals dont hide that fact. would you say Ronaldinho had a good WC, because Brazil scored lots of goals and he got 2/3 assits?

But if you go back to my original post, I was talking about him missing a penalty, not his performance. i said he let his country down by missing the penalty.

R Baggio had an awesome WC in 94, dragged his team to the final, but in the most important moment, he missed THE penalty and everything he had done before that had been wiped out. Footballs cruel that way, no one remebers him for getting his team to the final, just for that penalty miss.

So can you agree, that by missing ta pen, he let his country down?

TeamSpirit™ wrote:So when Gerrard played as the defensive midfielder - did he come up against any genuine quality attacking midfielders/playmakers?

But this is exactly the same argument as rio.

Rio played well against the players he came up against who weren't all that hot, and he had a great world cup.

Gerrard played well against the players he came up against who weren't all that hot, and he had a poor world cup.

All I can see here is that Gerrard had a decent world cup, adn now I've realised that rio wasn't all that hot.

Is this likely to go on much longer? We've moved onto Carragher now for fuck sakes... despite him playing at rightback and owning Didier "EMB Favourite" Drogba at the weekend...

Rio, made everything look easy he made the average strikers look even worse than they were Gerrard and flumps made these average players look like world beaters, thats the difference.

Rio's passing was dreadful throughout.

Obispo wrote:Is this likely to go on much longer? We've moved onto Carragher now for fuck sakes... despite him playing at rightback and owning Didier "EMB Favourite" Drogba at the weekend...

let them bicker obi.... it's a shocking thread but hilarious/(or tiresome?) all the same if you stay out of it and read all the agenda driven nonsense

Edit rez above being a prime example

COTR wrote:

Obispo wrote:Is this likely to go on much longer? We've moved onto Carragher now for fuck sakes... despite him playing at rightback and owning Didier "EMB Favourite" Drogba at the weekend...

let them bicker obi.... it's a shocking thread but hilarious/(or tiresome?) all the same if you stay out of it and read all the agenda driven nonsense

You can sense the fear... United fans suddenly realising that apart from a one off against us when we were shit, they've been terrible against the big teams and still have to travel to Anfield and Stamford bridge, not to mention away days at WHL, Woodison and in the derby.

Their grip (on reality) is slipping. Bless.

Obispo wrote:Rio's passing was dreadful throughout.

So was Gerrard's - Save for one to Beckham in the T & T game.

TeamSpirit wrote:

Obispo wrote:Rio's passing was dreadful throughout.

So was Gerrard's - Save for one to Beckham in the T & T game.

Yeah mate. Gerrard's passing was nothing on Jar Jar's.

Changed your tune, you was raving about Rio and criticise Gerrard in August.

Obispo wrote:

TeamSpirit wrote:

Obispo wrote:Rio's passing was dreadful throughout.

So was Gerrard's - Save for one to Beckham in the T & T game.

Yeah mate. Gerrard's passing was nothing on Jar Jar's.

Oh, so the Central Defender is meant to be the playmaker, dictate the pattern of play etc?

Oh dear.

Just because Carra had a better than Mediocre performance and Rio was below par for ONE weekend.

Obispo wrote:

TeamSpirit wrote:

Obispo wrote:Rio's passing was dreadful throughout.

So was Gerrard's - Save for one to Beckham in the T & T game.

Yeah mate. Gerrard's passing was nothing on Jar Jar's.

HOOF

@COTR

It started of as a cheeky response to Obis Gerrard comment. Stating Gerrard missed a penalty. 110% went of on one, I guess me and parky responded and took the bait.

@Obi

Yeah were bricking it, were going to lose all our away games and finish 5th like many suggested, Pool are going to storm through and win the 19th prem title, Jose and Fergie will leave there respective clubs and Liverpool will dominate the league for the next 10 years. It is written in the stars.

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Out of those 2 then it's Gerrard for me. Terry is poor at international level to begin with and whilst Gerrard may not be a magnificent captain in the Keane role, he's the one who can turn things around when England are losing.

If Chelsea are 3-0 down at half time I doubt Terry's screaming would pick up a team to come back. Gerrard leads by example in that respect.

I have no problem with Neville being the captain. He always performs well and whilst he won't pick-up the team in the same manner that Gerrard will, he won't make the stupid mistakes internationally that Terry does. He was not involved in this poll though, so I voted Gerrard, who as usual is getting a raw deal on here.

If you're picking a player for the captaincy based on international performances then only Rio really deserves a mention. He's the only one who's consistently good and possess the vocal leadership necessary. Rooney is more likely to tell his teammates to "f**k off" than he is to lend a helping hand at present. Whether or not him being handed the captaincy would change that is obviously debatable, but it's not a risk worth taking when he's still 20.

Again though, I maintain Gerrard is the best option available provided he performs as he does for Liverpool, atleast when our backs are against the wall. He's quiet and you can barely notice he's the captain when things are going well, but as both cup finals have proven - he's capable of a performance when it matters most.

Can the same be said of Terry?

Just because Carra had a better than Mediocre performance and Rio was below par for ONE weekend.

Perhaps you could inform us which team has the best defensive record in the league then T/S???

Or does Agger do it all by himself

10 men behind the ball though.

We attack teams as shown by the amount of goals we've scored.

Parks lives wrote:10 men behind the ball though.

We attack teams as shown by the amount of goals we've scored.

haha it's just so so easy....


spanky you are easily the most predictable poster on here

COTR wrote:

Just because Carra had a better than Mediocre performance and Rio was below par for ONE weekend.

Perhaps you could inform us which team has the best defensive record in the league then T/S???

Or does Agger do it all by himself

Best defensive unit.

Not the best defenders.

Or are Dellas & Tavaralidis world Class all of a sudden?

TeamSpirit wrote:

COTR wrote:

Just because Carra had a better than Mediocre performance and Rio was below par for ONE weekend.

Perhaps you could inform us which team has the best defensive record in the league then T/S???

Or does Agger do it all by himself

Best defensive unit.

Not the best defenders.

Or are Dellas & Tavaralidis world Class all of a sudden?

ah the old unit excuse. so he is mediocre within this unit and in front of him is the ill disciplined headless chicken and non tackling xabi alonso offering little protection while we sit back with ten men...

I love this thread

COTR wrote:

TeamSpirit wrote:

COTR wrote:

Just because Carra had a better than Mediocre performance and Rio was below par for ONE weekend.

Perhaps you could inform us which team has the best defensive record in the league then T/S???

Or does Agger do it all by himself

Best defensive unit.

Not the best defenders.

Or are Dellas & Tavaralidis world Class all of a sudden?

ah the old unit excuse. so he is mediocre within this unit and in front of him is the ill disciplined headless chicken and non tackling xabi alonso offering little protection while we sit back with ten men...

I love this thread

I'm not sure what has more cliché's on it... a Soccer Saturday episode or this thread.

And yes Pip, he was great at the world cup and no, Gerrard wasn't great, didn't stop him being one of England's better players and dragging you into the second round.

Are we back to taking the piss out Carragher now because he can't run the 100m's in 10 seconds or under? That lack of athleticism has been shown up on a few occasions in the past month, given that he's pocketed Defoe, Anelka and Drogba in that space of time. With no defensive midfielder infront of him.

Oh well.

So we can't mention he's crap for England then?

Parks lives wrote:So we can't mention he's crap for England then?

Yeah. Playing as a rightback...

Given you're the first to whine like a bitch when someone mentions how shit Scholes and Rooney were/are for England, you should stop making out as if Liverpool have a monopoly on poor internationals.

Or does the "they're out of position" arguement only apply if you like the players?

Never said it before but seems like an appropriate time to start


Spanky and T/S got PNWED

I haven't replied yet.

TeamSpirit wrote:I haven't replied yet.

Exactly..

unless you are preparing a monster for us

COTR wrote: ah the old unit excuse. so he is mediocre within this unit and in front of him is the ill disciplined headless chicken and non tackling xabi alonso offering little protection while we sit back with ten men...

I love this thread

Is this not your easiest run of fixtures this season? Obi was banging on about this time of the year right at the start.

Gerrard = Not convincing in the Centre against the *TOP* midfielders.

I didn't realise that Flumps, Moritz Volz or Kevin Nolan represented that. As for us, let's just say Zokora had a brain fade

I've said time & again that Ferguson relies moreon the natural abilities of his defenders more than other managers, like Barcelona.

I've never criticised Alonso's defensive strengths - so you're wrong about that in regards to my statements.

I understand that you're on a high after beating a depleted Chelsea at home in the league (at least we beat them at full strength ) but you're not 2 weeks removed from being thrashed by your 2nd team

Carragher > Terry. I don't think he's Intl. Class, but at least he can play in a high line.

And yet everyone's so keen to have a pop at Ferdinand even though he's had no proper DM's in front of him for 3 seasons!

KNEEJERK.