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TarunDang wrote:

chrissicross wrote:According to German newspapers Frings and his wife were in Turin yesterday.

Good news...he must've been there with his wife to look for a house

If you want Frings you better make a decent offer for him, 6m is laughable for a player like him.

10 m would do it and I would pay it , the best in that position that guy.

bluenine wrote:Or perhaps Juve will have to start getting used to the idea that the refree does not play for them anymore, and wrong decisions can go against them as well!!

TarunDang wrote:Guess Juve will have to contend with this treatment for some time to come

Good one bluenine...for the time being...you can say that as long as Inter is away from the scandal...but then news is rife with rumors that Inter might not be the angel it pretends to be. We shall see

BTW I am talk about the reformed Juve these days...the one we see today

And yes congratulations, enjoy the Scudetto. Next season it won't be a cake-walk like this one

chrissicross wrote:

TarunDang wrote:

chrissicross wrote:According to German newspapers Frings and his wife were in Turin yesterday.

Good news...he must've been there with his wife to look for a house

If you want Frings you better make a decent offer for him, 6m is laughable for a player like him.

I agree...6m is definitely too low for him. IMO 10m would be money well spent for his kind of talent

I actually find it funny to see Juve players throwing tantrums over a penalty decision not given in their favour... I don't know whether that was a penalty or not, I haven't seen it, but Juventus will have to realise that in football, sometimes refrees make mistakes that cost you...

Thankfully, the refrees nowadays wear black, without the white stripes Welcome to the world of fair football, Juventus!

TarunDang wrote:

bluenine wrote:Or perhaps Juve will have to start getting used to the idea that the refree does not play for them anymore, and wrong decisions can go against them as well!!

TarunDang wrote:Guess Juve will have to contend with this treatment for some time to come

Good one bluenine...for the time being...you can say that as long as Inter is away from the scandal...but then news is rife with rumors that Inter might not be the angel it pretends to be. We shall see

BTW I am talk about the reformed Juve these days...the one we see today

And yes congratulations, enjoy the Scudetto. Next season it won't be a cake-walk like this one

TarunDang wrote:

chrissicross wrote:

TarunDang wrote:

chrissicross wrote:According to German newspapers Frings and his wife were in Turin yesterday.

Good news...he must've been there with his wife to look for a house

If you want Frings you better make a decent offer for him, 6m is laughable for a player like him.

I agree...6m is definitely too low for him. IMO 10m would be money well spent for his kind of talent

Seems Valencia is now also interested to sign Frings. I wonder what they have to offer us...

bluenine wrote:I actually find it funny to see Juve players throwing tantrums over a penalty decision not given in their favour... I don't know whether that was a penalty or not, I haven't seen it, but Juventus will have to realise that in football, sometimes refrees make mistakes that cost you...

Thankfully, the refrees nowadays wear black, without the white stripes Welcome to the world of fair football, Juventus!

TarunDang wrote:

bluenine wrote:Or perhaps Juve will have to start getting used to the idea that the refree does not play for them anymore, and wrong decisions can go against them as well!!

TarunDang wrote:Guess Juve will have to contend with this treatment for some time to come

Good one bluenine...for the time being...you can say that as long as Inter is away from the scandal...but then news is rife with rumors that Inter might not be the angel it pretends to be. We shall see

BTW I am talk about the reformed Juve these days...the one we see today

And yes congratulations, enjoy the Scudetto. Next season it won't be a cake-walk like this one

That's what I meant when I said that Juve will have to contend with this kind of treatment. And that is because of whatever happened in the past. So Juve will now have to take it for a while till their reputation from the past is vindicated.
But at the same time it would be sad to see any fair claims being turned down, because that will mean that the problem with Il Calcio still persists.

And I am always for a fair & stronger Juve...the one that is being built nowadays

Thats not a Il Calcio specific problem... its a problem with football EVERYWHERE. Refree's made mistakes. Thats what I ve been trying to say, now that the refrees don't wear white stripes in their uniform, Juve will get their share of bad decisions too... You will have to deal with it.

TarunDang wrote:

bluenine wrote:I actually find it funny to see Juve players throwing tantrums over a penalty decision not given in their favour... I don't know whether that was a penalty or not, I haven't seen it, but Juventus will have to realise that in football, sometimes refrees make mistakes that cost you...

Thankfully, the refrees nowadays wear black, without the white stripes Welcome to the world of fair football, Juventus!

TarunDang wrote:

bluenine wrote:Or perhaps Juve will have to start getting used to the idea that the refree does not play for them anymore, and wrong decisions can go against them as well!!

TarunDang wrote:Guess Juve will have to contend with this treatment for some time to come

Good one bluenine...for the time being...you can say that as long as Inter is away from the scandal...but then news is rife with rumors that Inter might not be the angel it pretends to be. We shall see

BTW I am talk about the reformed Juve these days...the one we see today

And yes congratulations, enjoy the Scudetto. Next season it won't be a cake-walk like this one

That's what I meant when I said that Juve will have to contend with this kind of treatment. And that is because of whatever happened in the past. So Juve will now have to take it for a while till their reputation from the past is vindicated.
But at the same time it would be sad to see any fair claims being turned down, because that will mean that the problem with Il Calcio still persists.

And I am always for a fair & stronger Juve...the one that is being built nowadays

bluenine wrote:Thats not a Il Calcio specific problem... its a problem with football EVERYWHERE. Refree's made mistakes. Thats what I ve been trying to say, now that the refrees don't wear white stripes in their uniform, Juve will get their share of bad decisions too... You will have to deal with it.

TarunDang wrote:

bluenine wrote:I actually find it funny to see Juve players throwing tantrums over a penalty decision not given in their favour... I don't know whether that was a penalty or not, I haven't seen it, but Juventus will have to realise that in football, sometimes refrees make mistakes that cost you...

Thankfully, the refrees nowadays wear black, without the white stripes Welcome to the world of fair football, Juventus!

TarunDang wrote:

bluenine wrote:Or perhaps Juve will have to start getting used to the idea that the refree does not play for them anymore, and wrong decisions can go against them as well!!

TarunDang wrote:Guess Juve will have to contend with this treatment for some time to come

Good one bluenine...for the time being...you can say that as long as Inter is away from the scandal...but then news is rife with rumors that Inter might not be the angel it pretends to be. We shall see

BTW I am talk about the reformed Juve these days...the one we see today

And yes congratulations, enjoy the Scudetto. Next season it won't be a cake-walk like this one

That's what I meant when I said that Juve will have to contend with this kind of treatment. And that is because of whatever happened in the past. So Juve will now have to take it for a while till their reputation from the past is vindicated.
But at the same time it would be sad to see any fair claims being turned down, because that will mean that the problem with Il Calcio still persists.

And I am always for a fair & stronger Juve...the one that is being built nowadays

Well dude you seem to be too biased to understand this simple thing I said:
1. Nobody is denying that refs don't make mistakes...they are only human & it is an accepted part of the game & one has to learn to account for those & carry on

2. But Juve should not be targeted & decisions given more on bias than actual incidents just because of what happened in the past...they have paid for it & it's time to move on

Exactly my point, I don't think they are being targeted at all... its just another Yooway propaganda.... 1 penalty decision does not go in their favour, and all this crying about "we are being targeted by refrees"...

I don't know what targeting they are talking about - all I can remember is 2 penalty decisions not given in their favour in the entire season. Thats hardly "targeting", most clubs are denied more by refreeing mistakes.

"Targeting" my foot!! Deschamps should be focussing on Balzaretti's immaturity which cost Juve 2 points, not one refree decision!! I think Juve players should realise that Calciopoli is history and move on.

TarunDang wrote:

bluenine wrote:Thats not a Il Calcio specific problem... its a problem with football EVERYWHERE. Refree's made mistakes. Thats what I ve been trying to say, now that the refrees don't wear white stripes in their uniform, Juve will get their share of bad decisions too... You will have to deal with it.

TarunDang wrote:

bluenine wrote:I actually find it funny to see Juve players throwing tantrums over a penalty decision not given in their favour... I don't know whether that was a penalty or not, I haven't seen it, but Juventus will have to realise that in football, sometimes refrees make mistakes that cost you...

Thankfully, the refrees nowadays wear black, without the white stripes Welcome to the world of fair football, Juventus!

TarunDang wrote:

bluenine wrote:Or perhaps Juve will have to start getting used to the idea that the refree does not play for them anymore, and wrong decisions can go against them as well!!

TarunDang wrote:Guess Juve will have to contend with this treatment for some time to come

Good one bluenine...for the time being...you can say that as long as Inter is away from the scandal...but then news is rife with rumors that Inter might not be the angel it pretends to be. We shall see

BTW I am talk about the reformed Juve these days...the one we see today

And yes congratulations, enjoy the Scudetto. Next season it won't be a cake-walk like this one

That's what I meant when I said that Juve will have to contend with this kind of treatment. And that is because of whatever happened in the past. So Juve will now have to take it for a while till their reputation from the past is vindicated.
But at the same time it would be sad to see any fair claims being turned down, because that will mean that the problem with Il Calcio still persists.

And I am always for a fair & stronger Juve...the one that is being built nowadays

Well dude you seem to be too biased to understand this simple thing I said:
1. Nobody is denying that refs don't make mistakes...they are only human & it is an accepted part of the game & one has to learn to account for those & carry on

2. But Juve should not be targeted & decisions given more on bias than actual incidents just because of what happened in the past...they have paid for it & it's time to move on

bluenine wrote:Exactly my point, I don't think they are being targeted at all... its just another Yooway propaganda.... 1 penalty decision does not go in their favour, and all this crying about "we are being targeted by refrees"...

I don't know what targeting they are talking about - all I can remember is 2 penalty decisions not given in their favour in the entire season. Thats hardly "targeting", most clubs are denied more by refreeing mistakes.

"Targeting" my foot!! Deschamps should be focussing on Balzaretti's immaturity which cost Juve 2 points, not one refree decision!! I think Juve players should realise that Calciopoli is history and move on.

TarunDang wrote:

bluenine wrote:Thats not a Il Calcio specific problem... its a problem with football EVERYWHERE. Refree's made mistakes. Thats what I ve been trying to say, now that the refrees don't wear white stripes in their uniform, Juve will get their share of bad decisions too... You will have to deal with it.

TarunDang wrote:

bluenine wrote:I actually find it funny to see Juve players throwing tantrums over a penalty decision not given in their favour... I don't know whether that was a penalty or not, I haven't seen it, but Juventus will have to realise that in football, sometimes refrees make mistakes that cost you...

Thankfully, the refrees nowadays wear black, without the white stripes Welcome to the world of fair football, Juventus!

TarunDang wrote:

bluenine wrote:Or perhaps Juve will have to start getting used to the idea that the refree does not play for them anymore, and wrong decisions can go against them as well!!

TarunDang wrote:Guess Juve will have to contend with this treatment for some time to come

Good one bluenine...for the time being...you can say that as long as Inter is away from the scandal...but then news is rife with rumors that Inter might not be the angel it pretends to be. We shall see

BTW I am talk about the reformed Juve these days...the one we see today

And yes congratulations, enjoy the Scudetto. Next season it won't be a cake-walk like this one

That's what I meant when I said that Juve will have to contend with this kind of treatment. And that is because of whatever happened in the past. So Juve will now have to take it for a while till their reputation from the past is vindicated.
But at the same time it would be sad to see any fair claims being turned down, because that will mean that the problem with Il Calcio still persists.

And I am always for a fair & stronger Juve...the one that is being built nowadays

Well dude you seem to be too biased to understand this simple thing I said:
1. Nobody is denying that refs don't make mistakes...they are only human & it is an accepted part of the game & one has to learn to account for those & carry on

2. But Juve should not be targeted & decisions given more on bias than actual incidents just because of what happened in the past...they have paid for it & it's time to move on

You make me feel like laughing at your comments...but then I can understand where this hatred for Juve comes from
DD is not the only coach who's voicing his opinion against a refreeing decision, all coaches do it incl. the best around whenever they feel there was a mistake. Even that amateurish Mancini has done it.

And go back to what I wrote...'Juve should not be targeted...' It's just an opinion hoping that this does not happen & nothing else. So don't lose sleep over it buddy

I am not fond of Juve, that much is clear.

Yeah, I hope no one is "targeted" by refrees EVER. Its a very bad feeling to see your club lose again and again because of refreeing errors when you are chasing a title... we Inter fans know that feeling well.

Balzaretti: I didn’t insult referee Thursday 19 April, 2007

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Juve defender Federico Balzaretti has denied that he insulted referee Maurizio Ciampi during the match with Rimini on Tuesday.

The youngster was dismissed during the break of the 0-0 draw at the Stadio Olimpico after Bianconeri players questioned the man in ref’s decision not to award a penalty for an apparent foul on Pavel Nedved.

“I protested vehemently, but I did not insult anyone,” Balzaretti told Sky Italia.

“I deny that there was any insult towards the referee or his assistants. I did not badmouth him and made no blatant gestures,” added the stopper.

“I was sent off for our protests in the tunnel. I was set to make my return on the pitch for the second half, but our captain informed me that he had spoken with the referee and that I was not allowed to play anymore,” concluded Balzaretti.

The sporting judge handed a two-match ban to the defender, who will miss the crucial upcoming ties with Genoa and Verona.

How many more points are needed to secure Serie B promotion?

Is it true Juve might be relegated to Seria C?

Kaká wrote:How many more points are needed to secure Serie B promotion?

Juve needs to ensure they lead the table to qualify for automatic qualification. The teams placed immediately next will have to go through the play-offs to see who else goes to Serie A

chrissicross wrote:Is it true Juve might be relegated to Seria C?

Does not seem likely. The argument is that they cannot be tried or punished for the same crime again.

Here is an article that explains it further:

Juve: We have already paid Friday 20 April, 2007

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President Giovanni Cobolli Gigli has reiterated that Juventus have already paid the price for their involvement in the Calciopoli scandal.

The Bianconeri were stripped of their last two League titles and demoted to Serie B, with a nine-point penalty, after last summer’s trial.

However, the Italian Football Federation are now going over new evidence which has been uncovered by public prosecutors in Naples, fuelling rumours that the Old Lady may spend another summer of uncertainty.

“We are firmly convinced that we have paid all our debts with the sporting justice system and we will do all that is in our power to see this acknowledged,” said Cobolli Gigli.

“The Federal Court’s sentence and the following arbitration clarified that any misdemeanours of our former employees and managers during the 2004-05 season have already been judged and punished.

“We have paid a huge price, both because of the many important players who chose to leave and of the economic losses which hit the club.”

Former chief Franzo Grande Stevens also declared that he believes the Bianconeri are safe from further punishment.

“Juventus cannot go on trial again, the law says ‘ne bis in idem’ [you cannot be tried twice for the same offence],” he noted.

“The new facts are violations of Article 6 of the sporting code and Juventus have already been punished for this.

“The investigations have confirmed the existence of a system which was extraneous to the club’s Presidency and ownership, who in fact were never contacted over eight months, as proved by the transcripts of the phone tapping,” concluded Grande Stevens.

Okay, thanks. So the public prosecuter won´t charge Juve because of the new facts?

chrissicross wrote:Okay, thanks. So the public prosecuter won´t charge Juve because of the new facts?

The new facts that seem to have been unearthed again relate to the previous 2 seasons...for which Juve have already been stripped of the scudetto apart from being relegated & in all probabilities there could not be any further penalty for the same

Watching the Stuttgart-Bayern match, and the commentator said that Salihamidzic contract with Juventus may be null and void because there is a chance Juventus will end up in Serie C.

We've heard Juventus' claim that they already paid for their crimes this year, but with these new findings they may be in deeper hole.

If someone gets thrown in jail for let's say grand theft auto, and later is found that the individual is also guilty of other crimes surely the person will spend more time in jail.

Puro wrote:Watching the Stuttgart-Bayern match, and the commentator said that Salihamidzic contract with Juventus may be null and void because there is a chance Juventus will end up in Serie C.

We've heard Juventus' claim that they already paid for their crimes this year, but with these new findings they may be in deeper hole.

If someone gets thrown in jail for let's say grand theft auto, and later is found that the individual is also guilty of other crimes surely the person will spend more time in jail.

what other possible crimes can they be indicted for now

Juventus 3-1 Genoa
Juventus extended their lead to seven points after this comfortable triumph over second-placed Genoa. It was a real showdown between the top two teams in Serie B and Napoli were watching attentively to sneak into one of the automatic promotion spots. Juve hit the back of the net after three minutes, but the Del Piero goal was correctly disallowed for a offside position. Moments later Genoa also had a strike ruled out, but in this case Gasparetto appeared to be level. Both sides had penalty appeals for a Chiellini push on Gasparetto and Masiello’s handling offence.
The visitors had a very aggressive start, but it was Nedved who opened the scoring, although much of the credit goes to Del Piero. The captain performed some tricky footwork at the byline to shrug off defenders and cut back for Nedved to side-foot in from seven yards. Birindelli ballooned a good chance over, but Trezeguet incredibly managed two misses of the season in the space of five seconds. He sprung the offside trap in midfield and was clear on goal, but his lob was too weak and Rubinho batted it away. Del Piero picked up the loose ball and was shooting in front of a totally open goal when Trezeguet snatched it off his foot and fired wide! Del Piero did not disguise his irritation at this moment of selfishness from the Frenchman.
The Bianconeri went 2-0 up soon after, as Chiellini came from the back for a powerful free header, ignored by the Genoa defence. Genoa were in shock, but picked their heads up before the break to pull one back. Buffon managed to parry Rossi’s point-blank cutback, but could do nothing on former Juventus star Di Vaio’s finish under the bar.
Zebina risked a dismissal as he reacted furiously to a yellow card, slamming the ball into the ground and shouting at the referee. The French defender made up for the error by creating a fine goal for fellow countryman Trezeguet. Zebina ran between three players and rolled a pass through for Trez to slide in the finish. Birindelli and Camoranesi went off with injuries, then Buffon fingertipped a Di Vaio drive over the bar.
Scorers: Nedved 19 (J), Chiellini 38 (J), Di Vaio 45 (G), Trezeguet 66 (J)
Juventus: Buffon; Birindelli (Boumsong 59), Zebina, Legrottaglie, Chiellini; Camoranesi (Marchionni 67), Marchisio, Giannichedda, Nedved; Trezeguet, Del Piero (Zalayeta 91)
Genoa: Rubinho; Masiello, Stellini, Criscito; Juric, Milanetto (Galeoto 76), Botta (Coppola 41), Fabiano; Rossi (Leon 49), Gasparetto, Di Vaio
Ref: Morganti
Attendance: 21,953

Looks like Buffon is headed for an exit from Juve...at least his tone suggests the same.

Buffon misses Euro nights Monday 23 April, 2007

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Gianluigi Buffon has reiterated that he might leave Juventus in the summer, as playing in the Champions League remains his priority.

The world champion was one of the first to pledge his allegiance to the Bianconeri following their relegation to Serie B last summer.

But the Italy goalkeeper has made no secret since then that he would be willing to move to another side, as he needs new motivation.

“Juventus are a great club, founded 109 years ago, and many great champions have come and gone during those years,” said Buffon, who is currently in Malta for a charity event.

“If someone were to tell me that they would not survive without me, then I would stay forever, but I am sure they would remain strong even if I were to leave,” the 29-year-old told La Gazzetta dello Sport.

“I want to play the last five years of my career at the highest levels, that will make the difference in the next decisions I make. In the end, what I miss most is the chance to play in the Champions League.

“I will only discuss my future with my agent and the club’s management after we secure promotion. After we talk and agree to a decision, I will let you all know.”

The World Cup winner has been a reported transfer target for Inter, Milan and Real Madrid, although he believes that a move within Italy would be the most likely.

“I don’t see any foreign outfits who really need me. Chelsea have Petr Cech and the other clubs don’t invest much on goalkeepers,” said the former Parma man.

“Furthermore, England seems a bit sad to me and I don’t think it would be easy to adapt to life there.

“Barcelona and Real instead don’t seem to need new men and in any case I don’t think they would be willing to spend as much as Juve would ask for.

“Milan have just renewed Nelson Dida’s contract and Inter are not keen on making new signings, as Julio Cesar is doing very well.

“In any case, I believe that Italian clubs are the only ones who would be willing to invest the amount of money that Juve would want to let me leave,” concluded Buffon.

He was touted as one of the next big names in defence from Italy. I hope he does come true for Juve in the coming season.

Legrottaglie in good Nic Monday 23 April, 2007

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Nicola Legrottaglie has admitted that he is delighted to be finally giving his contribution to Juventus’ promotion push.

The former Chievo Verona defender has had a torrid time in Turin since his £6m arrival in 2003, but he’s now starting to prove himself.

After recovering from shoulder surgery earlier this term, the former Italian international has impressed in recent matches against firstly Rimini and now Genoa on Saturday.

“I’m still feeling good physically and I’m tranquil about my situation,” noted the 30-year-old. “At this present moment, I have a joy inside of me which is beyond description.”

Juventus took another step towards a Serie A return at the weekend with a 3-1 win over close rivals Genoa.

“The whole team did well against the Rossoblu, a strong rival who play some good football thanks to their Coach,” he continued. “They need to be applauded.”

The Turin giants are now seven points clear of Napoli and eight ahead of Genoa, but the stopper insists there is still work to be done.

“We have done a lot so far this season, but we can’t just sit back and relax now,” concluded the Bari-born defender.

Don't count on it. Legrottaglie is Cr@p, and not top club material. I am definate that Deschamps will go for some top defender in the summer, I don't see Juve taking a risk with Legrottaglie again....

He is probbaly good at this level..... and he was great at chievo. But defending for a club with scudetto ambitions is a different ball game.

bluenine wrote:Don't count on it. Legrottaglie is Cr@p, and not top club material. I am definate that Deschamps will go for some top defender in the summer, I don't see Juve taking a risk with Legrottaglie again....

He is probbaly good at this level..... and he was great at chievo. But defending for a club with scudetto ambitions is a different ball game.

But the fact that not many top defenders will be available to Juve as they won't be playing CL next season. Except for the Grygera signing I have not heard any big name being paired with Juve

We'll swap Dida for Buffon.

Don't know much about him...how do you rate this sergio almiron


Juventus close to Almiron Tuesday 24 April, 2007

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Juventus are in pole position to sign Empoli midfielder Sergio Almiron, confirmed the player’s agent Claudio Vagheggi.

The Argentine, who has been a key figure in Tuscany over the last two years, is wanted by several major clubs as recently confirmed by club President Fabrizio Corsi.

“At this moment in time Almiron is closer to Juventus than to other clubs,” said Vagheggi this afternoon.

“The Turin outfit has expressed its interest and has been more convincing than others, keeping constant contact with Empoli.

“Sergio however is also liked by Inter, who we will speak with shortly. In any case I want one thing to be clear, dismissing what was written on Tuttosport that the lad prefers Juventus.

“This is not true, Almiron is a professional, who is proud of being courted by so many important clubs.”

Vagheggi believes his client’s future could be with Inter, but that will probably depend on their other market moves.

“The player is valued at something between £3.5 and £7m, Juve are ready but we are considering other interesting offers as well, like the one from Inter,” he added.

“Sergio’s future with them depends on David Pizarro’s co-ownership. I think the Chilean will stay at Roma, so…don’t make me add anything else.”

Ringhio wrote:We'll swap Dida for Buffon.

With the Dida we are getting to see of late...that's a scary proposition

Buffon needs to shut up.

So, we are practically champions, it's all about building for next year. £85m in the kitty, talk of Villa £45m etc, almost impossible. We need strengthening to the spine WC CB-CM and CF. Frings will be a great signing, Almiron is a good creator, but he is no Diego. I want Palacio up front.