Carrick and Hargreaves or Kuyt and Bellamy

Wait and see. It ain't over till the fat lady sings...

For my money Hargreaves has done pretty well by Bayern. He could have tried to run his old contract down but he signed the new one, meaning that they get a lot more cash if they choose to sell.

If they obstruct him they're cutting off their noses to spite their face.

It's about Hargreaves, i dont really care what Bayern say. If Hargreaves wants this move enough he will make it happen

This is basically re-afirming what they said teh other day i don't think it makes nay difference only that Hargreaves will hand in a transfer request....

I also have the feeling that United are offereing a cash plus player deal prehaps with Silvestre i think Fergie's words were "we just need to find the vehicle to do the deal" or words to that effect

Official statement by Bayern (English)

Obispo wrote:Just sounds exactly like what every team says before the reluctantly sell that player.

Read the official statement by Bayern I posted above. I really don't think that this is any kind of tactics. I'm sure now that they won't sell him, it's about principle, seriously.

l r d wrote:It's about Hargreaves, i dont really care what Bayern say. If Hargreaves wants this move enough he will make it happen

stilian petrov also thought this... he is currently still at celtic

COTR wrote:

l r d wrote:It's about Hargreaves, i dont really care what Bayern say. If Hargreaves wants this move enough he will make it happen

stilian petrov also thought this... he is currently still at celtic

complete diff situation cotr. he really doesnt want to upset the fans, and nobody big is interested in him like he thought, just portsmouth. It isnt attractive like man utd. If man utd offered what pompey did for him and they rejected, i could see him making much more of a fuss than he has done.

Petrov's problem is that no club will meet celtic's valuation not that they are clinging onto him.

My prediction is that Bayern are lying they obviously have been in talks with United from Fergie's comments and Owen's for a number of weeks.

Whether they let him go or not is another matter but he will hand in a transfer request in the next few days

and what if united are not prepared to meet bayern's valuation??? hargreaves will have to stay... it's all in bayerns hands IMO

lrd, you really don't know who you are dealing with it seems. If Bayern don't want to sell him, like I have repeatedly said in the last few days, the transfer simply won't happen, even if it means putting Hagreaves on the bench for a year. Hargreaves can't do jack about it. Period.

blutgraetsche wrote:

Obispo wrote:Just sounds exactly like what every team says before the reluctantly sell that player.

Read the official statement by Bayern I posted above. I really don't think that this is any kind of tactics. I'm sure now that they won't sell him, it's about principle, seriously.

Yeah. Clubs lie. True story

It is not certain that any deal will happen. But Bayern denying it don't mean it's game over.

COTR wrote:and what if united are not prepared to meet bayern's valuation??? hargreaves will have to stay... it's all in bayerns hands IMO

Cotr were they not gonna sell him to boro a few years ago for 12 million, the valuation can not go change so much he hasnt changed that much.
We offer around 15 this is enough. they just dont want to sell the price is right. Eventually it's down to hargreaves, if he just accepts it then it wont happen. but i dont think he will. Hes been there 8 years already, his mind is set on leaving quite clearly from what he has said.
I'm sure rio neville etc told him how good it will be, he has spoken to ferguson you wont be able to change his mind.

blutgraetsche wrote:lrd, you really don't know who you are dealing with it seems. If Bayern don't want to sell him, like I have repeatedly said in the last few days, the transfer simply won't happen, even if it means putting Hagreaves on the bench for a year. Hargreaves can't do jack about it. Period.

A player who has been there 8 years, bayern will deny him his dream move, lose 20 mill euro, and just sit him on the bench? dont be silly bayern are not that stupid

Roger_Hunt wrote:
Yeah. Clubs lie. True story

It is not certain that any deal will happen. But Bayern denying it don't mean it's game over.

Clubs lie, but you can be sure that if Bayern releases an official statement to the press, they mean it. Like I said, the management, especially Hoeness, is old school, and this is all about principle. Bayern can be extremely stubborn if needed.

@ LRD... you are placing too much weight on what hargreaves wants

--- does he want to go to man u.... yes it seems so

--- will he be overly dissappointed to stay in germany.... maybe at the start but it won't take him long to get over it..

i see your point but i think bayern have the control and final say on the matter

l r d wrote:
A player who has been there 8 years, bayern will deny him his dream move, lose 20 mill euro, and just sit him on the bench? dont be silly bayern are not that stupid

Actually, I can see that happening, no matter what he has done for the club, because they are pissed off about Hargreaves contacting United at all, and saying the things he said publicly. But knowing Hargreaves, it won't be necessary anyway, because he is professional enough to know that it would hurt him more than the club if he doesn't give 100%.

See my point above blutgraetsche - don't you think Hargreaves has played fair by at least signing the new contract so BM can get some cash for him? He could just have run his old contract out.

It's more like Torres at AM or Carrick at Spurs than Gallas/Cole imo.

blutgraetsche wrote:

Roger_Hunt wrote:
Yeah. Clubs lie. True story

It is not certain that any deal will happen. But Bayern denying it don't mean it's game over.

Clubs lie, but you can be sure that if Bayern releases an official statement to the press, they mean it. Like I said, the management, especially Hoeness, is old school, and this is all about principle. Bayern can be extremely stubborn if needed.

The official statement means jack to me, Hargreaves as we have seen in the papers was escorted to carrington for talks with Ferguson on thursday morning of that tehre is no doubt.

By now Bayern would have fielded an official complanit to FIFA that United had been tapping him up if they had not agreed permission for United to speak to Hargreaves

Hargreaves said himself the offer from united is "fantastic" meaning they must have gon ethrough Bayern to talk to him, owen wouldn't be that stupid as to incriminate United of tapping up.

The way i see it they may not want to let him go and are playing Hard ball but the fact is they are waiting to see how much United will offer otherwise they wouldn't have given them permission to speak to Hargreaves. Ferguson said himself that United have been in talks with Bayern for teh last few weeks and that they had so far been unsuccesful.

I think we can guarentee here that they have had an approach from United and are trying to squeeze the most money possible out of United. In their statement they say they have had no offers for him this is obviously not true.

Roger_Hunt wrote:See my point above blutgraetsche - don't you think Hargreaves has played fair by at least signing the new contract so BM can get some cash for him? He could just have run his old contract out.

It's more like Torres at AM or Carrick at Spurs than Gallas/Cole imo.

When he signed his new contract, he was not being named MOTM for England, on the contrary, the 'fans' were booing him and demanded him to be kicked out of the squad. Even during the WC, Hoeness had to defend his player against the English press that were giving him so much stick it was unreal. So when he signed his contract, he didn't do it to help the club, he did it for himself.

And Roger, seriously, Bayern are no selling club, so why should he "help" them anyway? They simply don't sell their key players. Just tell me one example of Bayern selling an important player with a valid contract against his will. Just one.

poiuy1, Hoeness said that even if Manu offers 50 million Euros, Bayern won't sell him. It really doesn't get more clear than that. What do you expect the Bayern staff to do next? Sue Manu?

i'm not saying that they will let him go, i'm pointing out the fact that they have obviously shown some co-operation in the fact that we have spoken to Hargreaves you would think if they won't let him go for all the money in the world they would have refused us permission to talk to him and now wuld be fielding a complaint to FIFA

No, report them to the authorities... tapping-up is an offence.

They didn't field an official complaint, because a) that was not necessary so far and b) the Manu management and Bayern management usually get along well according to various sources, both English and German.

Only if Manu continues the talks with Hagreaves after this official stament, I can see them field a complaint. But it simply was not necessary so far.

Javier Mascherano could be available in January..

.. He's only staying at Corinthians at the moment because he owes the club and fans -- for them to get out of the current predicament they are in.


If only United could get a deal with Corinthians for a possible transfer in January...

i don't agree would Hargreaves be so stupid as to come out and say teh offer from United is fantastic if he hadn't been allowed to speak to United, i don't think so

Doesnt look like Bayern are going to let him go.