blutgraetsche wrote:gone wrote:
I don't think anyone is saying that Germany didn't have great individual talents. But, for example, in 82 France had better individuals but Germany won because of your team spirit. And the examples could continue (2002).
"Better" is a very subjective judgement here. We had the likes of Breitner, Rummenigge, Littbarski, Matthäus, Stielike, Kaltz, Fischer in our side in 1982, some of them are all time greats. You have a point when you mention 2002, but that was an exception. The truly successfull Germany sides were full of brilliant individuals.
But like I said, you need both, great individuals and team spirit to be successful.
blutgraetsche wrote:Pele overlooking the wind up part of your post, Ballack is not overrated, especially not in international football. You watch his matches in his first season in the Prem and believe to have seen it all. Watch a few matches for die Mannschaft (e.g. against the Czechs), and you will understand how important and absolutely class he is. Frings and Ballack have a blind understanding, it'll be very difficult to find a better central midfield partnership in the world, and that's not exaggerating.
Ballack is rated, if anything, Frings is underrated.
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The greatest myth in international football is that Germany always lack individual class, and make up for it with team spirit, organisation and mental strenght. Sorry, but we have produced some of the best talent this sport has ever seen, on all positions that is. The best German national teams always had both, brilliant individuals and team spirit. To be successful, you need both.
TeamSpirit™ wrote:Aye - I think people only remember Wiese's cock-up vs. Juve that dumped Bremen out of the CL last year - ignoring that he was absolutly sensational in the 92 mins prior to that.
blutgraetsche wrote:Yeah, that match against Ajax was unbelievable. He saved our arse, as he has so often. We should have lost that match 10-1.
blutgraetsche wrote:TeamSpiritwrote:Aye - I think people only remember Wiese's cock-up vs. Juve that dumped Bremen out of the CL last year - ignoring that he was absolutly sensational in the 92 mins prior to that.
Yeah, that's true. And they seem to forget his age also. He is young for a goalie still, and he learned from that mistake and grew as a player. He is better now than he has ever been.
Making such a mistake and becoming stronger afterwards is what makes great players great. He has everything to become a true great.
Dark Savant wrote:Wiese imo is better then Robinson at the moment.
I didnt tried to be diplomatic , for me Enke Hildebrand are better then Robinsonblutgraetsche wrote:Pele said in another thread that even his aunt is better than Robinson Bilal, so I really salute you for your very diplomatic words.
blutgraetsche wrote:Unlike Tottenham, Werder has qualified for the CL three times in a row now, and most probably will qualify again this season.
Blasphemy.
blutgraetsche wrote:Wiese >>>>>>>>>>>>> your aunt >>>>>>>>>>>>>> any English keeper.
Truest of the true stories.
Amazing woman my auntDark Savant wrote:And add Weidenfeller name to the keepers better then Robinson.
blutgraetsche wrote:Dark Savant wrote:And add Weidenfeller name to the keepers better then Robinson.
Add Adler and Neuer, too.
I Am Weasel wrote:
Hmm, maybe,
but then:
My Aunt's cooking >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> German wienerschnitzel, saeurkraut, bratwurst, indeed any german "food".
Truest of true stories
I Am Weasel wrote:
Spurs > Werder Bremen.
You'll see by the end of the UEFA cup when they play each other in the final.
Robbo will loop a free kick over Wiese's head. Thats how he deals with the competition. True Story
borocooper wrote:Werder >>>> Spurs
blutgraetsche wrote:True fucking story todo, but Germany have never lost against Bolivia, Ecuador and Colombia.
Mega fucking true story.
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