FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

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Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by Rosy Sat May 19, 2007 6:56 pm

Rez wrote:Kimbo it is indeed a great logic. However this isnt going anywhere as I dont have any crayons and paper, to explain the rationale behind my original statement.

What about the stats? They don't support your view, Man U had slightly more of the ball but passing around the back and around the half way line counts for nothing.

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Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by Rosy Sat May 19, 2007 7:01 pm

Having watched Arsenal shade a game 29 shots to 1 and still lose 1-0 the value of shading a game would appear to be over-rated

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Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by Liverpool 0 - 1 Man U Sat May 19, 2007 7:02 pm

Second time you've bumped that now COTR, did the posters on that thread get to you? Laugh

It just isn't relevant. That match today isn't even comparable to the horror that was the CL SF.

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Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by Kimbo Sat May 19, 2007 7:02 pm

Rosy wrote:

Rez wrote:Kimbo it is indeed a great logic. However this isnt going anywhere as I dont have any crayons and paper, to explain the rationale behind my original statement.

What about the stats? They don't support your view, Man U had slightly more of the ball but passing around the back and around the half way line counts for nothing.

Exactly, the stats back me up. It was 50-50 until Chelsea produced a bit of top class football which they deserved to win the game from. <Ale>

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Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by COTR Sat May 19, 2007 7:06 pm

OwenThomas4 wrote:Second time you've bumped that now COTR, did the posters on that thread get to you?

It just isn't relevant. That match today isn't even comparable to the horror that was the CL SF.

true

the first 45 minutes in particular where much much worse

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Post n°306

Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by DeLux Sat May 19, 2007 7:13 pm

'What's wrong with 4-4-2?' Motson
'His limp's more pronounced now he's coming off' Lawro

If I was there I would've thrown them off the gantry.

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Post n°307

Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by Rosy Sat May 19, 2007 7:14 pm

Kimbo wrote:

Rosy wrote:

Rez wrote:Kimbo it is indeed a great logic. However this isnt going anywhere as I dont have any crayons and paper, to explain the rationale behind my original statement.

What about the stats? They don't support your view, Man U had slightly more of the ball but passing around the back and around the half way line counts for nothing.

Exactly, the stats back me up. It was 50-50 until Chelsea produced a bit of top class football which they deserved to win the game from.

Yes, at least it was a piece of top class football and not some unspeakable luck. That's one good thing to cherish about the game.

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Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by Rosy Sat May 19, 2007 7:16 pm

Samba de Baiano wrote:'What's wrong with 4-4-2?' Motson
'His limp's more pronounced now he's coming off' Lawro

If I was there I would've thrown them off the gantry.

I think Lawro should have been made to stand on the pitch and have Wes Brown scythe him down and see how well he walked around afterwards.

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Post n°309

Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by Rez Sat May 19, 2007 7:28 pm

Rosy wrote:

Rez wrote:Kimbo it is indeed a great logic. However this isnt going anywhere as I dont have any crayons and paper, to explain the rationale behind my original statement.

What about the stats? They don't support your view, Man U had slightly more of the ball but passing around the back and around the half way line counts for nothing.

Rosy, my orignal point was that I said Kimbo, Pool fans and Pierre made statements which were clouded by personal bias. Kimbo denies this, so I point to the fact that the impartial members of the message board all had different opinions to them. Somehow he failed to comprehend, this simple logic, the stats you have just mentioned have nothing to do with the original argument.

Oh congratulations on the win, looking forward to next season.

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Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by Kimbo Sat May 19, 2007 7:31 pm

Rez wrote:

Rosy wrote:

Rez wrote:Kimbo it is indeed a great logic. However this isnt going anywhere as I dont have any crayons and paper, to explain the rationale behind my original statement.

What about the stats? They don't support your view, Man U had slightly more of the ball but passing around the back and around the half way line counts for nothing.

Rosy, my orignal point was that I said Kimbo, Pool fans and Pierre made statements which were clouded by personal bias. Kimbo denies this, so I point to the fact that the impartial members of the message board all had different opinions to them. Somehow he failed to comprehend, this simple logic, the stats you have just mentioned have nothing to do with the original argument.

Oh congratulations on the win, looking forward to next season.

Because your logic is bullshit. The "impartial" members are "impartial" because they agree with your view.

Bring up an example of something i've said that is wrong.

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Post n°311

Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by Rosy Sat May 19, 2007 7:36 pm

Rez wrote:

Rosy wrote:

Rez wrote:Kimbo it is indeed a great logic. However this isnt going anywhere as I dont have any crayons and paper, to explain the rationale behind my original statement.

What about the stats? They don't support your view, Man U had slightly more of the ball but passing around the back and around the half way line counts for nothing.

Rosy, my orignal point was that I said Kimbo, Pool fans and Pierre made statements which were clouded by personal bias. Kimbo denies this, so I point to the fact that the impartial members of the message board all had different opinions to them. Somehow he failed to comprehend, this simple logic, the stats you have just mentioned have nothing to do with the original argument.

Oh congratulations on the win, looking forward to next season.

Thankyou, there is always next season to look forward to. I think my point was really that you can't identify who the impartial posters are so you can only really rely on stats in such a close game. Whilst you can say that the vast majority of Liverpool and Man U supporters hate eachother's teams, lots of others have a preference which may cloud their judgement. You do of course get supporters of each club who give a perfectly balanced view of the game. Like me Wink

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Post n°312

Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by Rez Sat May 19, 2007 7:36 pm

COTR wrote:

COTR wrote:http://europeanboard.ephpbb.com/European-Board-c2/European-Cups-f5/ht-hanging-from-a-stick-t9004.htm

It's all about tastes but I won't rethink my reasons behind watching football just because I liked the way Man U liked to take risks rather then forcing themselves to be unimaginative and sticking to a rigid game plan.
You say it's about results over theater but there is a reason why people got more excited about Man U - Milan then Liverpool - Chelsea and that reason promotes the game and takes it to new audiences.

Remember this owen

Bump

You seemed to enjoy this thread as well Rez

Not so easy to play well against chelsea after all is it

the only difference is we actually won

We were poor today, but you cant compare todays game with that match. The first 45 minutes was like a friendly, 45-65 was good and the rest was pretty rubbish. However we didnt spend 120 minutes punting the ball and there were even some flicks, feints and even a one two in the match. It was a poor match, but the actual quality of football was decent.

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Post n°313

Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by Rosy Sat May 19, 2007 7:50 pm

Rosy wrote:

Rez wrote:Kimbo it is indeed a great logic. However this isnt going anywhere as I dont have any crayons and paper, to explain the rationale behind my original statement.

What about the stats? They don't support your view, Man U had slightly more of the ball but passing around the back and around the half way line counts for nothing.

Oops I misread the stats, Chelsea had slightly more possession but Man U had slightly better territorial advantage presumably because Chelsea did a lot of passing it around the back four. I think it's safe to say that neither team had the edge over the first 116 minutes.

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Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by Rez Sat May 19, 2007 7:51 pm

Kimbo wrote:

Rez wrote:

Rosy wrote:

Rez wrote:Kimbo it is indeed a great logic. However this isnt going anywhere as I dont have any crayons and paper, to explain the rationale behind my original statement.

What about the stats? They don't support your view, Man U had slightly more of the ball but passing around the back and around the half way line counts for nothing.

Rosy, my orignal point was that I said Kimbo, Pool fans and Pierre made statements which were clouded by personal bias. Kimbo denies this, so I point to the fact that the impartial members of the message board all had different opinions to them. Somehow he failed to comprehend, this simple logic, the stats you have just mentioned have nothing to do with the original argument.

Oh congratulations on the win, looking forward to next season.

Because your logic is bullshit. The "impartial" members are "impartial" because they agree with your view.

Bring up an example of something i've said that is wrong.

Kimbo first go and read through the previous posts and look at the origin of my response to Agooners post and how the issue has evolved into this. Hopefully this will have clarified why I have written what I have.

Everytime united are involved, I can usually tell you beforehand what certain posters opinions will be.

They are impartial because they dont have a natural affinty towards deriding united.

Seriously how hard is it to understand, I have clearly outlined from the beginning that impartial members are everyone apart from the usual detractors.

Kimbo this is becoming tiresome and its degenerated into a pointless argument, which I have no formal interest in taking part in. However if you feel, that you need to save 'face', please feel free to write away and carry on without me.

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Post n°315

Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by Rez Sat May 19, 2007 7:55 pm

Rosy wrote:

Rez wrote:

Rosy wrote:

Rez wrote:Kimbo it is indeed a great logic. However this isnt going anywhere as I dont have any crayons and paper, to explain the rationale behind my original statement.

What about the stats? They don't support your view, Man U had slightly more of the ball but passing around the back and around the half way line counts for nothing.

Rosy, my orignal point was that I said Kimbo, Pool fans and Pierre made statements which were clouded by personal bias. Kimbo denies this, so I point to the fact that the impartial members of the message board all had different opinions to them. Somehow he failed to comprehend, this simple logic, the stats you have just mentioned have nothing to do with the original argument.

Oh congratulations on the win, looking forward to next season.

Thankyou, there is always next season to look forward to. I think my point was really that you can't identify who the impartial posters are so you can only really rely on stats in such a close game. Whilst you can say that the vast majority of Liverpool and Man U supporters hate eachother's teams, lots of others have a preference which may cloud their judgement. You do of course get supporters of each club who give a perfectly balanced view of the game. Like me

You are one of the more impartial posters on here (I dont include myself, in this section) and for that I congratulate you, as it is difficult to maintin, a impartiality on a message board that is based around personal agendas, knee jerk reactions and hype.

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Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by Rosy Sat May 19, 2007 8:10 pm

"You are one of the more impartial posters on here (I dont include myself, in this section) and for that I congratulate you, as it is difficult to maintin, a impartiality on a message board that is based around personal agendas, knee jerk reactions and hype."

Football wouldn't be the same without hype. What would the England team do without hype? Ans: they might do a bit better Smile

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Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by Hardrada Sat May 19, 2007 8:50 pm

Agooner wrote:

Cesc wrote:Well done Chelsea.

Two pieces of silverware still means it is a very good season for me.

has mourinho ever lost a final?

He lost the Portuguese Cup Final in 2004, the season he won the league and CL with them. So he missed out on the treble.

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Post n°318

Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by Rosicky Sat May 19, 2007 9:21 pm

ashley cole now has 4 fa cup winners medal Yikes

!!!

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Post n°319

Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by shazlx Sat May 19, 2007 10:14 pm

I only saw the 90mins and the highlights of the rest and I thought the match was pretty even with ManU creating slightly more dangerous moments but Chelsea creating slightly more real chances. Great goal and great great assist by Lampard but the goal was clearly the fault of Rio who was ball watching Drogba's initial pass to Lampard instead of watching and following Drogba after the pass. It's a shame for him because previous to that incident he was flawless and was the best defender in the match.

THe 1st 45 mins of the game was v`boring with both teams unwilling to attack. Chelsea had some good possession and were too unadventurous, particularly Mikel who was too happy too pass backwards instead of moving forward or trying something difficult. Thiss isn't helped by the lack of talent from Lampard who probably had one of his better games (from what I've seen) but he still tried to take players on unnecessarily and consequently lost the ball often. Niether of Scholes' or Carrick's short passing (particularly Carrick) is good enough when they come up against a good midfield and this showed today. However, both their long passing (particularly Scholes) was very good today. IMO Makalele was the most creative CM in the 1st have which tells its own story.

J.Cole was probably the best player on the pitch in the 2st half and his substitution was very strange. SWP and Robben both had good games but did not produce anything substantial. C.Ronaldo and Giggs/Fletcher (whoever was supposed to have played on the other wing) both had bad matches and once again C.Ronaldo's lack of vision and passing ability has shown to seriously limit his effectiveness when he actually plays against decent F-Backs. Giggs once again shows how overrated he has been in his whole career. He is/was world class dribbler but his passing/crossing ability has been limited throughout including most of this season where he has shown his best vision and passing range.

I see a lot of people blaming Chelsea for making the game too defensive which I think is unfair. They did play too defensive especially Mikel and Bridge but IMO you can't blame Chelsea completely for the defensive show simply because Arsenal have shown it is possible to play football against them in the CC final. ManU were also very happy to sit back because they knew that Scholes is excellent with long passing and he could just launch ball after ball to to C.Ronaldo and Rooney. If ManU were braver then maybe they would have let Fletcher play CM and put Scholes on the right and let him play RM like Beckam.

I thought Rooney played very well as and lone sticker, he was isolated a lot abut still caused dangerous moments. Lampard and Drogba and Cech also played well. Essien was exposed as a CM playing as a CD more than usual however Ferriera (sp.) played mostly good except for a few incidents. MOTM (for the 90 mins) was Makalele.

BTW Giggs did foul Cech for the non-goal where the ball did cross the line.

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Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by Deluded F*ck™ Sat May 19, 2007 10:20 pm

Lucas Deano Neill wrote:Still it was better than Tottenham...that's one consolation...

I lied, Tottenham are actually good to watch.

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Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by Deano Sat May 19, 2007 10:22 pm

TeamSpirit wrote:

Lucas Deano Neill wrote:Still it was better than Tottenham...that's one consolation...

I lied, Tottenham are actually good to watch.

Ahh f@ck, 16 pages and you found it Laughing

I quickly copyright this quote so it can't be used as a sig Ale

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Post n°322

Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by COTR Sat May 19, 2007 10:23 pm

Rez wrote:

Rosy wrote:

Rez wrote:Kimbo it is indeed a great logic. However this isnt going anywhere as I dont have any crayons and paper, to explain the rationale behind my original statement.

What about the stats? They don't support your view, Man U had slightly more of the ball but passing around the back and around the half way line counts for nothing.

Rosy, my orignal point was that I said Kimbo, Pool fans and Pierre made statements which were clouded by personal bias. Kimbo denies this, so I point to the fact that the impartial members of the message board all had different opinions to them. Somehow he failed to comprehend, this simple logic, the stats you have just mentioned have nothing to do with the original argument.

Oh congratulations on the win, looking forward to next season.

and what. yours isn't Rez Laughing

all we said was it was a very equal game

hardly controversial given both the nature of the game and the stats to back it up

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Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by Deluded F*ck™ Sat May 19, 2007 10:24 pm

A small adjustment in Grammar - and I'll still use it Ale

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Post n°324

Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by S4P Sat May 19, 2007 10:28 pm

shazlx wrote:Great goal and great great assist by Lampard but the goal was clearly the fault of Rio who was ball watching Drogba's initial pass to Lampard instead of watching and following Drogba after the pass.

shhhhhhhhhhhhhh, you can't say things like that on here

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Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by Deluded F*ck™ Sat May 19, 2007 10:30 pm

Even Handed game - whilst United tried - I repeat tried to impose that free-flowing style on Chelsea, it just didn't work.

Ryan Giggs probably just endured the inverse moment of Villa Park '99.

Poor game on the whole - but what about Droggy eh?!

4 Finals, 5 goals!

Queen Chairwee Onree still hasn't scored in one yet... 0-for-7 Razz

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Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by Deluded F*ck™ Sat May 19, 2007 10:31 pm

S4P2 wrote:

shazlx wrote:Great goal and great great assist by Lampard but the goal was clearly the fault of Rio who was ball watching Drogba's initial pass to Lampard instead of watching and following Drogba after the pass.

shhhhhhhhhhhhhh, you can't say things like that on here

Oh, because stopping a 2 v 1, give & go, is such an easy thing to do. Rolling Eyes

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Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by COTR Sat May 19, 2007 10:32 pm

TeamSpirit wrote:Even Handed game - whilst United tried - I repeat tried to impose that free-flowing style on Chelsea, it just didn't work.

Ryan Giggs probably just endured the inverse moment of Villa Park '99.

Poor game on the whole - but what about Droggy eh?!

4 Finals, 5 goals!

Queen Chairwee Onree still hasn't scored in one yet... 0-for-7

The goal was all about THE FLUMP

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Post n°328

Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by S4P Sat May 19, 2007 10:36 pm

And by the way TS, does Mikel count as a UNIT yet?

The man's a beast. Nice to see him just bump Scholes off him, when Scholes was having a little nibble at his ankles.

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Post n°329

Re: FA Cup Final: Chelsea v Manchester United

by Deluded F*ck™ Sat May 19, 2007 10:41 pm

S4P2 wrote:And by the way TS, does Mikel count as a UNIT yet?

The man's a beast. Nice to see him just bump Scholes off him, when Scholes was having a little nibble at his ankles.

Seems quite strong - but it his sheer composure that stands out for me. But your probably right - if you put Essien's style of play & mentality in Mikels body, he'd be in the UNIT hall-of-fame, no doubt.

Never doubted his talent - just his attitude & application. Jose seems to have sorted him right out over the course of this season. Bye-bye Maka.

@ COTR - Every dog has it's day I guess... seeing Lampard pass in that position is about as rare as seeing Carragher score Razz