Bundesliga summer transfers 2007

Fey wrote:Why is he leaving AZ in the first place Wants to play more?

He fears the competition at AZ, and thinks the grass is greener at the other side . Yes, that's because only AZ has competition for places.
Really, if this is the real reason, he doesn't have big player mentality - running away instead of proving yourself and starting with a head start no less.

DD wrote:

Fey wrote:Why is he leaving AZ in the first place Wants to play more?

He fears the competition at AZ, and thinks the grass is greener at the other side . Yes, that's because only AZ has competition for places.
Really, if this is the real reason, he doesn't have big player mentality - running away instead of proving yourself and starting with a head start no less.

f@ck AAAAZET anyway, they ask 7 million for that dude He doest have a winner mentality, just look how he played in those last important matches for Az. He wont make it at Feyenoord, its like a sharkpool!!

@chrissi

Don't buy VW cars, don't support Wolfsburg (the club)!

@Wiebke
But Hinkel does want to play for the Mannschaft again though, as discussed earlier in this thread. And Magath always rated "his" player.

But yeah, hopefully he stays in Sevilla.

Fey wrote:

DD wrote:

Fey wrote:Why is he leaving AZ in the first place Wants to play more?

He fears the competition at AZ, and thinks the grass is greener at the other side . Yes, that's because only AZ has competition for places.
Really, if this is the real reason, he doesn't have big player mentality - running away instead of proving yourself and starting with a head start no less.

f@ck AAAAZET anyway, they ask 7 million for that dude He doest have a winner mentality, just look how he played in those last important matches for Az. He wont make it at Feyenoord, its like a sharkpool!!

f@ck off, Newcastle? PSV? He both scored the winning goals in both matches. f@ck off about him not having a winners mentality. Not giving Koevermans the trust he deserves is like Heerenveen saying to Alves, you are not guarenteed first choice, Friend could be a better choice.

Koevermans is topscorer for AZ, he deserves faith he isn't getting. The man is 28, he became a professional very late and it isn't weird he wants a guarenteed spot in the fall of his career. I hope he goes to Stuttgart, he deserves CL football.

blutgraetsche wrote:@chrissi

Don't buy VW cars, don't support Wolfsburg (the club)!

@Wiebke
But Hinkel does want to play for the Mannschaft again though, as discussed earlier in this thread. And Magath always rated "his" player.

But yeah, hopefully he stays in Sevilla.

Yeah--but playing for Wolfsburg and coming back after just one season...? No... I really can't see that happen. Especially since the German fraction in Spain is actually growing and, and I guess that's more important: He genuinely likes both the town and the club. It's one thing not many people have commented on, but I think that for the first time in a long time, he's actually feeling happy (the games on the bench notwithstanding). It's just a hunch I have and nothing I can really prove (other than by showing pictures of him back in Stuttgart from just before he left and now), but I think his body language has changed a lot, in the sense that his self-confidence is returning. From what I could gather from the live ticker and from what someone who watched the game told me, he actually got forward quite a bit last weekend--which is something to be mentioned these days as he used to mainly focus on defending and getting back to where he was in that department.

Also: Who knows, Alves might leave for real this summer...

Oh, and remember how David Odonkor got in the national squad? Nothing's impossible...

Wiebke, what do the Stuttgart fans think about the possible signing of Koevermans?

Opinions range from 'no... we don't need a player like him' to indifferent to 'yeah, well, he seems okay' to 'hmmm... I'd rather see us sign Alves'.

anglophileHedgehog wrote:Opinions range from 'no... we don't need a player like him' to indifferent to 'yeah, well, he seems okay' to 'hmmm... I'd rather see us sign Alves'.

Well. you can take Alves out of your mind unless you are willing to splash the cash.

He will be a star in the bundesliga.

Stuttgart´s manager Heldt confirmed today Stuttgart is interested to sign Ewerthon from Real Saragossa...

Ewerthon is a good idea, but may be a tough signing to pull off if Zaragoza lose Diego Milito.

kas wrote:Ewerthon is a good idea, but may be a tough signing to pull off if Zaragoza lose Diego Milito.

What do you think Zaragoza would demand for Ewerthon?

No idea. Maybe 5 million? He hasn't had as good a year this time as he did last season, so maybe that will be good from Stuttgart's perspective.

kas wrote:No idea. Maybe 5 million? He hasn't had as good a year this time as he did last season, so maybe that will be good from Stuttgart's perspective.

Yeah, probably...on transfermarkt.de he is still valued with 12m Euro though, but 5m should be okay for Stuttgart.

chrissicross wrote:

kas wrote:No idea. Maybe 5 million? He hasn't had as good a year this time as he did last season, so maybe that will be good from Stuttgart's perspective.

Yeah, probably...on transfermarkt.de he is still valued with 12m Euro though, but 5m should be okay for Stuttgart.

transfermarkt.de is great for checking the duration of contracts, but the values/prices of players tend to be way off, often close to rididculous (either way too low or way too high).

Zum Beispiel:

Feyenoord-players:
Andre Bahia 4.2M (whoever pays that needs a straight jacket) should be 1M
Royston Drenthe 1M should be 10M+
Luigi Bruins 425K should be 5M
Andwele Slory 850K should be 5M+ (BTW Ajax offered Perez, rated 3.5M + Lindenbergh, rated 1.5M + a few M for him)

source:

http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/verein/234/feyenoordrotterdam/uebersicht/startseite.html

same goes for other clubs. They also forget to take number of years of contract left into account. This is very important in determining what a player is worth.

Wolfsburg buy Daniel Baier from 1860 for 480.000€
http://www.bundesliga.de/de/liga2/news/2006/index.php?f=65116.php
He will be missed for his assists, but he had a passus in his contract, so it couldn't be helped.

The "market value" on transfermarkt.de intentionally doesn't take the number of years left on the contract into account. It basically means how much other clubs would be willing to pay for a certain player under normal circumstances, e.g. 2 years left on the contract.

It's no science though, every market value is determined by a discussion of forum users, which also take articles and official offers by other clubs etc. into account. That's why market values for Bundesliga players tend to be more accurate, simply because people know more about them. The values of the so called "big three" leagues are more or less OK (there are exceptions, of course), but it wouldn't surprise me at all if those of the Eredivisie (or the Portuguese league) are way off, for example.

Should take those values with a pinch of salt, they can only be a guide at best.

blutgraetsche wrote:It's no science though, every market value is determined by a discussion of forum users, which also take articles and official offers by other clubs etc. into account.

I think there's also often some of the usual rivellary involved between the users, who are also fans of their respective clubs of course. For example user who are xyz fans want higher market values for xyz players, while on the other side they want lower market values for players from other clubs. At least that´s my impression from following some discussions...

Of course Bremen players are all underrated (apart from Klose), while Bayern players are often overrated...

Newest rumours: Stuttgart supposed to be interested in Milan's Ricardo Oliveira. Wolfsburg apparently interested as well.

blutgraetsche wrote:Newest rumours: Stuttgart supposed to be interested in Milan's Ricardo Oliveira. Wolfsburg apparently interested as well.

Interesting, but not too surprising. With Suazo coming in and Milan also after Shevchenko, they were definitely going to offload Oliveira.

are stuttgart in the search for a goalkeeper or are they just going to stick with their number 2

Stuttgart have already replaced Hildebrand, who moved to Valencia, with Raphael Schäfer from Nürnberg. A very good goalie.

i was hoping that they would get guillermo ochoa (mexican #2 but should be number 1) since they have that mexican connection.

there was no links or rumours just wishful thinking on my part since i highly rate him but want him to go abroad and leave mexico

Looks like HSV are pretty desperate, and willing to outbid us on Carlos Alberto, although the player wants to join us. Supposedly, they offer 8m EUR for him, and they don't even have the money, and had problems to pay for Zidan already. Some speculate that they want him as a replacement for VDV, who can leave the club for just 1.5m EUR in 2009 (buy out clause), and therefore will most probably be sold next season latest.

I'd be quite disappointed if we don't get him to be honest. But on the other hand, I don't want us to forget about our principles, and pay silly money for players who still have a lot to prove. The problem is: with MSI invloved, it's not just up to CA who he is going to join, they have a say also, and most probably will opt for the club that pays the most, no matter if the player really wants to move there or not.

Great move by HSV to pay a lot of cash (they don't have) for a player who does not really want to join them. HSV transfer policy is a joke.

blutgraetsche wrote:Looks like HSV are pretty desperate, and willing to outbid us on Carlos Alberto, although the player wants to join us. Supposedly, they offer 8m EUR for him, and they don't even have the money, and had problems to pay for Zidan already. Some speculate that they want him as a replacement for VDV, who can leave the club for just 1.5m EUR in 2009 (buy out clause), and therefore will most probably be sold next season latest.

I think HSV can only afford a loan deal at best, but probably they offer 8m for the option to buy him next year, speculating they might have the money to buy him then. And even if they don´t have the money next year or if they don´t want him anymore they just don´t need to use their option to buy him. So there´s no risk for the HSV, but if they´re successful with their little scheme they get Alberto for one year at least and they make sure we don´t get him.

And what will they do with him for just one year? CA will have to get used to a new country and league, and not having a single Brazilian or Portuguese speaking player in the squad will not exactly make things easier in this respect. So he will need time to settle in, and they want to lose him just right after? Doesn't make sense at all. Even HSV can't be that stupid.

blutgraetsche wrote:And what will they do with him for just one year? CA will have to get used to a new country and league, and not having a single Brazilian or Portuguese speaking player in the squad will not exactly make things easier in this respect. So he will need time to settle in, and they want to lose him just right after? Doesn't make sense at all. Even HSV can't be that stupid.

Well, it´s their only possibility to get him at all if you ask me. And if he´s worth the money they can buy him next year then...

HSV cannot afford him

did you read the Seeler interview in Bild

he sounds pretty pissed off about the club's youth policy and thinks Hamburg should not get rid of Trochowski either

Beiersdorfer is mad, but obviously Dutchie Stevens prefers to play Nederlanders

Seeler is also not sure about Zidan and would have preferred Makaay

frankly, I don't really get this either

if you can have Makaay for 3 million Euro , surely the entire Bundesliga , from Bremen over HSV to Dortmund and Schalke, should make a bid for him

otto hat Euch alle lieb wrote:Seeler is also not sure about Zidan and would have preferred Makaay

frankly, I don't really get this either

if you can have Makaay for 3 million Euro , surely the entire Bundesliga , from Bremen over HSV to Dortmund and Schalke, should make a bid for him

Yeah, the HSV took a high risk signing Zidan, especially for so much money. Makaay may be 32 meanwhile, but he always makes his 15 goals per season...no risk at all imo.

According to Daily Mail, Werder Bremen is interested in Hedwiges Maduro from Ajax Amsterdam...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=463169&in_page_id=1779

chrissicross wrote:According to Daily Mail, Werder Bremen is interested in Hedwiges Maduro from Ajax Amsterdam...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=463169&in_page_id=1779

I hope for you this is the usual daily Mail Cr@p, because overrated is Maduro's middlename. How can a Bundesligaclub want a player who is as lethargic as a snail OD-ing on valium?