VAN BOMMEL won't play for ORANJE WITH VAN BASTEN as coach!

In the current Oranje squad is one remarkable name: Mark van Bommel. The press constantly criticised Van Basten about the Van Bommel and Ruud-case. It seems to be that Van Basten did listen to them and selected Van Bommel again...

Ruud is not in the squad because Ruud criticised Van Basten this week in Sportweek. He said “Van Basten only select players with an I-Like-You-method”.

One reason why the relation between Ruud and Van Basten has been broken is:

two day before the Portugal clash, Van Basten openly said that Ruud played not good and he also said to the press that Ruud won't play against Portugal (without telling it first to Ruud)

The day after Ruud was late for the training and everybody who was late at the World Cup had to tell a joke. However, Ruud did an act. He acted he was a news reporter and said that there was breaking news about the Dutch squad...

"Kuyt, Vennegoor and Ruud will not play against Portugal, a new GREEK striker is naturalised and selected in the squad.... his name: Alsimarakis. Phonetic in Dutch it means “as-long-as-the-ball-goes-in”....”

The players were all laughing but the coach was NOT Amused! Since that day the relation between Van Basten and Ruud was completely over....

(this is Ruud story of course)

If I had any respect left for Van Basten it's now gone completely...

Good news though, we *need* a player like Van Bommel in Oranje !

(I thought RVN's joke was funny btw)

This joke was quite funny but Ton Oijers from TV-Noord-Holland already made this joke!!!!!

He said that joke about Ajax before KjH went to Ajax....

Hahaha nice one Ruud, oh about MVB great thing. But now he lost it completely ofcourse.

Was the pressure that high for him? This shows that he has really no clue what he was doing. Or wasnt he allowed for Oranje, because he played for Barca( Cruyff hated that)

Bu the biggest news is.....AGAIN SJONNIE H. Still the whole overrartic four is there again...why....

Gr8 one by Ruud , so will he be selected or is his international carrer over b/c IMO the Orange are short on decent striking options.

No Ruud means more opportunity for Huntelaar to shine ... and not live in his shadow.

And what if he doesnt performs , what alternative you got Kuyt , Babbel etc not international quality(not yet anyway , Babbel will never be though)

BilalShah wrote:And what if he doesnt performs , what alternative you got Kuyt , Babbel etc not international quality(not yet anyway , Babbel will never be though)

----------- van Persie ------- Robben
------------------------- Kuijt

Not bad (as an alternative), KJH knows what he has to do; the problem for San Marco is, if his 'standoff' with RVN backfires ...

rai Mihawk wrote:

BilalShah wrote:And what if he doesnt performs , what alternative you got Kuyt , Babbel etc not international quality(not yet anyway , Babbel will never be though)

----------- van Persie ------- Robben
------------------------- Kuijt

Not bad (as an alternative)

Yes that *is* bad, it's been tried 3-4 times in Oranje already and failed miserably every time.

Huntelaar and Van Nistelrooy can play the lone striker part, it's the one thing Kuyt can't.

Better would be RVP as central striker and Kuyt on the right.

It's all madness anyway : Huntelaar and RVN are by *far* our best two strikers. If one doesn't play the other should.

As a third choice Makaay should still be an option along with Tall Jan (VoH).

Van Basten has applesauce for brains and it starts to show...

This would be my team for the Next Game (v Bulgaria)..

-------------------- van der Sar

------- Heitinga, Boulahrouz, Ooijer, Gio

-------------- van Bommel Schaars

---------------------- Sneijder
------- van Persie ------------- Robben
---------------------- Huntelaar

rai Mihawk wrote:This would be my team for the Next Game (v Bulgaria)..

-------------------- van der Sar

--- Kromkamp, Boulahrouz, Ooijer, Gio

-------------- van Bommel Schaars

---------------------- Sneijder
------- van Persie ------------- Robben
---------------------- Huntelaar

De Cler has been outperforming Gio for the last 4-5 matches, he should be our regular LB from now on.

Playing Sneijder will make us lose all battles on midfield (and old applesauceforbrains will start to blame Van Bommel again)...and it's not like he brings anything useful to the team.

So we axe Sneijder (nice sub to bring on for a defender if we need to score, nothing more) and play a more defensive player : Landzaat or de Zeeuw.

If we don't win battles in midfield we might as well not show up, have we learned *nothing* from the WC ?!

Another thing we learned from the WC is that two isolated/static wingers and a lone striker doesn't work, so from now on we never play Robben and RVP again at the same time *on the wings*.

Kuyt is our most important player so he's guaranteed a place on the right. RVP has been moaning that he doesn't want to play on the left, to bad for him : bench !

This gives us :

-------------------- van der Sar

Kromkamp, Boulahrouz, Ooijer, De Cler

van Bommel -- De Zeeuw -- Schaars

------- Kuyt ---------------- Robben
-------------------- Ruud

Nice mix of talent and experience, workers and creativity.

Fey wrote:
But the biggest news is.....AGAIN SJONNIE H. Still the whole overrartic four is there again...why....

This is the truely mindbogling part, what on Earth does Heitinga have to do to not be selected anymore ?!

Play well ?

@ Axeslammer !

San Marco did not include RVN in his squad .. replace him with De Hunter...

btw, Heitinga was in the team due to Kromkamp 'not playing' enough times .. now Kromkamp is at PSV; and playing regularly .. Heitinga could well be on the bench.

Did San Marco pick Kromkamp btw?

Van Basten is a joke manager. A really bad joke at one.

Kromkamp wasn't chosen (or started) to spite him for disregarding Van Basten's advice after his last season at AZ. Childish, arrogant, and not consistent as he gladly was and still is playing Heitinga - who's infinitely shit and was injured and saw the bench the rest of the season and never was that good to begin with - and others.

rai Mihawk wrote:No Ruud means more opportunity for Huntelaar to shine ... and not live in his shadow.

Like Huntelaar is shining now!?

Jesus rai, that's not even a reasoning. Kromme redenering zowiezo.

BilalShah wrote:Gr8 one by Ruud , so will he be selected or is his international carrer over b/c IMO the Orange are short on decent striking options.

Oranje is not short of options, even our "second rates" are better than most first; we still have Makaay, Vennegoor of Hesselink, John, Hasselbaink, and a couple of others, hell even Kluivert.

Its when you purposely thin the squad by your own undoing, and BAN the best striker, and claim RVN isn't any good -THAT's when you deserve to lose all credibilty.

rai Mihawk wrote:

BilalShah wrote:And what if he doesnt performs , what alternative you got Kuyt , Babbel etc not international quality(not yet anyway , Babbel will never be though)

----------- van Persie ------- Robben
------------------------- Kuijt

Not bad (as an alternative), KJH knows what he has to do; the problem for San Marco is, if his 'standoff' with RVN backfires ...

If? WHen Huntelaar is ice-cold and almost getting sent off like in the last couple of games, what did could San Marco do --> FUCK ALL.

Let's entertain the situation with an injury to Huntelaar another time.

Distinguished Dutchman wrote:

rai Mihawk wrote:No Ruud means more opportunity for Huntelaar to shine ... and not live in his shadow.

Like Huntelaar is shining now!?

Jesus rai, that's not even a reasoning. Kromme redenering zowiezo.

Huntelaar will 'come out of his shell'

Is this what all Dutch posters on this board are doing - criticise the team and hope they fail so we can say 'TOLD YOU SO'

Get behind the team! and drop the anti-Ajax sentiments

Axeslammer ! wrote:

rai Mihawk wrote:

BilalShah wrote:And what if he doesnt performs , what alternative you got Kuyt , Babbel etc not international quality(not yet anyway , Babbel will never be though)

----------- van Persie ------- Robben
------------------------- Kuijt

Not bad (as an alternative)

Yes that *is* bad, it's been tried 3-4 times in Oranje already and failed miserably every time.

Huntelaar and Van Nistelrooy can play the lone striker part, it's the one thing Kuyt can't.
Better would be RVP as central striker and Kuyt on the right.

It's all madness anyway : Huntelaar and RVN are by *far* our best two strikers. If one doesn't play the other should.

As a third choice Makaay should still be an option along with Tall Jan (VoH).

Van Basten has applesauce for brains and it starts to show...

Axeslammer ! wrote:

rai Mihawk wrote:This would be my team for the Next Game (v Bulgaria)..

-------------------- van der Sar

--- Kromkamp, Boulahrouz, Ooijer, Gio

-------------- van Bommel Schaars

---------------------- Sneijder
------- van Persie ------------- Robben
---------------------- Huntelaar

De Cler has been outperforming Gio for the last 4-5 matches, he should be our regular LB from now on.

Playing Sneijder will make us lose all battles on midfield (and old applesauceforbrains will start to blame Van Bommel again)...and it's not like he brings anything useful to the team.

So we axe Sneijder (nice sub to bring on for a defender if we need to score, nothing more) and play a more defensive player : Landzaat or de Zeeuw.

If we don't win battles in midfield we might as well not show up, have we learned *nothing* from the WC ?!

Another thing we learned from the WC is that two isolated/static wingers and a lone striker doesn't work, so from now on we never play Robben and RVP again at the same time *on the wings*.

Kuyt is our most important player so he's guaranteed a place on the right. RVP has been moaning that he doesn't want to play on the left, to bad for him : bench !
This gives us :

-------------------- van der Sar

Kromkamp, Boulahrouz, Ooijer, De Cler

van Bommel -- De Zeeuw -- Schaars

------- Kuyt ---------------- Robben
-------------------- Ruud

Nice mix of talent and experience, workers and creativity.

Thankfully I wasn't the one who needed to say that. In the WC we had Fullback and midfield trouble, and an isolated striker.

That's pretty much my squad as well. Even though I'd start with Huntelaar and perhaps put VDV in when fit. De Zeeuw can also switch with Landzaat. In essence yours is the correct one - with Kuijt on RW, YOU HEAR A THAT MvB!!!!! NOT LW!

rai Mihawk wrote:

Distinguished Dutchman wrote:

rai Mihawk wrote:No Ruud means more opportunity for Huntelaar to shine ... and not live in his shadow.

Like Huntelaar is shining now!?

Jesus rai, that's not even a reasoning. Kromme redenering zowiezo.

Huntelaar will 'come out of his shell'

Is this what all Dutch posters on this board are doing - criticise the team and hope they fail so we can say 'TOLD YOU SO'

Get behind the team! and drop the anti-Ajax sentiments

Its not anti-Ajax.
Huntelaar should start most games, with RVN as second option on the bench. RVN is proven at all levels, Huntelaar not yet, and it does show. With Ruud on the bench when Huntelaar goes on a bad patch of games - like right now - there's no-one to start the next couple of games.
What Marco is doing is purposely wating great options to have, now he doesn't have any, and that showed.

He's only getting Van Bommel back in (begrudginly) because his midfield selection is shit, and he knows that without a box-to-box type player, he'll have to resign before the qualification is over. Well, shucks, we have no Davids (Seedorf) and Boateng hardly got a look in, he's keeping Demi de Zeeuw out for some magical reason etc etc.

FACT is, we're playing worse now (and for the last 6 months) than we ever were during Advocaat days. And Marco's honeymoon period wasn't spectecular to begin with. It was just that, a honeymoon, when mistakes are glanced over because of support, optimism & credit.


You know what, I wouldn't mind at all if we didn't qualify. In fact I'd rather prefer that, that way we can get riid of this farce of manager. The sooner, the better.

The saddest part is, he's not even that bad of a coach - he takes risks, makes bold selections, has a vision. He'd make a decent/good league manager.
He's absolutely shit as a tournament coach though. Grinds out results, clashes with everyone. An ego that's too big for the team; inconsistancy; cronyism; persistant with his abysmal choices; refuses to learn; pretends to go for youth, while he goes for players that don't dare to upset the great San Marco.

Everything we achieve is in spite of him, not because of. Don't you notice that startegically we're in shambles - someone who doens't notice that Kuijt can't play LW, can't be called a tactician by any standard - , but when we win big and convincing its because of individual quality and moments of brilliance from players (e.g., Ireland). That's what's saved his hide so far, the moments of brilliance from players. We have talent at our disposal being from the Netherlands, but its him who's doing his best to squander those talents. Banning valuable players. WTF!
Despite his managerial bumblings, we'll still reach the EC08, and the yokels will still regard him as a great coach, but I know already that we have no chance. He's unable to change a game, and we'll drop out as soon as we meet a great team with good tactics, and he'll be offered another extension by the KNVB . We got as much chance to get to the final as France under Domenech - another team that got somewhere in spite of their coach.

While the team has enough to content with their form and chemistry, it also has to ebar the weigth of San Marco's enormous ego. The team will succumb to it little by little, while some will hail wins (by individual class) over Romania and Bulgaria as great victories.

RAUS!

You know San Marco will be a 'good' Club manager - i hope he will succeed Henk Ten Cate..

You know i don't care anymore, as long as results are going San Marcos way, I'm happy.

How long does KJH 'must' wait until he becomes no1 forward - 6 more years??, i know he is playing 'shite' at the moment; but i know his form of last season will come back (maybe this Sunday) .. San Marco is giving him his 'opportunity' ... "get your club form into your international career"

At times i feel 'some of us' are contempt to not 'back' players and give them a chance and see what they can do .. if they continually fail - we must them say 'no more chance' wait again ..



We can burn effigies of him (San Marco).. for all i care.

I actually believe that nominating Van Bommel will pay off immediately, as long as he plays, of course. He is in good form these days, and he's exactly the type of player the Oranje midfield lacks.

What does the Oranje midfield lacks, you think????

You only saw WC games (if you have seen any of the Oranje team) and you saw Van Bommel was playing there....

The midfield wasn't that good so how can you conclude the midfield lacks a tackling hoofer???????

Your midfield lacks players with a physical presence, it is too lightweight. And yes, even with van Bommel, your midfield was overrun by the Ivorians in the group match, for example. But without him, you most probably would have looked even worse.

Van Bommel is much more than a "tackling hoofer", but I let the other Dutchies (and Bayern fans for that matter) comment on that.

Yes it was overrun but that had more to do with the lame tactics that game....

No extra midfielder: Ooijer were not allowed to support the midfield and Snijder played as a DFM while he is a number 10 or a left/right back!

What we need in the future is not Van Bommel but a skilful Maduro on form (like Rijkaard was in his days)! He is the type of player we lacked at the WC..

As a good replacement for Maduro, he is completely off form, is Schaars or even Demy de Zeeuw... Having said this, they are both very young! And, De Zeeuw is also a light weight!

BTW I don't care if Van Bommel is in the squad, sometimes you need a hoofer and a tackler in the game but at the World Cup his football only triggered the Portuguese and lost every ball against IC.

We Dutchies have to focus on the footballing way first because we are no fighters! If we are on a fighting/diving/cheating tour against, for instance, Portuguese we will lose.... (Van Bommel was the worst diver/cheater/fighter that game and that was NO good). If we are going to hoof like the Germans we will lose... If we are going to play the physical game with the Englanders we will lose.... etc. etc.

Only against Italy we have to play English style, more opportunistic with a Vennegoor and we will 100% win from the Italians...

But overall, we have to play are OWN style. That's where we good in it!!!!!!

Start with a solid defence, try to pass, move the defender to the midfield if we are on the attack. If we can't play our passing game we have to play more long balls to a striker like Vennegoor... This is where PSV are very successful in! And they show time and time again that foreign countries have a lot of difficulties with that system!

If we can't outplay the opponent with football we can use Van Bommel as a back-up!

@ ricardojol

With the current 'players' available .. who would you have in your XI?

Doel: Van der Sar (Manchester United) en Timmer (Feyenoord)

Achterhoede: Emanuelson en Heitinga (beiden Ajax), De Cler en Jaliens (beiden AZ), Van Bronckhorst (Barcelona), Ooijer (Blackburn Rovers), Boulahrouz (Chelsea) en Mathijsen (HSV)

Middenveld: Van Bommel (Bayern München), Sneijder (Ajax), Schaars en De Zeeuw (beiden AZ), De Jong (HSV) en Landzaat (Wigan Athletic)

Aanval: Babel en Huntelaar (beiden Ajax), Van Persie (Arsenal), Robben (Chelsea), Kuijt (Liverpool) en Vennegoor of Hesselink (Celtic)

I miss Kromkamp because I would play with him! But with the current squad it is:

------------Sar

Boulah---Ooijer--Mathijsen---Gio

-------------Schaars-----------

Landzaat/van bommel*--------Sneijder

Persie-------Vennegoor---Robben

Heitinga have to stay home! I saw how Greene played a solid performance against Lok Sofia and he deserves a chance to sit on the bench...

If Landzaat is also not in form I have to choose for Van Bommel!

@ ricardojol

Reason for Hunterlaar's omission - lack of form?

unlike JVoH .. who has impressed with Celtic.

Form and injury reasons. Huntelaar is the man for the future but don't kill the guy.