Agooner wrote:I think too much is being made of the curent van basten vs van bommel and Rvn issue.
Not at all. Never have players been banned in our selection, and you certainly would not do it to these two - two of our most valuable ones. And for what really?! it hasn't escalated nowhere near banning offenses. And there's a lot more behind it, the reasons, the mudslinging afterwards by Van Basten, mistakes by Van Basten, inconsistancies, and both have also been treated unfairly. They've been held to a different standard apperantly, and been treated extremely harsh, and kicked to the curb like yesterday's garbage. No thanks, no nothing.
He doesn't simply rate van bommel, period. Sometimes coaches rate players we all see as crap, eg. capello and zebina. He is the coach , he should be given the freedom to choose the players he thinks are good for the way he wants to play though i myself don't get it that a player of such quality doesn't get selected.
He doesn't rate Van bommel, or does he? Even Van Basten doesn't seem to know. He doesn't prefer Van Bommel that's for sure. In the early honeymoon period of a manager you give him the benefit of the doubt, and Van Basten did get the benefit. Van Bommel was the first name he cut after two games. Oddly, because he's exactly what this at times lightweight squad needs. Fast forward a year and a half later when we've played the qualifiers won, but did struggle at times because of the lack of a player like Van Bommel to beef the squad and give some no-nonsense box-to--box action; he called him up for the WC. Even Van Basten could see the light. It turns out that Van Bommel was nothing more than the scapegoat for our underachieving midfield (Cocu his worst form in 5 years, after a gruelling season; Sneijder in DM(!!??), general midfield disbalance by San Marco's own selection; and the whole midfield had to help the defense out because the clown Heitinga - who Marco selected - cannot defend and is as big a liabilty if you're ever going to get one. Our midfield tilted to right back, leaving a great instability. Not to mention the wingers being extraordinarily selfish.). Van bommel got the blame. And had to hear on TV that he not just passed, but plain banned from the squad. Oh yes, and after the Portugal game Van Bommel never heard a word from Van Basten again. He only had to hear through the press that the coach didn't think he was really that good, or that how he ridiculed hs transfers etc. That he blagged his way into football basicly.
Now our squad is even more lightweigth than before, and we missed him, so Marco needs him again. Suddenly he's rated again. Marco's actions bite him and us on the arse again.
Its one thing to have a vision of the style your team is going to play in, and fit it accordingly to the players - of course you're bound to leave or bench some players. But don't go mouthing them off for two years in the press, and then give them a call and expect them reply. Its Van Basten who's showed he's inconsistant and proves he's talking bollocks by selecting him again.
RVN'case is simple: van basten sees DK and KJH better options for the way he wants to play - which i completely agree with by the way. However, i think RVN should be part of the squad but the question is, is he prepared to be third choice? i don't think so, maybe that's why Van Basten thinks it's better not to select him.
Huntelaar should be the first striker, but he should be eased in. He's very young still, and has an enormous amount of pressure on him this season (Ajax, Europe, big clubs). I think Ruud should be 2nd striker, most people won't disagree. With the system Van Basten plays Kuijt will rarely start as the main striker, as he's used as a RW or attacking mid mostly. Its only with substitutions that Kuijt can move to the striker position - that has always been the protocol. And I agree. Kuijt is wasted as a lone striker, and ideally he needs someone to play off (4-4-2), which you can't provide if you're team is calibrated to play 4-3-3. Kuijt is not a lone striker or as a target man not as good as others for selection (JVoH, KJH, RVN).
Van Basten discarted Ruud, and then try to pander some excuse of him not being good. He also said that it was his fault we didn't score more during the WC. The proven player who did more than his share to get us through the qualification was suddenly banned.
Over the weekend and yesterday, more info came to light that Van Basten told Makaay to f*ck off too. Now all the skeletons are coming out of the closet,and it isn't pretty. There was some sort of argument, and Makaay last game he couldn't play because of a "back spasm". It wasn't well known because Makaay hasn't kissed and told yet.
Marco Van Basten has a lengthy history of making & causing arguments, allthrough his playing and coaching carreer. He was practically solely responsible for WC90 being as bad as it was, by organising a mutiny against the then coach Beenhakker. So you can guess who I'll give the benefit of the doubt now. The phantom & the horse or egomaniacal primadonna.
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gets two games and Ruud one. Huntelaar is still young, and has to be eased into his international role and expectations (how many times has he even played quality international opponents in his life? Only really against Inter!). If all is on his shoulders like it is right now with the exclution of Ruud, he will get frustrated at some point. Gee, doesn't that sound a lot like the situation right now!?
) I'm for someone else taking them.
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