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Post n°61

Re: Oranje Thread

by Fey Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:06 pm

For the Dutchies

Jonathan de Guzman laat in de papieren versie van Sportweek weten voorlopig nog geen keuze te willen maken tussen Canada en Nederland. Het talent van Feyenoord is geboren in Toronto, maar kan zonder problemen een Nederlands paspoort aanvragen. De situatie rond Salomon Kalou afgelopen jaar, heeft de middenvelder meer aan het denken gezet.

De Guzman is één van de steunpilaren van Feyenoord en wil zich voorlopig op zijn club blijven richten. Maar dat de bondscoaches van beide landen de 18-jarige speler willen hebben is meer dan duidelijk. Marco van Basten liet publiekelijk weten dat hij een grote toekomst bij Oranje kan hebben, terwijl de Canadese bondscoach De Guzman's broer meerdere keren in de strijd heeft gegooid.

De vader van Jonathan liet enkele maanden geleden al weten dat voor hem de keuze makkelijk zou zijn. Het niveau en de kans op succes is veel groter met Nederland, en hij zou de droom om samen met zijn broer in het Canadese elftal uit te komen laten varen.

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Re: Oranje Thread

by Since 1888 Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:29 pm

deGuzman>Sneijder

Not sure about him in Oranje though. For ethetical reasons I mean.

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by Fey Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:41 pm

Ye i have the same but then again how about Boula, Castelen etc.

But i think all Dutchies agree that he would be a good player for the national team.

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Post n°64

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by DD Tue Aug 15, 2006 8:44 pm

Axeslammer ! wrote:

SpartaR wrote:But seriously.
Sneijder had a worser tournament as vBommel and still he is one of the first players in squad.(all round spuad). He's deluded.

Kromkamp>Greene>Tiendalli>Jaliens>deJong>Heitinga.

All three "starting" midfieldplayers had a horrible tournament.

Cocu : didn't have the energy after a long and good season for PSV. This was obvious after the first match, he shouldn't have gotten a start after that.

Sneijder : whether you rate the lad or not, to play him as a defensive/controlling midfieldplayer is *madness*...he never had a real chance to prove himself that way.
(his supposed strength : corners and free kicks were a disaster, so another one that should not have been played....and certainly not in the position he was used at)

Van Bommel : had to do it all by himself, no else was "battling" in midfield and on top of that he knew the manager had little faith in him. In my opinion out of these three he had the best tournament, but nowhere near decent.

So who brought Marco to change our luck in midfield : the half recovered Van der Vaart who, this became clear after his first appearence, was nowhere near match fitness. Another one who should not have gotten any playing time after that !

Why on earth didn't Marco use Landzaat and Maduro more ? Or Kuyt in midfield or even Heitinga...it was clear for all to see we were losing the battle (and tournament) in midfield.

God what a difference Davids would/could have made, how on earth can you not include him in the squad ?! Davids is a typical "tournament-player" who can lead the battle when that's required....

And while were at it : all during the qualifying campaign Kuyt was playing as right winger and it brought balance to the team. RVP is a much better winger, but in the system van Basten played it unbalanced the team !

Kuyt will help out midfield, will make space for other players coming down the right flank. Now we had two static and isolated wingers, which in turn ensured our sole striker was isolated too...and no space to run into for forward going backs/midfielders.

So many mistakes....and *no*, I repeat : *no* improvement whatsoever.

We should at least have learned something from this wasted tournament, but van Basten keeps on making the same mistakes over and over again.

He's now allienated Davids, Van Bommel and Van Nistelrooy : three players who could still be very valuable to Oranje.

Not to select them is not a choice I would make, but one I can (barely) live with....to publically damage them : wtf ?!

Why was that necessary ? It was uncalled for, unprofessional and stupid to be honest.

I'VE HAD IT : I WANT VAN BASTEN OUT !!!

NOW !

Fucking hell, me too!!

He's sabotaging our chances with his stupid fueds.

ricardo jol wrote: There was not enough time to test KJH before the WC but now he has two years to become the Dutch first striker so it is obvious he wasn't taken in the WC squad.

Ricardo, I'm sorry to tell you, but you make flawed comment after another. This one just takes the cake.

By that logic, why not take just 11 players to the qualifying and the EC. See the logic?
Even if Huntelaar is the first striker, its madness leaving Ruud at home and taking Babel in his place. His excuses and policies are paper thin, nobody's fooled by them. How is Marco going to "explain" his decision? That he wanted to make a young squad!?. Doh

Leaving ~~Van Bommel~~... leaving both these immensely valuable players, who neither had as abysmal a WC as his the Ajax core he choses now, is stupidity, plain and simple. There's no excuse or explanation.

And like all things he does is through the press. First he critisises through the press, then blames others through the press, and now publically terminates their chances of even playing in Oranje.

Oh yeah, that's the mark of a good coach. Publically and massively burning perfectly useful bridges without knowing he might ever need them.

Double Doh

And a couple of these Grr

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by Ricardo Jol Wed Aug 16, 2006 9:23 am

@DD

I don't understand what you are saying in the beginning of the thread. I only meant to say I don't understand that KJH wasn't taken into the squad before he went to Ajax, just to look how good he is in Oranje. He was playing some great stuff already at Heerenveen and scored a lot of goals for Oranje U-21. At that time I was already thinking about why he didn't get a chance...

I agree it must be possible that Ruud can be our second striker. I also can imagine that Ruud will get back his place in the squad because he scored a lot of goals under Van Basten and he will score a lot of goals for Real Madrid. I'm not an anti Ruud poster but it is NOW time to give KJH a chance to be the first striker of Oranje.

Van Bommel had an abysmal World Cup and never showed he is needed in the squad and he was also not good in the qualifiers. He played terrible against Portugal and should have sent off with a red card while there was absolutely no reason for it. He was the player that triggered Portugal to play a “nasty” game and they are better in those games than we are. He also lost too many balls in the midfield. It is significant he cannot play his game in the Van Basten team-concept. Neither Sneijder can in a DFM role (at the moment) but Sneijder in a more attacking role can be more useful than van Bommel IMO.

BTW I am not saying van Bommel has to be OUT of the squad because he was more "worse" (your interpretation of my words) than Sneijder. I only say he didn't play well so it is not strange he is not selected at the moment. A player that doesn't fulfill can be left out of the squad no matter what your name is, simple!

Another coach would have left perhaps Sneijder out of the squad (and there are good reasons for it as well) but that doesn't say because Sneijder played bad and is selected, van Bommel has to be selected as well, talking about flawed comments...
For both players there are significant reasons to leave them out of the team! Van Basten choose to leave van Bommel at home this time…

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by Machiavel Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:09 pm

@ Obispo

Sneijder is

Good at: set pieces (at times), distribution of the ball (comparing him to Xavi wont do him good), plus he cant hit the ball precisely at goal.

Play him as a attacking midfielder (like Ajax) and you potentially have a future talent.

Not good at: defensive duties, play him as a sort of Defensive midfield and your wasting him.

(some Dutch fans say hes arrogant - don't listen to them.. Very Happy

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by Guest Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:11 pm

Dutchies...what would be your starting xi?

Also, isn't it weird talking to each other in English?

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by Machiavel Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:16 pm

Crouching Tiger wrote:Dutchies...what would be your starting xi?

Also, isn't it weird talking to each other in English?

van der Sar

Kromkamp*
Boulahrouz
Mathijsen
De Cler

van der Vaart
Schaars**
Sneijder***

van Persie
Huntelaar
Robeen

* or Heintiga (i will be shot for suggesting this..but i don't care)
** or Maduro
*** or play Schaars, Maduro and VDV...

No its not strange talking in the English..

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by Since 1888 Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:20 pm

Crouching Tiger wrote:Dutchies...what would be your starting xi?

Also, isn't it weird talking to each other in English?

My starting X1:

-----------------vdSar
Kromkamp-Ooijer-Boula-deCler
---------vBommel--Maduro
----------------vdVaart
RvP--------------???-----------Robben

???= depends on Huntelaars form. Otherwise it's still RvN.

Still, my english isn't that good so I need to practise.

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by Guest Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:21 pm

rai Mihawk wrote:

Crouching Tiger wrote:Dutchies...what would be your starting xi?

Also, isn't it weird talking to each other in English?

van der Sar

Kromkamp*
Boulahrouz
Mathijsen
De Cler

van der Vaart
Schaars**
Sneijder***

van Persie
Huntelaar
Robeen

* or Heintiga (i will be shot for suggesting this..but i don't care)
** or Maduro
*** or play Schaars, Maduro and VDV...

No its not strange talking in the English..

what is it like obligitary that you learn perfect english in holland or something?

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by Machiavel Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:25 pm

@ Crouching Tiger

Because English is a international language its good to know it..look at van Basten, Rijkaard and Cruijff (never played in England... all speak good English)

-- this is not only for (some) people in Holland, most of Europe and the wider world.

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by Since 1888 Wed Aug 16, 2006 7:26 pm

And there's a lot of english talk on television.

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by Since 1888 Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:37 pm

Meerdink?! Meerdink?! Why o why Meerdink? He isn't even a starter for AZ.

Good God, Marco what are you doing.

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by DD Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:48 pm

SpartaR wrote:Meerdink?! Meerdink?! Why o why Meerdink? He isn't even a starter for AZ.

Good God, Marco what are you doing.

F*cking sabotaging the team.

Doh

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by Fey Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:07 pm

Well at least Maduro is out, here is the full squad guys: Doel: Van der Sar (Manchester United), Timmer (Feyenoord).

Verdediging: Boulahrouz (Chelsea), Mathijsen (HSV), Van Bronckhorst (Barcelona), De Cler (AZ), Emanuelson (Ajax), Heitinga (Ajax), Jaliens (AZ), Ooijer (Blackburn Rovers).

Middenveld: Janssen (Vitesse), De Jong (HSV), Landzaat (Wigan Athletic), Schaars (AZ), Sneijder (Ajax), Van der Vaart (HSV).

Aanval: Babel (Ajax), Huntelaar (Ajax), Dirk Kuijt (Liverpool), Meerdink (AZ), Van Persie (Arsenal), Vennegoor of Hesselink (Celtic).

Offcourse the overratic four are in Oranje again. Rolling Eyes

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by DD Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:10 pm

Fey wrote:Well at least Maduro is out, here is the full squad guys: Doel: Van der Sar (Manchester United), Timmer (Feyenoord).

Verdediging: Boulahrouz (Chelsea), Mathijsen (HSV), Van Bronckhorst (Barcelona), De Cler (AZ), Emanuelson (Ajax), Heitinga (Ajax), Jaliens (AZ), Ooijer (Blackburn Rovers).

Middenveld: Janssen (Vitesse), De Jong (HSV), Landzaat (Wigan Athletic), Schaars (AZ), Sneijder (Ajax), Van der Vaart (HSV).

Aanval: Babel (Ajax), Huntelaar (Ajax), Dirk Kuijt (Liverpool), Meerdink (AZ), Van Persie (Arsenal), Vennegoor of Hesselink (Celtic).

Offcourse the overratic four are in Oranje again.

The red ones are also questionable.

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by Axeslammer Fri Aug 25, 2006 4:22 pm

My team

van der Sar

Greene
Boulahrouz
Ooijer
De Cler

van der Vaart
Schaars
Van Bommel

Kuyt
Huntelaar
Robben

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by DD Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:01 pm

Axeslammer ! wrote:My team

van der Sar

Greene
Boulahrouz
Ooijer
De Cler

van der Vaart
Schaars
Van Bommel

Kuyt
Huntelaar
Robben

Already much better than what MvB has concucted up to now.

Kuijt can switch with RVP (or Castelen)
Boulah/ooijer can switch Mathijsen
Greene can switch with Kromkamp
De Cler with Gio van Bronckhorst
Schaars can switch with Landzaat
VDV's back up is Sneijder.
Huntelaar's back-up is RVN

Why oh why do we have MvB!?

Sack him now!!

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by Since 1888 Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:11 pm

Where the fock is Greene?! Jaliens and de Jong and no Greene.

Also, if Marco has brains (wich we all know, he hasn't or at least hides it very well) he should just do everything he can to bring deGuzman in the squad.
Also it's time for deZeeuw to get a call up. But Meerdink?! That just makes no sense at all.

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by Axeslammer Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:06 pm

SpartaR wrote:Where the fock is Greene?! Jaliens and de Jong and no Greene.

Also, if Marco has brains (wich we all know, he hasn't or at least hides it very well) he should just do everything he can to bring deGuzman in the squad.
Also it's time for deZeeuw to get a call up. But Meerdink?! That just makes no sense at all.

I agree with all that you wrote

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by Machiavel Fri Aug 25, 2006 6:55 pm

Good to see Sneijder back in the team..hope he starts Very Happy

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by Since 1888 Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:46 pm

Axeslammer ! wrote:

SpartaR wrote:Where the fock is Greene?! Jaliens and de Jong and no Greene.

Also, if Marco has brains (wich we all know, he hasn't or at least hides it very well) he should just do everything he can to bring deGuzman in the squad.
Also it's time for deZeeuw to get a call up. But Meerdink?! That just makes no sense at all.

I agree with all that you wrote

And you are surprised by that? Wink

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by Axeslammer Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:00 pm

SpartaR wrote:

And you are surprised by that?

Not really, but it's rare that I wholeheartedly agree with someone <Ale>

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by Machiavel Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:19 pm

Nobody wants San Marco as coach (reading everyone comments) i think i'm the only one who does ..

Has he agreed to extend his contract to 2010?

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by Since 1888 Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:34 pm

rai Mihawk wrote:Nobody wants San Marco as coach (reading everyone comments) i think i'm the only one who does ..

Has he agreed to extend his contract to 2010?

Thankfully not.
It's nothing personal Rai but this guy made so many mistakes. I don't care what you achieved on the pitch when your a head coach. And right after the WC he makes the same mistakes (Kuyt as left winger, MEERDINK?!).

Sorry...but he crossed the line.

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by Machiavel Fri Aug 25, 2006 9:41 pm

@ SpartaR

I agree - Kuijt best position is not left wing (and he played Sneijder as a DM?!!)

at the moment == van Persie, Huntelaar, Robben (not going to change anytime soon)

So Kuijt should be back up for KJH?

----------------------------------------------------

Its the midfield I'm worried about (VDV - Schaars? - Sneijder*)

* or someone else (De Guzman??)

van Basten should leave if results don't go his way Sad

(new Ajax coach maybe Very Happy

)

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OK, your right about Meerdink (but who does San Marco have to work with?!)

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by Since 1888 Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:00 pm

rai Mihawk wrote:@ SpartaR

I agree - Kuijt best position is not left wing (and he played Sneijder as a DM?!!)

at the moment == van Persie, Huntelaar, Robben (not going to change anytime soon)

So Kuijt should be back up for KJH?

----------------------------------------------------

Its the midfield I'm worried about (VDV - Schaars? - Sneijder*)

* or someone else (De Guzman??)

van Basten should leave if results don't go his way (new Ajax coach maybe )

----------------------------------------------------

OK, your right about Meerdink (but who does San Marco have to work with?!)

Kuyt as a back up RW and striker and you could try him on RM. That's it for him.

My prefered midfield is:
--vBommel---Schaars
----------vdVaart

Back up midfield:

--Landzaat---Boateng
---------deGuzman

Who else for Meerdink? Hofs, played kind of right winger for Jong Oranje. Ask Cziommer for Holland, call up de Zeeuw, call up Luirink. I don't care if they play in other positions, just NOT Meerdink.

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by DD Sat Aug 26, 2006 12:01 pm

Amen!!!!!!!

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by Machiavel Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:15 pm

Will San Marco pick Sneijder for the upcoming internationals?

- personally i think he should not (if he is going to be picked for a defensive duty) plus WS recent performances are not good.

BUT, i will not complain if he starts Very Happy

Midfield: van der vaart - schaars - ????

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by Machiavel Mon Aug 28, 2006 11:19 pm

upcoming games:

- Luxembourg v Netherlands
- Netherlands v Belarus <<<<------- KJH home debut?

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