Oranje Thread

We should win those games 3 nil each. At leats.

But what I want is Marco to finally show he can make the team play beautiful football. And start making the right calls - no Greene!!! meerdink! Heitinga starter! Kuijt LW! Jaliens! etc etc.
Who is he going to make a fued with now? Kuijt at VI tonight indirectly hinted that he wasn't happy with the pruging of Van Bommel and RVN either; in addition to VDS's public disbelief that the coach banned those two.

Maybe Sneijder will have a good game...

We've got two very, *very* dangerous games coming.

We'll win both without breaking a sweat, that's where the danger comes in : it will seem that the ridiculous decisions by Van Basten are justified while they are not.

After last sunday we've got a new threat : what if our golden boy KJH succumbs to the Ajax-malaise (just like VDV did a while back)....and stops scoring goals

Now that Van Nistelrooy has been (unjustly) dumped, we've got no backup striker : Kuyt doesn't work in that position in a 4-3-3....

Another thing we saw at the WC : with Robben and RVP on the wings we have three separate lines and the central striker will become woefully isolated. So even though Robben and RVP are the best wingers we have, for the sake of the balance of the team we can't play them both at the same time on the wings.

We need Dirk Kuijt on the RW....remember where he played in the qualifying campaign, and remember how the team looked in those matches ?

Dirk on the right will bring balance to the team and will actually create space to run into for backs and midfield....and with his work-ethos he'll also help plugging holes in midfield (and defense).

With Robben injured I'm praying Marco will for once use some common sense and play RVP on the left, KJH up front and Kuyt from the right.

For the long term another solution might be tried : Robben on the left, RVP as central striker and Kuyt from the right....

The other obvious danger is of course that if the Mediocre Midget gets to play against these Midget opponents he might actually look good (because they'll fail to defend him, just like NAC)....and we'll also start him against decent opposition (we saw at the WC what happens then).

Oh and btw : if Sneijder starts I'm really considering not watching at all....it's just too much to bear, seeing him squander posession and all set pieces

RVP missed an incredible amount of chances this weekend....

hope he gets his scoring boots back on for Oranje, he's got the talent, but he's very much like Dennis Bergkamp - doesnt seem to like scoring "easy" goals- and as a result, he lacks goal poaching instinct...

so not sure if playing him upfront as ther main striker would work Axeslammer..

The Real White Pele wrote:RVP missed an incredible amount of chances this weekend....

hope he gets his scoring boots back on for Oranje, he's got the talent, but he's very much like Dennis Bergkamp - doesnt seem to like scoring "easy" goals- and as a result, he lacks goal poaching instinct...

so not sure if playing him upfront as ther main striker would work Axeslammer..

and people hate Ruud because he scores easy goals....

Why can't people see scoring easy goals is a QUALITY!!!!!! it wins YOU games!!!!

The Real White Pele wrote:
so not sure if playing him upfront as ther main striker would work Axeslammer..

He's my fourth choice for Oranje (in all his wisdom *cough* Van Basten has axed my numbers 2 and 3)...

1) KJH (just edges Ruud because of age)
2) RVN
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3) Makaay
4) RVP
5) JVOH

Axeslammer ! wrote:

The Real White Pele wrote:
so not sure if playing him upfront as ther main striker would work Axeslammer..

He's my fourth choice for Oranje (in all his wisdom *cough* Van Basten has axed my numbers 2 and 3)...

1) KJH (just edges Ruud because of age)
2) RVN
...
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3) Makaay
4) RVP
5) JVOH

Do you not think Kuyt could do a job? Surely a better option than JVOH!

The Real White Pele wrote:

Axeslammer ! wrote:

The Real White Pele wrote:
so not sure if playing him upfront as ther main striker would work Axeslammer..

He's my fourth choice for Oranje (in all his wisdom *cough* Van Basten has axed my numbers 2 and 3)...

1) KJH (just edges Ruud because of age)
2) RVN
...
...
...
3) Makaay
4) RVP
5) JVOH

Do you not think Kuyt could do a job? Surely a better option than JVOH!

Don't underrate JVoH! He's quite good, and is as good as most strikers, but can head very well and often gets played as target man.

Kuijt as a striker within the system MVB uses, makes Kuijt having to drop back a bit deeper, and he's not there when (and if) the wingers cross. And you're not using Kuijt's positives that way, his finishing as a target man is not as lethal as RVN's.

I don't think I'll watch the games to be honest. MVB has taken away the joy of watching Oranje play. We'll defeat minnows due to out individual class, but as a team we linger on a bit.
I don't care anymore, and I watched the games under Louis van Gaal and Dick Advocaat! We'll win with a blow out and scrape one, then MVB will be hailed as a tactical genius ==> we'll reach the EC08, then play miserable again.

For the first time in my life I can say I have nothing but a barely-there-interest in Oranje. All due to MVB. He's blagging his way to the top. Almost complete indifference - I've watched the previous campaign, the WC, his starting line-up against Ireland and his selection and purging. I know enough.

The Real White Pele wrote:

Axeslammer ! wrote:

The Real White Pele wrote:
so not sure if playing him upfront as ther main striker would work Axeslammer..

He's my fourth choice for Oranje (in all his wisdom *cough* Van Basten has axed my numbers 2 and 3)...

1) KJH (just edges Ruud because of age)
2) RVN
...
...
...
3) Makaay
4) RVP
5) JVOH

Do you not think Kuyt could do a job? Surely a better option than JVOH!

Kuyt is better BUT in another system! He is a more versatile player than JVoH but as alone striker I would have played with JVoH at the World Cup and NOT with RvN or Kuijt! In the system of MvB at the World Cup we would have had at least a forward because JVoH is a physical and tall player where you can pass long balls at! Kuyt, Huntelaar and Ruud are all not that good in controlling long high balls!

Yes

Yes !

YES !!!

Sneijder stays in Amsterdam and we get real quality instead : Demi de Zeeuw !

....maybe there's a God after all

Axeslammer ! wrote:Yes

Yes !

YES !!!

Sneijder stays in Amsterdam and we get real quality instead : Demi de Zeeuw !

....maybe there's a God after all

But if I can still be a bit pessimistic. I wanted de Zeeuw there but who's gonna play attacking mid? vPersie?

SpartaR wrote:

Axeslammer ! wrote:Yes

Yes !

YES !!!

Sneijder stays in Amsterdam and we get real quality instead : Demi de Zeeuw !

....maybe there's a God after all

But if I can still be a bit pessimistic. I wanted de Zeeuw there but who's gonna play attacking mid? vPersie?

Theo Janssen ?

Van der Sar

Heitinga - Boulah - Mathijsen - De Cler

De Zeeuw - Schaars - De Jong

Kuyt - Huntelaar - Van Persie


Will Marco try something like this ?

Axeslammer ! wrote:Yes

Yes !

YES !!!

Sneijder stays in Amsterdam and we get real quality instead : Demi de Zeeuw !

....maybe there's a God after all

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Great news!!!!! HE is not in the team...Hurray

Oh and Marco, put Robin on the nr 10 spot now Vdv is gone plzz..

Axeslammer ! wrote:Van der Sar

Heitinga - Ooijer - Mathijsen - De Cler

De Zeeuw - Schaars - De Jong

Kuyt - Huntelaar - Van Persie


Will Marco try something like this ?

a bit uncreative midfield....

I would try now
-----------------Sar

Heitinga - Ooijer - Mathijsen - De Cler

-------De Zeeuw - Schaars -

--------------------RvP---------------

Kuyt----------KJH------------Robben

ricardojol wrote:

Axeslammer ! wrote:Van der Sar

Heitinga - Ooijer - Mathijsen - De Cler

De Zeeuw - Schaars - De Jong

Kuyt - Huntelaar - Van Persie


Will Marco try something like this ?

a bit uncreative midfield....

I would try now
-----------------Sar

Heitinga - Ooijer - Mathijsen - De Cler

-------De Zeeuw - Schaars -

--------------------RvP---------------

Kuyt----------KJH------------Robben

VdV and Robben are both out...

Where's Castelen when you finally rate him

Oh wait you are right! ....

Babel then.... .

It's a pity the former Den Haag star is injured

Castelen is still out for a few weeks...

I can see Schaars (if he keeps up his club form) as a regular for Oranje in games to come..this is one department van Basten surely must be excited about (don't forget Maduro..)

At the moment it's best to forget Maduro....he's doing a Heitinga.

Let's hope Maduro *does* recover.

Axeslammer ! wrote:At the moment it's best to forget Maduro....he's doing a Heitinga.

Let's hope Maduro *does* recover.

I don't know what happen to him..i blame the Ajax canteen (KJH is also not playing well), and the other Ajax player (number 10 for the Amsterdam based club) who i am not allowed to mention or name is having the time of his life but due to 'personal' reasons means he is not in the squad..

Which player has the most caps behind Van der Sar in the Oranje against Luxembourg squad??????

he has 27 caps...!

ricardojol wrote:Which player has the most caps behind Van der Sar in the Oranje against Luxembourg squad??????

he has 27 caps...!

I'm trying to guess.

Can't be Gio, he has more...

Ooijer has always been overlooked, so I don't think it's him either.

Landzaat or Kuyt I'd guess...

erm, erm....Landzaat ?

Just checked the VI-site : Landzaat is on 27

....Kuyt isn't part of their selection though

Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!

Axeslammer ! wrote:Just checked the VI-site : Landzaat is on 27

....Kuyt isn't part of their selection though

Another for MvB

Distinguished Dutchman wrote:

Axeslammer ! wrote:Just checked the VI-site : Landzaat is on 27

....Kuyt isn't part of their selection though

Another for MvB

He isn't on the VI-site Oranje selection.....not even Marco would dare to leave him out of the squad.


....on the other hand, let's not give him ideas

What you mean he is not in the squad....?

BTW Kuyt has 22 games now!

ricardojol wrote:What you mean he is not in the squad....?

Oi, he is now !

I swear you he wasn't before....