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Thanks Football "Hleb is a winger" Genius. Anyhow in regards to the highlighted question. - Arsene Wenger, he did it with Petit and Vieira. Mancini has Vieira and Cambiasso. Cappello had Vieira and Emerson.Football Genius wrote:shazlx wrote:So you need a world class box2box midfielder to compliment him. OK good luck finding one. Cesc just needed an improved Flamini, Scholes did well with Carrick.Football Genius wrote:Gerrard is not everbodys cup of tea, i can appreciate this.
I was a central midfielder and i always loved watching players like Roy Keane, Bryan Robson, Vieira etc. real box to box midfielders in their hay day.
The real difference between the above and Gerrard is that Gerrard can be looked upon as a match winner whereas the above never really hit as many goals and particularly few in crucial games.
I'd take a fully fit Gerrard in the centre of the park over any other central midfielder in the world, but then i am a Liverpool fan, what we need is somebody behind him who is strong can tackle and has excellent distribution to compliment him perfectly
Instead of shaz perhaps spaz would be a better name
Of course i wouldn't want a box to box midfielder next to him, what idiot would put two box to box midfielders in a team, you're not McClown in disguise are you?
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shazlx- Number of posts : 5564
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Haha, not one of those combinations behaved as two box to box midfielders playing next to each other.
Congrats Spaz you've clowned yourself again
Congrats Spaz you've clowned yourself again
shazlx- Number of posts : 5564
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Ok, if you say so.Football Genius wrote:Haha, not one of those combinations behaved as two box to box midfielders playing next to each other.
Congrats Spaz you've clowned yourself again
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Parks lives wrote:My favourite ever Gerrard post taken from Redcafe
'Gerrard always was and always will be a poor mans Roy Keane. Even when Keane was 33 with a dodgy hip and knee he'd have Gerrard on a short leash when we ever we played that lot. Keano would slow the game down and Gerrard would be running around like a headless chicken wasting his energy and when he was fucked Keane would speed it up and "Stevie G" would go missing, meandering around the part aimlessly like a looking for his mum in a shopping centre, and after a while, once Gerrard got some energy back and summoned up a bit of courage to sprint around like an idiot again, spraying pointless and easily cut out long balls, Keano would slow it down and Gerrard would do his little fish-out-of-water routine again. If it wasn't so pathetic it might have been funny, and if I have had a little more compassion I'd probably feel sorry for him.
You would have thought he'd grow out of it, but he hasn't.'
Not the best analogy what with him being a scouser
Agree with TS about the 3 man midfield.
He can play as part of a 2 man CM against a very Northern European opposition eg Krauts and Chelsea but against Latin style teams eg Benfica, Arsenal, Milan etc its asking for trouble.
Hlebagone- Number of posts : 6086
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It can't be in the hole/off a striker in a three man midfield though. It removes all of his best qualities and he hasnt got the vision to play there.
shazlx- Number of posts : 5564
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He's got the vision, I'll give him that. But he just ain't got the skill to play that position.Hlebadinho wrote:It can't be in the hole/off a striker in a three man midfield though. It removes all of his best qualities and he hasnt got the vision to play there.
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110% wrote:Allez les rouges wrote:Why don't we just let the Sun choose our world XI?
What has this got to do with it? Is ballack only good becasue the sun's equivalent in germany says he is
The votes were from uefa users, and the uefa.com web-site is in different languages, so maybe it was the sol readers from spain and the soleil readers from italy. Or maybe he is just highly regarded as opposed to ballack who was highly regarded 2 years ago.
I'm sure you'd be the second one wanking yourself off over it if ballack had been named, otto being the first of course. The 2 of you would be having your own little ballack love-in thread.
Great post
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Gerrard's great player.
I told you many times.the best english team is
----------------------Kirkland-------------------------
Neville--------Rio--------Campbell---------J.Samuel
-------------Heargraves----Carrick--------------
Gerard---------------------------------Murphy
----------------Owen----Heskey-----------------------
I told you many times.the best english team is
----------------------Kirkland-------------------------
Neville--------Rio--------Campbell---------J.Samuel
-------------Heargraves----Carrick--------------
Gerard---------------------------------Murphy
----------------Owen----Heskey-----------------------
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Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:Gerrard's great player.
I told you many times.the best english team is
----------------------Kirkland-------------------------
Neville--------Rio--------Campbell---------J.Samuel
-------------Heargraves----Carrick--------------
Gerard---------------------------------Murphy
----------------Owen----Heskey-----------------------
It's 2008 now Arnie, Maybe 3 yrs ago, but not now.
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Gerrard is the best flat-track bully in the world. No other player can hammer mediocrity as well as Gerrard. Look at how amazing he is against Luton et all. Yet at the highest level his lack of technical ability or intelligence shines like Roy Keane's collection of Premiership winners medals.
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I like the fighting spirit from Murphy,Gerrard and Emile...Clearly underated.Spurs Medical Centrewrote:
Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:Gerrard's great player.
I told you many times.the best english team is
----------------------Kirkland-------------------------
Neville--------Rio--------Campbell---------J.Samuel
-------------Heargraves----Carrick--------------
Gerard---------------------------------Murphy
----------------Owen----Heskey-----------------------
It's 2008 now Arnie, Maybe 3 yrs ago, but not now.
When Emile played for England he was two times your best player FFS! why then you decided to not play him again after 2 amazing performances ???
England have some good players.A shame people there prefer big names to hard workers.That's why Lampard will always be prefered to Carrick ect ect...
Gerrard should be the new england captain as far as i concerned
Parks lives- Number of posts : 34521
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So pick Heskey because he's shown good form & make Gerrard captain because he's been sh*t?
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Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:I like the fighting spirit from Murphy,Gerrard and Emile...Clearly underated.Spurs Medical CentreArnaud loves Catherine wrote:Gerrard's great player.
I told you many times.the best english team is
----------------------Kirkland-------------------------
Neville--------Rio--------Campbell---------J.Samuel
-------------Heargraves----Carrick--------------
Gerard---------------------------------Murphy
----------------Owen----Heskey-----------------------
It's 2008 now Arnie, Maybe 3 yrs ago, but not now.
When Emile played for England he was two times your best player FFS! why then you decided to not play him again after 2 amazing performances ???
England have some good players.A shame people there prefer big names to hard workers.That's why Lampard will always be prefered to Carrick ect ect...
Gerrard should be the new england captain as far as i concerned
You talk some sense but murphy???!!?? Also he doesn't want to play for a foreign manager
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Carlton Cole > Heskey. IMO he should be in the team a head of Crouch, Defoe, Bent and Johnson .
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$h!t for England you mean ?Parks lives wrote:So pick Heskey because he's shown good form & make Gerrard captain because he's been sh*t?
National teams aren't PL teams.In a Pl team a manager can only choose between 30 players..For a national team a manager can choose between millions and millions of players.
Domenech said something like "It's clear i prefer my son to Mexes but it is clear Mexes is the better footballer.So for my country i'll put Mexes in my list and my son will stay at home"
I think the same thing about Lampard and co...Seem decent persons but aren't good enough on the pitch.Gerrard at least proved his worth in CL with Liverpool in 2005.
It is clear Lampard being a favorite a Chelsea the reason why he plays for England.Some people have to accept he isn't good enough at international level.He had his chance and failed.Sometimes the reason is more important than the heart
Parks lives- Number of posts : 34521
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Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:$h!t for England you mean ?Parks lives wrote:So pick Heskey because he's shown good form & make Gerrard captain because he's been sh*t?
Yes.
Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:
National teams aren't PL teams.In a Pl team a manager can only choose between 30 players..For a national team a manager can choose between millions and millions of players.
Domenech said something like "It's clear i prefer my son to Mexes but it is clear Mexes is the better footballer.So for my country i'll put Mexes in my list and my son will stay at home"
I think the same thing about Lampard and co...Seem decent persons but aren't good enough on the pitch.Gerrard at least proved his worth in CL with Liverpool in 2005.
It is clear Lampard being a favorite a Chelsea the reason why he plays for England.Some people have to accept he isn't good enough at international level.He had his chance and failed.Sometimes the reason is more important than the heart
Have you been in a timewarp or something Arnuad?
Gerrard hasn't played well for England in ages either. Plus Campbell, Owen, Samuel and Murphy are nothing like the players they were 2-3 years ago (was Samuel ever that good?).
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shazlx wrote:Carlton Cole > Heskey. IMO he should be in the team a head of Crouch, Defoe, Bent and Johnson .
Dave Kitson > Carlton Cole.
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i've seen only 2 times JL Samuel but he was good two times! that's already more than Ashley Cole !Parks lives wrote:Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:$h!t for England you mean ?Parks lives wrote:So pick Heskey because he's shown good form & make Gerrard captain because he's been sh*t?
Yes.Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:
National teams aren't PL teams.In a Pl team a manager can only choose between 30 players..For a national team a manager can choose between millions and millions of players.
Domenech said something like "It's clear i prefer my son to Mexes but it is clear Mexes is the better footballer.So for my country i'll put Mexes in my list and my son will stay at home"
I think the same thing about Lampard and co...Seem decent persons but aren't good enough on the pitch.Gerrard at least proved his worth in CL with Liverpool in 2005.
It is clear Lampard being a favorite a Chelsea the reason why he plays for England.Some people have to accept he isn't good enough at international level.He had his chance and failed.Sometimes the reason is more important than the heart
Have you been in a timewarp or something Arnuad?
Gerrard hasn't played well for England in ages either. Plus Campbell, Owen, Samuel and Murphy are nothing like the players they were 2-3 years ago (was Samuel ever that good?).
Murphy was sold cos Benitez knew nothing about him.Same thing for Emile.
That's why they are playing for crappy teams now..Simply because a fucking bitter spanish sold them without good reasons.With the money Benirtez bought Nunez to remplace Murphy!
I can assure you they were WC some years ago at Liverpool.Always been a huge Emile fan and wasn't surprised he did well when McLaren called him to save England.With him Owen scored...no surprise for me.
Anyway critic Gerrard if you want...Keep faith in Rooney or Terry and Lampard but then don't complain if you aren't good enough to qualify for major tournaments.i gave you the answer to your national team problem
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Well Murphy and Samuel are never going to get recalled. Samuel can't even get in his club side at the moment.
Still a chance for Heskey though and Owen will always get called up. I wouldn't mind seeing how Heskey and Rooney get on together to be honest. Still yet to be tried.
Still a chance for Heskey though and Owen will always get called up. I wouldn't mind seeing how Heskey and Rooney get on together to be honest. Still yet to be tried.
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kitson, heskey, Jlloyd, cole and gerrard are all $h!t. none of them should ever play international football ever again.
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Football Genius wrote:You don't achieve what he has whilst being an integral part of a team, if you're 'average'
Scoring in one final might be considered flukey, but in 6 finals?
Go f@ck yourself Otto, complete WUM i'd love to smash your dirty German teeth into pieces
Have one on me
Sig worthy stuff
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"Scoring in one final might be considered flukey, but in 6 finals.."
Football genius is a clown but he has a point.I agree with him...Gerrard always scored when it matters.
UEFA final vs Alaves..LC vs MU (wonderful shot)...FA cup against WH...CL vs Milan
Gerrard's great..Don't see why he is so contreversial.
Football genius is a clown but he has a point.I agree with him...Gerrard always scored when it matters.
UEFA final vs Alaves..LC vs MU (wonderful shot)...FA cup against WH...CL vs Milan
Gerrard's great..Don't see why he is so contreversial.
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LordAnger wrote:Gerrard is the best flat-track bully in the world. No other player can hammer mediocrity as well as Gerrard. Look at how amazing he is against Luton et all. Yet at the highest level his lack of technical ability or intelligence shines like Roy Keane's collection of Premiership winners medals.
your point would be fine if as others have pointed out, he had not played a major part in just about every final he has played in
If you are looking for the world's best flat track bully look no further than FC ronaldo or berbatov
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Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:"Scoring in one final might be considered flukey, but in 6 finals.."
Football genius is a clown but he has a point.I agree with him...Gerrard always scored when it matters.
UEFA final vs Alaves..LC vs MU (wonderful shot)...FA cup against WH...CL vs Milan
Gerrard's great..Don't see why he is so contreversial.
I'll take this as a compliment coming from the messiah himself shall i?
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COTR wrote:LordAnger wrote:Gerrard is the best flat-track bully in the world. No other player can hammer mediocrity as well as Gerrard. Look at how amazing he is against Luton et all. Yet at the highest level his lack of technical ability or intelligence shines like Roy Keane's collection of Premiership winners medals.
your point would be fine if as others have pointed out, he had not played a major part in just about every final he has played in
If you are looking for the world's best flat track bully look no further than FC ronaldo or berbatov
You could almost argue that every player that's good at something is a flat track bully in what they do.
Gerrard is a class player. My problem with him is that he hasn't shown in consistently for England. For Liverpool, he's been top class for about 6 seasons now though.
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Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:"Scoring in one final might be considered flukey, but in 6 finals.."
Football genius is a clown but he has a point.I agree with him...Gerrard always scored when it matters.
UEFA final vs Alaves..LC vs MU (wonderful shot)...FA cup against WH...CL vs Milan
Gerrard's great..Don't see why he is so contreversial.
Wonderful deflection
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lolL r d wrote:Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:"Scoring in one final might be considered flukey, but in 6 finals.."
Football genius is a clown but he has a point.I agree with him...Gerrard always scored when it matters.
UEFA final vs Alaves..LC vs MU (wonderful shot)...FA cup against WH...CL vs Milan
Gerrard's great..Don't see why he is so contreversial.
Wonderful deflection
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt_xEjvJzPY
L.r.d- Number of posts : 5614
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Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:lolL r d wrote:Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:"Scoring in one final might be considered flukey, but in 6 finals.."
Football genius is a clown but he has a point.I agree with him...Gerrard always scored when it matters.
UEFA final vs Alaves..LC vs MU (wonderful shot)...FA cup against WH...CL vs Milan
Gerrard's great..Don't see why he is so contreversial.
Wonderful deflection
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt_xEjvJzPY
Beckham OG
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and this one ?L r d wrote:Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:lolL r d wrote:Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:"Scoring in one final might be considered flukey, but in 6 finals.."
Football genius is a clown but he has a point.I agree with him...Gerrard always scored when it matters.
UEFA final vs Alaves..LC vs MU (wonderful shot)...FA cup against WH...CL vs Milan
Gerrard's great..Don't see why he is so contreversial.
Wonderful deflection
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt_xEjvJzPY
Beckham OG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOgoUzNKalk&feature=related
L.r.d- Number of posts : 5614
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Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:and this one ?L r d wrote:Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:lolL r d wrote:Arnaud loves Catherine wrote:"Scoring in one final might be considered flukey, but in 6 finals.."
Football genius is a clown but he has a point.I agree with him...Gerrard always scored when it matters.
UEFA final vs Alaves..LC vs MU (wonderful shot)...FA cup against WH...CL vs Milan
Gerrard's great..Don't see why he is so contreversial.
Wonderful deflection
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt_xEjvJzPY
Beckham OG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOgoUzNKalk&feature=related
What final was that?