Should Gerrard be dropped?

OK, I think we can all admit that Lampard shouldn't make the England C team, never mind the A team, but what the "inspirational" leader, whose inspiration appears to have deserted him on that famous night in Germany in September 2001.

This topic is now becoming quite an issue, with Gerrard picking up another MOTM award (must've been his 5th or 6th in a row now) leaving other England players feeling agrieved.

Serious question, yes or no?

god you really are a desperate man SP


yeah put carrick in in his place

or better still get jenas in there


that should do the trick

No.

Just drop Lampard to the Bench for now and try the others with Gerrard.

I swear though if he gets another unjustified MOTM for playing Cr@p I am gonna go insane.

Nope

COTR,

This has gone on long enough.

The fact that SG won MOTM tonight was like a dagger in the heart.

I think I may try to find clips of Pool fans standing outside Anfield burning the shirt of Gerrard when he nearly joined us.

I might go ask them if they fancy a reunion, only this time on the doors of the office in Soho Square.

Whilst I don't think he has ever really given a great performance in an England shirt, I'd like to see him without Flumps first. So I voted No. In a midfield of:

----------Hargreaves---------
Bentley---Gerrard------Barry

If he doesn't perform in within the next year though, I'd definitely consider it.

No, drop Lampard.

Then see how he does.

Calidad wrote:Whilst I don't think he has ever really given a great performance in an England shirt, I'd like to see him without Flumps first. So I voted No. In a midfield of:

----------Hargreaves---------
Bentley---Gerrard------Barry

If he doesn't perform in within the next year though, I'd definitely consider it.

He was good against Germany away but then many were.

We already tried Gerrard in the centre without Lamps v Andorra.

Remember how that one went?

It was only when Andorra became tired after chasing shadows for 50+ minutes that Gerrard finally broke through.

Jesus, even Lampard could have scored 2 goals that night.

@ SP

you are making a fool of yourself mate


Im not just defending gerrard for the sake of it but he is one of the only england players emerging with credit under Mc'claren's regime

without him england would not have even beaten andorra


you are criminally deluded if you think there is even a remote possiblity of him being dropped

S4P2 wrote:We already tried Gerrard in the centre without Lamps v Andorra.

Remember how that one went?

It was only when Andorra became tired after chasing shadows for 50+ minutes that Gerrard finally broke through.

Jesus, even Lampard could have scored 2 goals that night.

you somehow use the andorra game as a way of bashing him


strange tactics SP

Give Beckham, Gerrard, Hargreaves and J Cole at least 5 games in a row.

Seriously retarded question.

Ronaldiniho had a Cr@p world cup...Shall we have him dropped as well?

~CT~ wrote:Seriously retarded question.

Ronaldiniho had a Cr@p world cup...Shall we have him dropped as well?

Ronaldinho had a Cr@p world cup.

Gerrard has had a Cr@p 5 years.

There's a difference.

No, because he epitomises England's strength - non-stop, going at the opposition, putting crosses in, always working hard, etc. Too bad the current and previous manager have completely abandoned any use of these strengths.

I think the team should be like others have posted - Gerrard with Hargreaves behind him, though I would also like to see if Carrick-Gerrard works.

kas wrote:No, because he epitomises England's strength - non-stop, going at the opposition, putting crosses in, always working hard, etc. Too bad the current and previous manager have completely abandoned any use of these strengths.

I think the team should be like others have posted - Gerrard with Hargreaves behind him, though I would also like to see if Carrick-Gerrard works.

This is an insult but it's true.

Embarrassing.

Yes, unless he wants to play RB (seriously). I'm tired of the excuses of it being Lampard's fault. Yes, Lampard is $h!t, and yes Gerrard is better than him but there is no reason why he should not be able to pass to other players. Flump is not reason why he should have a $h!t touch, flump is not the reason which he has weak technique. Essien can still play well with Lampard in the team, if Gerrard is WC then at least get the basics right FFS.

OwenThomas4 wrote:

kas wrote:No, because he epitomises England's strength - non-stop, going at the opposition, putting crosses in, always working hard, etc. Too bad the current and previous manager have completely abandoned any use of these strengths.

I think the team should be like others have posted - Gerrard with Hargreaves behind him, though I would also like to see if Carrick-Gerrard works.

This is an insult but it's true.

Embarrassing.

it's always been a reality for england

no point pretending otherwise

the best england teams of recent times (we may have to go way back in the memory banks for this one ) have utilised these strengths. something the Mc'Claren/sven combo have so far continually failed to do

Team should always play 4-4-2 at high tempo full stop.

OwenThomas4 wrote:

kas wrote:No, because he epitomises England's strength - non-stop, going at the opposition, putting crosses in, always working hard, etc. Too bad the current and previous manager have completely abandoned any use of these strengths.

I think the team should be like others have posted - Gerrard with Hargreaves behind him, though I would also like to see if Carrick-Gerrard works.

This is an insult but it's true.

Embarrassing.

No, I don't think so. I'm not saying they're a bad footballing side. The players are reasonably good technically (not Spain, Italy, Brazil, Argentina, etc.) but more than good enough. But there's just an overall feeling of lethargy rather than any passion (as much as I hate to use that cliche), which is holding England back.

I don't even understand why the team has to be so defensive, the two CBs and generally the fullbacks are always good. Trust them a little more, play a slightly deeper midfielder since two "normal" ones in Gerrard and Lampard doesn't work, and just go for it. It's simple.

Silver surfer wrote:Team should always play 4-4-2 at high tempo full stop.

We won't ever win anything (we won't anyway) but at least it would be exciting.

shazlx wrote:Yes, unless he wants to play RB (seriously). I'm tired of the excuses of it being Lampard's fault. Yes, Lampard is $h!t, and yes Gerrard is better than him but there is no reason why he should not be able to pass to other players. Flump is not reason why he should have a $h!t touch, flump is not the reason which he has weak technique. Essien can still play well with Lampard in the team, if Gerrard is WC then at least get the basics right FFS.

Now that I agree with.

OwenThomas4 wrote:

Silver surfer wrote:Team should always play 4-4-2 at high tempo full stop.

We won't ever win anything (we won't anyway) but at least it would be exciting.

Exactly, at least it will get the fans behind the team. Once English fans get going, that's half the battle won against any opposition team.

I just hope more and more technical players come to the EPL and become a success (Anderson/Ronaldo/Nani = ) because eventually the mentality of the coaching will gradually change from the hoof it mentality. I am sick of these grafters.

OwenThomas4 wrote:I just hope more and more technical players come to the EPL and become a success (Anderson/Ronaldo/Nani = ) because eventually the mentality of the coaching will gradually change from the hoof it mentality. I am sick of these grafters.

Thats the thing, his not even a true grafter, Makalele, Mascherano, Gilberto, Hargreaves... are grafters and can also pass competently (sometimes brilliantly). Englaish grafters = Barton, Noble, Mullins... we'll see if they mature (Barton, we probably won't)

I think we should drop him and flumps for a few games, the way Brazil dropped Ronaldinho for a while, just to make him realise, that even though he is one of our best players, he has to step his game up.

Rez wrote:I think we should drop him and flumps for a few games, the way Brazil dropped Ronaldinho for a while, just to make him realise, that even though he is one of our best players, he has to step his game up.

BTW not one of the best players, lets get that clear.

Rez wrote:I think we should drop him and flumps for a few games, the way Brazil dropped Ronaldinho for a while, just to make him realise, that even though he is one of our best players, he has to step his game up.

totally unrealistic though

without gerrard england would not have even beaten andorra

I think you realise that dropping gerrard is not the answer, however good the idea may seem in theory.

plus the MOTM display means there is even less chance

by the time england get through not playing everyone who deserves to be dropped gerrard, flump, beckham, rooney, cole, owen, robinson there simply won't be many players left

COTR wrote:

Rez wrote:I think we should drop him and flumps for a few games, the way Brazil dropped Ronaldinho for a while, just to make him realise, that even though he is one of our best players, he has to step his game up.

totally unrealistic though

without gerrard england would not have even beaten andorra

I think you realise that dropping gerrard is not the answer, however good the idea may seem in theory.

plus the MOTM display means there is even less chance

by the time england get through not playing everyone who deserves to be dropped gerrard, flump, beckham, rooney, cole, owen, robinson there simply won't be many players left

This is your problem, ( and McClarens, how do you know his replacement would not have stepped up.

shazlx wrote:

COTR wrote:

Rez wrote:I think we should drop him and flumps for a few games, the way Brazil dropped Ronaldinho for a while, just to make him realise, that even though he is one of our best players, he has to step his game up.

totally unrealistic though

without gerrard england would not have even beaten andorra

I think you realise that dropping gerrard is not the answer, however good the idea may seem in theory.

plus the MOTM display means there is even less chance

by the time england get through not playing everyone who deserves to be dropped gerrard, flump, beckham, rooney, cole, owen, robinson there simply won't be many players left

This is your problem, ( and McClarens, how do you know his replacement would not have stepped up.

well the other 10 players in the team that night didn't

his replacements didn't step up in croatia when they got thrashed without him

your main problem is you think there will be some sort of miracle solution when the odds are greater that england with as you said earlier barton, barry or jenas would perform worse