Rank the Managers

Parks lives wrote:Benitez first Puro?

No doubt! La Liga champ with Valencia TWICE, Champions League Finalist TWICE, UEFA Cup. Fergie would acknowledge it to you personally that Rafa runs circles around him coaching. True story Parky!

Never underestimate Carlos Queiroz input in your team. He's winning them matches for the Mancs the last few years. True story Parky...again!

borocooper wrote:Everyone usually has us relegated too, including me. Southgate should be higher

He's got decent players though. Downing, Tuncay, Wheaties, Arca etc.

This thread leads me to believe that only i know about football tbh. Shocking stuff.

Puro wrote:Benitez, Ferguson, Wenger, Ramos, Ericksson, O'Neill, Redknapp, Moyes, Grant, Hodgson, McLeish, Hughes, Keane, Southgate. Can't be bothered with the remaining mediocrity to be honest with you all.

Where is Keegan you fucko?

Kimbo wrote:

Puro wrote:Benitez, Ferguson, Wenger, Ramos, Ericksson, O'Neill, Redknapp, Moyes, Grant, Hodgson, McLeish, Hughes, Keane, Southgate. Can't be bothered with the remaining mediocrity to be honest with you all.

Where is Keegan you fucko?

Oh FFS! are we gonna have another episode of "Puro, ______ destroys your theory that English coaches are shite, that's why you don't rate him" just like what you did with Fat Sam back in July when I told you he was SHITE so many times!

Puro wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Puro wrote:Benitez, Ferguson, Wenger, Ramos, Ericksson, O'Neill, Redknapp, Moyes, Grant, Hodgson, McLeish, Hughes, Keane, Southgate. Can't be bothered with the remaining mediocrity to be honest with you all.

Where is Keegan you fucko?

Oh FFS! are we gonna have another episode of "Puro, ______ destroys your theory that English coaches are shite, that's why you don't rate him" just like what you did with Fat Sam back in July when I told you he was SHITE so many times!

Is this you writing Keegan off as English shite Puro?

Kimbo wrote:
Is this you writing Keegan off as English shite Puro?

No, Keegan is a SHITE football manager period. Redknapp is a good manager, he's English. Southgate is a promise, jury's still out on him, but he's shown some interesting tactics with what he's had to work with.

Keegan fucked it all up when he was up against only Ferguson back in the day. He failed miserably lately with Citeh. What makes you think he'll beat Redknapp, O'Neill, Moyes let alone the very elite next season?

Puro wrote:

Kimbo wrote:
Is this you writing Keegan off as English shite Puro?

No, Keegan is a SHITE football manager period. Redknapp is a good manager, he's English. Southgate is a promise, jury's still out on him, but he's shown some interesting tactics with what he's had to work with.

Keegan fucked it all up when he was up against only Ferguson back in the day. He failed miserably lately with Citeh. What makes you think he'll beat Redknapp, O'Neill, Moyes let alone the very elite next season?

Keegan fucked up by taking a team from the brink of relegation from the 2nd division to 2nd in the premiership, he failed miserably by getting City promoted with a record goals tally and finished 9th in their first season back in the league. You're priceless.

I'm with Puro on this one. Keegan did well with big clubs in small divisions, would she have got Reading or Wigan up? Avram Grant or Roy Keane could have done a similar job.

Kimbo wrote:
Keegan fucked up by taking a team from the brink of relegation from the 2nd division to 2nd in the premiership, he failed miserably by getting City promoted with a record goals tally and finished 9th in their first season back in the league. You're priceless.

Back then during the time you're talking about Keegan's "success at Newcastle" there wasn't much of a difference from teams #4 and below in the Premiership, AND teams from the 2nd division. It was all loaded with talentless hoofers through and through.

I'm telling you NOW, Keegan won't finish in the top 8 EVER! Unless Benítez, Ramos, Ericksson, O'Neill, Redknapp, Wenger, Moyes, Ferguson, Grant are gone from the EPL. True fucking story Kimbo bro!

Puro wrote:

Kimbo wrote:
Keegan fucked up by taking a team from the brink of relegation from the 2nd division to 2nd in the premiership, he failed miserably by getting City promoted with a record goals tally and finished 9th in their first season back in the league. You're priceless.

Back then during the time you're talking about Keegan's "success at Newcastle" there wasn't much of a difference from teams #4 and below in the Premiership, AND teams from the 2nd division. It was all loaded with talentless hoofers through and through.

I'm telling you NOW, Keegan won't finish in the top 8 EVER! Unless Benítez, Ramos, Ericksson, O'Neill, Redknapp, Wenger, Moyes, Ferguson, Grant are gone from the EPL. True fucking story Kimbo bro!

How would you know, you admit you only started watching the league 5 years ago.

when Citeh, Fulham & Newcy were in the lower divisions with Keegan, he had by far the most to spend out of him & his direct competitors.

Kimbo wrote:

borocooper wrote:Everyone usually has us relegated too, including me. Southgate should be higher

He's got decent players though. Downing, Tuncay, Wheaties, Arca etc.

This thread leads me to believe that only i know about football tbh. Shocking stuff.

Yeah..he brought two of those in!

Tuncay for free and Arca(who isnt very good to be quite honest) on the cheap.

The Coolest™ wrote:when Citeh, Fulham & Newcy were in the lower divisions with Keegan, he had by far the most to spend out of him & his direct competitors.

Keegan barely spent anything at Fulham, and only spent any real money with City when they got promoted. That argument doesn't hold water IMO.

The Coolest™ wrote:when Citeh, Fulham & Newcy were in the lower divisions with Keegan, he had by far the most to spend out of him & his direct competitors.

exactly my point. Fulham when the Egyptian took over were a mini version of Chelsea when the Russian took over. They over paid for players, but they got everyone worth having in the low leagues.

Kimbo wrote:

The Coolest wrote:when Citeh, Fulham & Newcy were in the lower divisions with Keegan, he had by far the most to spend out of him & his direct competitors.

Keegan barely spent anything at Fulham

give me a break! Talk to any Fulham fan, they were spending Premiership money - hundreds of thousands on players (mainly because selling clubs knew they had cash) First Division sides never spent over a million on a player before Keegan*

*probably

Glenn Hysén wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

The Coolest wrote:when Citeh, Fulham & Newcy were in the lower divisions with Keegan, he had by far the most to spend out of him & his direct competitors.

Keegan barely spent anything at Fulham

give me a break! Talk to any Fulham fan, they were spending Premiership money - hundreds of thousands on players (mainly because selling clubs knew they had cash) First Division sides never spent over a million on a player before Keegan*

*probably

Give me some examples.

Kimbo wrote:

Glenn Hysén wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

The Coolest wrote:when Citeh, Fulham & Newcy were in the lower divisions with Keegan, he had by far the most to spend out of him & his direct competitors.

Keegan barely spent anything at Fulham

give me a break! Talk to any Fulham fan, they were spending Premiership money - hundreds of thousands on players (mainly because selling clubs knew they had cash) First Division sides never spent over a million on a player before Keegan*

*probably

Give me some examples.

£2 million for Chris Coleman in 1997 when Fulham were in the Second Division.

Tell me that wasn't huge money for a side in the third flight in 1997, it would be now! Off the top of my head I can't tell you but there are countless examples of Keegan spending £250,00 here and £500,000 there on lower league losers.

Steve Finnan signed for £600,000 in the Second Division.

Steve Hayward, Paul Bracewell, Dirk Lehmann, Barry Hayles,

at the time you could spend £500,000 on Barry Hayes or on Nicolas Anelka. Guess which Keegan did?

1 Rafa
2 Eriksson
3 Jol
4 Redknapp
5 Wenger
6 Fergie
7 O neill
8 Keegan
9 Hughes
10 Moyes

11 Grand jew

Rest is $h!t

IMO

Moyes>Benitez

Parks lives wrote:Why do people have Bruce so low? Everyone had Wigan as relegated before he arrived.

they had the an awful manager previously, who had them in a false position given their squad

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

Parks lives wrote:Why do people have Bruce so low? Everyone had Wigan as relegated before he arrived.

they had the an awful manager previously, who had them in a false position given their squad

and he is a human potato.

debaser wrote:

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

Parks lives wrote:Why do people have Bruce so low? Everyone had Wigan as relegated before he arrived.

they had the an awful manager previously, who had them in a false position given their squad

and he is a human potato.

didnt' he already relegate a team before?

110% wrote:

debaser wrote:

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

Parks lives wrote:Why do people have Bruce so low? Everyone had Wigan as relegated before he arrived.

they had the an awful manager previously, who had them in a false position given their squad

and he is a human potato.

didnt' he already relegate a team before?

who?

Hutchings - Bradford
Bruce - Birmingham

110% wrote:

debaser wrote:

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

Parks lives wrote:Why do people have Bruce so low? Everyone had Wigan as relegated before he arrived.

they had the an awful manager previously, who had them in a false position given their squad

and he is a human potato.

didnt' he already relegate a team before?

to his credit, he did take Birmingham down. but then he brought them back up like yesterday's kebab, besmirching the whole premiership with their vile odour

Glenn Hysén wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Glenn Hysén wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

The Coolest wrote:when Citeh, Fulham & Newcy were in the lower divisions with Keegan, he had by far the most to spend out of him & his direct competitors.

Keegan barely spent anything at Fulham

give me a break! Talk to any Fulham fan, they were spending Premiership money - hundreds of thousands on players (mainly because selling clubs knew they had cash) First Division sides never spent over a million on a player before Keegan*

*probably

Give me some examples.

£2 million for Chris Coleman in 1997 when Fulham were in the Second Division.

Tell me that wasn't huge money for a side in the third flight in 1997, it would be now! Off the top of my head I can't tell you but there are countless examples of Keegan spending £250,00 here and £500,000 there on lower league losers.

Steve Finnan signed for £600,000 in the Second Division.

Steve Hayward, Paul Bracewell, Dirk Lehmann, Barry Hayles,

Keegan wasn't the manager in 97. Only Lehmann out of those players was signed by Keegan.

Didier Drogba just phoned in his list:
the ghost of Mourinho
Ferguson
Wenger
Moyes
O'Neill
Redknapp
Eriksson
Hughes
Curbishley
Ramos
Keegan
Keane
Southgate
Bruce
Coppell
Megson
McLeish
Hodgson
Jewell
Grant (c**t)
Benitez (c**t x10)

COTR wrote:

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

Luis wrote:

given what each has achieved in the EPL with the resources they've had, benitez has done $h!t. its difficult to use europe as a benchmark as not all of them have managed there

As long as you are willing to admit (as you just have done) that you are excluding a vast majority of rafa's CV on this basis ie the european titles, achievements and titles in Spain

But eh yeah, moyes it is then, who has 'managed there'

i'd pretty much disregard his titles in spain tbh, its like if/when quieroz takes over at OT he'll get them winning LEAGUE titles. that's all benitez did at valencia, cuper left him with an excellent side.

imho it takes more than performing well in europe each season to be a v good manager. i'm sure SAF could have done a lot better in europe IF he'd just worried about the 15 games in that competition every year

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

COTR wrote:

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

Luis wrote:

given what each has achieved in the EPL with the resources they've had, benitez has done $h!t. its difficult to use europe as a benchmark as not all of them have managed there

As long as you are willing to admit (as you just have done) that you are excluding a vast majority of rafa's CV on this basis ie the european titles, achievements and titles in Spain

But eh yeah, moyes it is then, who has 'managed there'

i'd pretty much disregard his titles in spain tbh, its like if/when quieroz takes over at OT he'll get them winning LEAGUE titles. that's all benitez did at valencia, cuper left him with an excellent side.

imho it takes more than performing well in europe each season to be a v good manager. i'm sure SAF could have done a lot better in europe IF he'd just worried about the 15 games in that competition every year

I have no doubt you would frank

Most sane people however will not

I can't be arsed getting into a serious discussion with

a) someone who puts moyes ahead of him

and

b) you

Kimbo wrote:

Glenn Hysén wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Glenn Hysén wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

The Coolest wrote:when Citeh, Fulham & Newcy were in the lower divisions with Keegan, he had by far the most to spend out of him & his direct competitors.

Keegan barely spent anything at Fulham

give me a break! Talk to any Fulham fan, they were spending Premiership money - hundreds of thousands on players (mainly because selling clubs knew they had cash) First Division sides never spent over a million on a player before Keegan*

*probably

Give me some examples.

£2 million for Chris Coleman in 1997 when Fulham were in the Second Division.

Tell me that wasn't huge money for a side in the third flight in 1997, it would be now! Off the top of my head I can't tell you but there are countless examples of Keegan spending £250,00 here and £500,000 there on lower league losers.

Steve Finnan signed for £600,000 in the Second Division.

Steve Hayward, Paul Bracewell, Dirk Lehmann, Barry Hayles,

Keegan wasn't the manager in 97. Only Lehmann out of those players was signed by Keegan.

fair enough, Al-Fayed didn't bankroll Fulham to the Premiership, it was Keegan's genius.