UEFA Cup last 32

so the French league is better than the German league!

I KNEW IT!

psg 2nd in france

wolfsburg can dream about a uefa cup place, and i think they will not reach one

and it was an awaygame for wolfsburg

Salihovic wrote:lol aston villa


here can you see, only the top of the table is high quality, (POOL, chelsea, manutd) the rest is just nothing special


dont understand how people can talk about best league in the world

spanish league would piss any day of the EPL

Eh? We didn't play too badly against a team with much more European experience. Some questionable defensive moments, but unsurprising given the face it was less than half of the first choice backline. Sure, they were better on the ball than us, but we made far more chances to score.

Were you the same ignoramus who was mocking Villa when our B-team got beat by Hamburg in a dead rubber?

Sgoater1 wrote:Braga 2-0 Standard - looks a great result at the mo.

3-0 FT - Brilliant result !

Sgoater1 wrote:

Sgoater1 wrote:Braga 2-0 Standard - looks a great result at the mo.

3-0 FT - Brilliant result !

Yeah, but the Belgian league may be even more shit than the German league.

where's chrissi ?

does anybody have the LATEST UEFA coefficient stats

I mean

after today ?

72-76-80-96-08 wrote:where's chrissi ?

I'm here.

72-76-80-96-08 wrote:does anybody have the LATEST UEFA coefficient stats

I mean

after today ?

Here you are, Otto.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2009.html

thanks, chrissi

Stuttgart, Bremen and HSV

HAVE to reach the next round

otherwise, we will lose round on Italy

pity, Werder could not win today

ah , well

we'll do it in the San Siro then

72-76-80-96-08 wrote:thanks, chrissi

No problem.

72-76-80-96-08 wrote:Stuttgart, Bremen and HSV

HAVE to reach the next round

otherwise, we will lose round on Italy

pity, Werder could not win today

ah , well

we'll do it in the San Siro then

HSV already reached the next round, Stuttgart has a good chance, especially without Timoschuk.

With regard to Bremen I doubt we can reach the next round. Milan are too clever and Kaka will be back. We would have needed a win today without conceding a goal. Surprising though, that we really could have achieved that without Fritzchen´s black out.

Anyway, it´s Allofs fault we more or less have to play without fullbacks this season.

De Guzman wrote:Mad Jens is at it again. What a clown.

The scene with Jens and Boulahrouz war really priceless.

I think I`ll miss him if he retires after this season.

Sgoater1 wrote:

DS wrote:Is it not called the Europa league ?

Not till next season

Does the format changes ?

Get with the programme DS!

This one's for Otto

Fixstern mit Schattenseiten

http://www.sueddeutsche.de/,tt7m1/sport/287/458935/text/

chrissicross wrote:

De Guzman wrote:Mad Jens is at it again. What a clown.

The scene with Jens and Boulahrouz war really priceless.

I think I`ll miss him if he retires after this season.

Loved his acting during corners, starting little bust up with Russian players. I already miss him, now I only havre to do with Bundesliga highlights.

Great character, not a grey mouse like most goalies.

Your fullbacks are a problem indeed (Frtiz made serious mistakes, still doubt Boenisch' football qualities. Pity you couldn;'t get crosses in, because you do have got good headers). Watched the second half, was really hoping you'ld win. Just wasn't your night, I mean how did the ball not go in towards the end.

Tweedle wrote:Get with the programme DS!

We have not played in the competition ever Tweed and you are probably going to play in it next year, so I accept that my knowledge of it is not as much as yours.

Harry`s Moans Leave A Sour Taste...




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Twenty-five years ago Spurs won the UEFA Cup, beating Anderlecht on
penalties after a thrilling late equaliser by the beast that was Graham
Roberts in front of a rampant 46,000 fans at White Hart Lane. It was
Eidur Gudjohnsen's dad who missed the Belgian penalty to hand Spurs
their victory.

Back when Spurs were really successful and played some of the
finest flair football you could ever wish to see, they were managed by
two great Yorkshiremen, Bill Nicholson and later Keith Burkenshaw. They
won the UEFA Cup twice in 12 years, were runners-up once and lost to
Liverpool and Barcelona in the semi-finals of two others.

At the time the UEFA Cup was an important European honour to win
and a great tournament to watch. Indeed, when it replaced the Fairs Cup
in the 1971-72 season, Spurs were the first club to lift the new
trophy.


With only the winners of the domestic leagues in the European Cup,
it left a lot of good teams to play in the UEFA Cup and in my memory,
the games were often better than their more prestigious counterparts
competition. You were guaranteed goals too, as Spurs fans will recall
after a 14-0 aggregate win 25 years ago over Drogheda United in the
first round. It was a straightforward two-legged tie - win six ties and
you won the cup. So if you went all the way you played 12 games. Even
the final was a two-legged affair.


In the 1984-85 season, Tottenham played 61 games in total. They
could be a thrilling side going forward with Glenn Hoddle playing some
of the best football of his career - it's often forgotten outside of
The Lane just what a unique player Hoddle was. Blessed with both the
vision and ability to play killer passes at any distance, he had good
claim to be one of the best players on earth at that time. Indeed, no
lesser genius than Johan Cruyff had come into the Spurs dressing room
after a 6-2 aggregate defeat of Feyenood in October to sign his shirt.
It was Hoddle that really drove that UEFA Cup side on and with Steve
Archibald knocking in the goals, they were quite a force.

Defensively, they were far less accomplished and their 8th league
position was down to conceding 65 goals that season. They were a team
that seemed built for and who relished cup football. The UEFA Cup of
that season was to be their last European trophy. It's been a long 25
years since Hoddle graced The Lane with his brilliance.


Sadly, for a club with a decent European pedigree, the UEFA Cup is
no longer a priority. In fact it seems Redknapp sees it more as a
hindrance in his campaign to keep his expensively-assembled squad of
internationals from getting relegated.


Yet it's surely not unreasonable to think that given the vast
playing and financial resources available at Spurs that even without a
manager, Spurs could finish above the bottom three. A side with the
likes of Cudicini, King, Lennon, Keane et al shouldn't be in any danger
at all of going down. It looks like Redknapp is managing expectations
by pretending that relegation is a possibility in order to make his
achievement of survival look more impressive.

However, in sending a side shorn of its best players to play
Shakhtar Donetsk tonight, he is surely betraying Spurs' great cup
heritage. He's been complaining about the amount of games they have to
play of course - ever was it thus - but even in the admittedly
ridiculous and convoluted set-up currently in operation, Spurs will
only play three more games than in 1984-85 to lift the cup. And that
team also had 42 league games to play.


For one of the game's supposed traditionalists, the surrender of
European cup football as a priority in favour of Premier League money
and status should not go unmarked. Not least because if you don't make
Europe a priority, what are clubs like Spurs even playing in the league
for? The cups and a UEFA Cup place is all they've got to play for, so
if having qualified you shrug your shoulders and complain that this
means you have to play more football, then you are writing off the very
point of your existence.


You may just was well throw the cup games because, Christ, if you
win the bloody thing it'll mean 15 European games and that'll be such a
distraction from hanging on to mid-table mediocrity. Better not finish
too high up or it'll mean another UEFA Cup competition and that'll
exhaust the players so much they'll not be able to finish just short of
the UEFA Cup places again next year. Because make no mistake, this
isn't about fighting relegation. If they were ten places higher it
would still be painted as a distraction from the league. It's all the
more ironic because unlike many other clubs, the Spurs faithful have
still turned out in big numbers for the UEFA Cup games.


Seeing the Spurs manager turn his mouth down and whine about having
to play six games in 17 days purely because the club is successful is a
distasteful sight and one surely not in tune with Spurs great
traditions. It also neatly omits to note that Spurs have not played a
club game for ten days. It's not like they've been working down a mine
for a week, is it?

When you think back to that fantastic night in 1984 when they last
lifted the UEFA Cup, to think that those days have gone forever because
of the obsession with the Premier League fills me, even as a neutral,
with great sorrow. It's a shameful situation and while I still wish
Spurs success in Europe, their manager's lack of commitment to the
competition leaves a very sour taste indeed.

http://www.football365.com/john_nicholson/0,17033,8746,00.html

DS wrote:

Sgoater1 wrote:

DS wrote:Is it not called the Europa league ?

Not till next season

Does the format changes ?

Yeah i think so mate, think there are no KO games at the start just groups of 4 teams all playing twice like the champs with the to 2 going through to KO.

Couldnae agree more DS, thanks, great piece. It seems strange that it's an unfashionable view these days to stick up for the cups (there was a staggeringly awful piece by Hansen in the Torygraph the other week just saying over and over again that although it was a great shame and different from his day it was entirely understandable and inevitable that Harry and others would take that attitude).

It was after all Spurs legend Danny Blanchflower who made the point about football being essentially about glory, and it is rather tedious to repeatedly be in the minority who silently shake their head when the modern-day truism about some run-of-the-mill league game in Sunderland being "obviously more important" than a cup tie with a shot at glory is trotted out...

Harry is being a tit over the whole thing. We are Spurs, our traditions are in the cups. Ideally we should put our strongest available line-up in every competition we enter. If he can't deal with the expectations he knows where the door is.

1817: TEAMS Shakhtar Donetsk v Tottenham
Shakhtar Donetsk: Pyatov, Srna, Chigrinsky, Ischenko, Rat, Jadson, Fernandinho, Lewandowski, Willian, Ilsinho, Gladkyy. Subs: Khudzamov, Fedetskiy, Shevchuk, Duljaj, Seleznyov, Luiz Adriano, Chyzhov.
Tottenham: Gomes, Gunter, Huddlestone, Dawson, Chimbonda, Jenas, Zokora, Parrett, Bentley, Giovani, Campbell. Subs: Jansson, Gilberto, Smith, Bostock, Mason, Obika, Bent.

Who?

DS wrote:We have not played in the competition ever Tweed and you are probably going to play in it next year, so I accept that my knowledge of it is not as much as yours.

You don't support Bayern anymore then?

debaser wrote:1817: TEAMS Shakhtar Donetsk v Tottenham
Shakhtar Donetsk: Pyatov, Srna, Chigrinsky, Ischenko, Rat, Jadson, Fernandinho, Lewandowski, Willian, Ilsinho, Gladkyy. Subs: Khudzamov, Fedetskiy, Shevchuk, Duljaj, Seleznyov, Luiz Adriano, Chyzhov.
Tottenham: Gomes, Gunter, Huddlestone, Dawson, Chimbonda, Jenas, Zokora, Parrett, Bentley, Giovani, Campbell. Subs: Jansson, Gilberto, Smith, Bostock, Mason, Obika, Bent.

Who?

Obika's been getting rave reviews in the Youths/reserves

what's the weather/pitch like in Kiev? Hope it's decent Shaktar might well play Spuds off the pitch. They've some great players.

@Cesc soler

great avatar

edit: did you buy it in the same shop as Hudd? Like the style though.

The HuddFather wrote:Obika's been getting rave reviews in the Youths/reserves

It's your defence that looks most worrying - don't really fancy Dawson-Huddlestone. Or will it be Dawson-Chimbonda with Zokora at full back?

Why is Bent not playing? Gets left on the bench for the 1st team, now he's left on the bench for the B-team!

Cesc Soler wrote:

DS wrote:We have not played in the competition ever Tweed and you are probably going to play in it next year, so I accept that my knowledge of it is not as much as yours.

You don't support Bayern anymore then?

From a Man Utd perspective.

Great Lech come back, they score twice in 3 minutes (81 84) to get back to 2-2 v Udinese. Few minutes left

De Guzman wrote:
@Cesc soler

great avatar

edit: did you buy it in the same shop as Hudd? Like the style though.

Make your own here:
http://obamiconme.pastemagazine.com/

De Guzman wrote:what's the weather/pitch like in Kiev? Hope it's decent Shaktar might well play Spuds off the pitch. They've some great players.

@Cesc soler

great avatar

edit: did you buy it in the same shop as Hudd? Like the style though.

They're from the Obamiconme site, all based on the Hope/Progress Obama poster.

http://obamiconme.pastemagazine.com/entries/new_obamicon.html

I hadn't realised Cesc had one until this afternoon

De Guzman wrote:Great Lech come back, they score twice in 3 minutes (81 84) to get back to 2-2 v Udinese. Few minutes left

Udinese must've stopped caring about the competition for a few minutes there