GERMANY has catched italy in the 5years ranking

i can tell you how often

in the last 20 years 3 times, germany got 2

Kroos wrote:yeah last season they were top4 side

but NOW without cesc, nasri, clichy and the PEDO as coach, no way

Awesome stuff

Sadly, completely untrue.

Quite clearly, based on last season, Spurs are also CL quality. Just because we came 5th doesn't mean we wouldn't spank most clubs in that competition. I'll tell you now, none of the Bundesliga clubs would break the top 4 in England bar Bayern and MAYBE Dortmund at a push (but we'll see how they get on against Arsenal soon anyway). Deny it all you want, but you'll just look foolish doing so in the process.

EPLownage

what about schalke? with your logic they should be CL quality too!


to be a serious cl side you lack a goalkeeper, some decent strikers, and wide players with end product

...plus a CL quality coach, most important of all!

blutgraetsche wrote:You can hardly call it 'disappearing' when we had an all German semi final in that year. German teams usually make the later rounds of the competition regularly. Should have won it once or twice in recent times though, that is true. BUT WE ARE WORKING ON IT. WITH OUR OWN MONEY, FROM OUR OWN POCKETS, PAID BY OUR OWN BRATWURSTS.

P.S.: With all the 'English dominance' in the CL, how often did you actually win the competition? Pot, cattle, ginger.

You can hardly throw the sugar Daddy line at Spurs, Arsenal and Man Utd though. Tell Deutsche Telekom to pay up more and you might get somewhere!

from a city forum, on german posters; unfortunately it cant be me

have to say hes spot on

"Bloody hell! Their English/grammer is better than ours. No wonder they're better than us at most things.

BTW. Welcome Munich."


alan hansons in every english forum me thinks hilarious stuff

cech is better than neuer

lahm is not world class

Kroos:,So after yesterday, are you confident Dortmund can beat Arsenal in the CL?

Do you have the bitterballen to lay down a prediction? after all, they aren't decent opposition are they? Surely nothing for BL's finest to worry about?

Noah und der Bale wrote:Kroos:,So after yesterday, are you confident Dortmund can beat Arsenal in the CL?

Do you have the bitterballen to lay down a prediction? after all, they aren't decent opposition are they? Surely nothing for BL's finest to worry about?

i think dortmund will fight for the group win

götze and kagawa must find a way back to there best

arsenal will surely get out of the group, they still have a lot of class, and even with a far better team over the last years, they couldnt win against united, so i am not really surprised about yesterdays humiliation

3-4 points should be possible for dortmund

i say dortmund wins at home and draw away

and germanys finest is bayern

Kroos, would you mind changing "*catched" to "caught" in the title of this thread?

Every time I click on it, I die a little inside.

Effenberg wrote:Kroos, would you mind changing "*catched" to "caught" in the title of this thread?

Every time I click on it, I die a little inside.

Congratulations sir, you just made me truly laugh out loud. LOLling

To be fair, he's improved massively, both his level of English and the quality of his observations. Part time body builder and all-round good egg is Kroos/Ozil/Deisler or whatever the feck he likes to be called

Effenberg wrote:Kroos, would you mind changing "*catched" to "caught" in the title of this thread?

Every time I click on it, I die a little inside.

some former vice-president of AC Milan, whose name I have forgotten, but something like Galliano , or so

recently told spox that the French LEague would overtake Seria A soon

with Seria A dropping even further to 5th best league in Europe

his argument was mostly about the bad state of the Italian stadia

he thinks that once the French have updated their own stadia for Euro 2016, Seria A will simply no longer be able to attract the talent compared to the then top 4 leagues

Italy has to concentrate on developing their own talent to get back on track. In foreseeable time, you simply can't outspend the top EPL clubs, especially those financially doped by sheikhs and oligarchs, taking the piss out of 'financial fair play'. The EPL is the one truly global league and will continue to generate considerably higher TV revenues, for umpteen reasons. And then there are Barca and Real, both global brands, who have the highest revenues of all clubs and a league at their disposal that produces top quality talent on a regular basis.

Italian youth academies used to be amongst the best. And probably just as importantly, Italian coaches and tacticians used to have the cutting edge. It's in these 'core' areas where the league has fallen behind, in addition to the general problems of old stadia, scandals and corruption etc. Improving the financial situation of the league with new TV deals and better infrastructure is fine and necessary. But without some substantial investments in their youth setup and education, the league will suffer even more in the long run.

Domestic talent is the backbone of every successful league, at least that's how it should be.

Vidal compares life at Leverkusen with Juve

saying

they train FAR FAR MORE

TACTICS at Juve than at Bayer

they also focus more on defense

and everything is more regimented in Italy

at Bayer they had a lot of spare time, not so in Italy

so far he likes Juve quite a bit, especially the fans

That's interesting, Klose said the opposite about Lazio, although the comparison was with Bayern obviously – saying everything was a bit more relaxed, but he liked it that way too.

Klose already seems to be doing well in Seria A

scored the FIRST goal of the Season

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decent article about the BUndesliga, talents...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/sep/10/arsenal-chelsea-germany-champions-league

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Kuranyi also had a great game for Moscow

and is already a crowd favourite

makes you wonder

with the 2018 World Cup being hosted in Russia, their league will feature a range of fantastic stadia as well

all those billionaires will beef up the league, and more Eto 's will arrive, initially , for a last pay-check, later for more

meanwhile, the French league will blossom after their very own European Cup in 2016

not only will they have the stadia to make Seria A and the EPL envious, but international billionaires will flood in and buy the clubs outright, or at least invest (see already PSG)

let's face it, owning Marseille or Monaco could be quite sexy, and the superrich already have pads around the corner

maybe, a lot of the local French/African talent could be kept in the country

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A LOT of the South American talent seems to be willing to stay in or at least return to the Brazilian league

which means that European clubs will find it increasingly difficult to just leap-frog other teams by splashing out on Brazilians

and have to grow their own local talents

add to this the new financial regulations

and within 10 years you have a COMPLETELY different international football club scene

the winners will clearly be the Bundesliga, the French league, the Russian league and the Brazilian league

the biggest losers will obviously be Seria A and the EPL

La Liga should stay in the top three, despite their debts, mostly because Barca and Real will ALWAYS be able to attract the top talent and the others will have lots of excellent Spanish talents to chose from anyway

my prediction

in 2020, the league ranking will look like this

1. Bundesliga
2. La Liga
3. French League
4. EPL
5/6. shared by Brazilian League and Russian League
7. Seria A

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2011/sep/12/english-clubs-champions-league

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Wenger thinks Real and Barca are now in a different league

not least financially

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/sep/12/arsene-wenger-real-madrid-barcelona-arsenal

with Arsenal struggling, Chelsea aging, Liverpool limping , and ManCity still needing time to join Europe's elite

and Barca dominating European football (+Real rejoining the top tier)

you do get the feeling that La Liga is now overtaking the EPL as Europe's top league

even Hoeness sees Barca and Real as the gold-standard of European football nowadays

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so how do you see the European pecking order in 10 years ?

1 EPL, people still wanting to see this. The current Arsenal will be at its best in 2020 and its suprises everyone.
2 Russian league, too much money and will be renovated after 2018
3 Bundesliga, very stable but has to many Werder Bremens instead of Bayern Munichs.
4 French League, has the money but 22 black/muslims playing eachother is not everyones cup of tea.
5 Beneluxliga, very smart of Holland to annex Flanders.
6 La Liga, cause a league needs more then two teams and a shitload of debt
6 Serie A, in 2020 its highly possible that the Italian champion will win the league with a tally of -6 points! Corruption and scandals will cause this league to fall even further.

england 82.035
spain 75.471
germany 71.186
italy 58.552
france 53.678

next year we lose 3 points more than italy, so i hope we can collect those 3 points in this season, our aim should be to hold the current 12,6 points lead

i think our biggest plus will be the europa league, and hopefully an improved dortmund side in next years CL, also schalkes experience upfront and there solid game plan should give us a great CL run next season

gladbach has also a great game plan, but they sold already 2 key players

I don't understand why you get the same points for a win in the Europa League as you do in the Champions League.If it weren't for this stupid rule then Italy would probably still have 4 places.I don't have anything against German teams but the top Italian teams are quite a lot better on average and more likely to do well in the Cl and win it.I think it would be better for the CL if Germany had 3 and Italy 4 places.

In Italy you have Milan,Inter,Juve,Udinese,Napoli,Roma who are all top teams or have the potential to do well in the CL for the next few years.In Germany there just isn't as much quality imo,Bayern and Borussia Dortmund are the only 2 teams who are/have the potential to be top teams in the CL on a regular basis.

Next year 2 of Inter,Udinese and Napoli will miss out on a CL spot,most neutrals would rather have another one of those teams instead of Shalke or Werder Breman etc.

worms wrote:I don't understand why you get the same points for a win in the Europa League as you do in the Champions League.If it weren't for this stupid rule then Italy would probably still have 4 places.I don't have anything against German teams but the top Italian teams are quite a lot better on average and more likely to do well in the Cl and win it.I think it would be better for the CL if Germany had 3 and Italy 4 places.

In Italy you have Milan,Inter,Juve,Udinese,Napoli,Roma who are all top teams or have the potential to do well in the CL for the next few years.In Germany there just isn't as much quality imo,Bayern and Borussia Dortmund are the only 2 teams who are/have the potential to be top teams in the CL on a regular basis.

Next year 2 of Inter,Udinese and Napoli will miss out on a CL spot,most neutrals would rather have another one of those teams instead of Shalke or Werder Breman etc.

Er, not really. I'd rather have teams from different countries as much as possible so that you can see different styles and have fresh match-ups.

If you want the status quo set in stone, you don't need the coefficient system at all. How do you expect other / smaller leagues to ever climb up the ladder and improve, e.g. in Eastern Europe, if you design the system in a way that it suits the so called established 'elite' clubs more than it already does?

Besides, you may be too young to know, but for the vast majority of its existence and the existence of European club football competitions, the Bundesliga has been among the top three European leagues. Look for yourself by going back the years in the country rankings:

http://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/index.html

The blip in the mid to late 2000s was an exception, not the rule. What you consider "good teams" and what "neutrals" would miss or not by your subjective view is more or less meaningless in this regard.

worms wrote:I don't understand why you get the same points for a win in the Europa League as you do in the Champions League.If it weren't for this stupid rule then Italy would probably still have 4 places.I don't have anything against German teams but the top Italian teams are quite a lot better on average and more likely to do well in the Cl and win it.I think it would be better for the CL if Germany had 3 and Italy 4 places.

In Italy you have Milan,Inter,Juve,Udinese,Napoli,Roma who are all top teams or have the potential to do well in the CL for the next few years.In Germany there just isn't as much quality imo,Bayern and Borussia Dortmund are the only 2 teams who are/have the potential to be top teams in the CL on a regular basis.

Next year 2 of Inter,Udinese and Napoli will miss out on a CL spot,most neutrals would rather have another one of those teams instead of Shalke or Werder Breman etc.

in the last 2 years the italien 4th ranked team has failed to qualify for the cl group stages (one team was bremen from the mighty bundesliga )

and in the last years the bundesliga made more cl points than the seriea, lets face it, outside the one good inter year there was always just milan left for constant cl "glory" (and they failed to qualify for the quarter final since there last cl win), this year it looks better

What I'm saying is that the coefficient system needs tweaking,I see no reason why you should get the same amount of points for progressing in the Europa League as you do in the CL.This is the main reason why Germany has overtook Italy.

I don't care about the past so much,nowadays teams like Inter,Napoli and Udinese are better than Shalke and Werder Bremen.

And Kas if Germany had 3 and Italy had 4 teams in the CL there would be just as much variation as they is now.3 German teams is more than enough,I stand by my opinion that those Italian teams I have mentioned are better than the German teams I have mentioned and more people would rather watch those Italian teams.If the likes of Udinese and Inter where playing in Germany they would each get at least 4th place.

If they'd really be better, they wouldn't have to fear falling behind France in the coming years even, which is not that far fetched. And who are 'people'? Are you the sole representative of the 'people' of Europe or even the world?

worms wrote:What I'm saying is that the coefficient system needs tweaking,I see no reason why you should get the same amount of points for progressing in the Europa League as you do in the CL.This is the main reason why Germany has overtook Italy.

I don't care about the past so much,nowadays teams like Inter,Napoli and Udinese are better than Shalke and Werder Bremen.

And Kas if Germany had 3 and Italy had 4 teams in the CL there would be just as much variation as they is now.3 German teams is more than enough,I stand by my opinion that those Italian teams I have mentioned are better than the German teams I have mentioned and more people would rather watch those Italian teams.If the likes of Udinese and Inter where playing in Germany they would each get at least 4th place.

what about leverkusen, qualified from a hard group, and will also not play cl next season

what about wolfsburg with magath and the VW millions (they will invest when magath reach the europa league)

i don`t think that udinese (what have they ever done!!) or napoli are better than schalke

Personally I was not impressed with Udinese when they played Arsenal in the playoff. I don't watch them on a regular basis or anything but they did not seem any thing special. Napoli I have enjoyed watching in the CL but if they finish 7th then it doesn't really matter if Italy have 3 or 4 CL spots.

blutgraetsche wrote:If they'd really be better, they wouldn't have to fear falling behind France in the coming years even, which is not that far fetched. And who are 'people'? Are you the sole representative of the 'people' of Europe or even the world?

Neutrals obviously.

Well if we're being fair, Germany are propping up countries like Greece, Spain and Portugal from going bust so the least these fuckers in mainland Europe could do is gift them a few extra places.

Plus we all know what the consequences can be if Germany don't get what they want.

Yeah, I'd love to know who are these 'people'. Personally I prefer a matchup featuring Schalke or Werder Bremen to Udinese and I'm sure a significant chunk may well agree with me.