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Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

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Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by Pierre Littbarski Thu Aug 20, 2009 7:50 am

The Dossier

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Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010 St_dossier

Liverpool and Man United have both had stonewall penalties given in their favour this season.

However I understand that last night Wayne Rooney (United's most influential player) escaped a red card ?

I say "I understand" because I didn't see it - even the state broadcaster is in on it Suspect

Suspect

Was this incident worthy of being the opening case in this season's dossier ?

* At the end of the season we'll get the dossier printed out and Glenn or someone can take copies to The Premier League headquarters and/or Scotland Yard.

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by Aristoskank Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:16 am

So now we're taking rumoured possible red cards as incidents worthy of the dossier?

Tell me, will you be including the favouritism showed to Liverpool by referees in this season's dossier, so we can avoid the absurdities of last season?

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by Dwarf Thu Aug 20, 2009 9:30 am

Was there any justification for the 6 minutes added time in the Chelsea game?

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by Six Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:43 am

I can't find mention of the Rooney incident anywhere?

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by Aristoskank Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:47 am

Funny, I googled 'rooney lunge burnley' and got quite a few references to it.

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Post n°6

Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by Six Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:50 am

So it was a lunge?

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by Aristoskank Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:54 am

No idea, haven't seen it.

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by Fade out Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:57 am

It was a red card, and the ref bottled it, like always.

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by COTR Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:33 am

Red would have been harsh. It looked worse than it was

Rooney will supply us with many more non red cards this season so we'll just have to focus on them

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by Pierre Littbarski Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:11 pm

Stimulus Package wrote:So now we're taking rumoured possible red cards as incidents worthy of the dossier?

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Was this incident worthy of being the opening case in this season's dossier ?

Stimulus Package wrote:Tell me, will you be including the favouritism showed to Liverpool by referees in this season's dossier, so we can avoid the absurdities of last season?

Pierre Littbarski wrote:Liverpool and Man United have both had stonewall penalties given in their favour this season.

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by Aristoskank Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:18 pm

Just trying to keep you on your toes.

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by 110% Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:42 pm

Can anyone contribute? I doubt it would have affected the game, but he is a c**t so I noticed him getting away with it.

Scholes should have been off for two yellow cards in the first game, clear lunge through the back of someone followed some time later by a clear pulling back of a player who looked like he was breaking away. Both times escaping a yellow card according to the rules.

I may be able to supply the times it happened and the players he did it to.

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by Aristoskank Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:52 pm

So that's two red cards for Man United, and one rant from Rafa about refereeing that will go unrewarded.

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by L r dd Thu Aug 20, 2009 3:57 pm

If we're allowed to ref the games ourselves im sure we'll see a lot of incidents differently to how they really were Laughing

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by Super Progress Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:21 pm

I think it should be a criteria, if you want an incident added to the list, that you have to provide a video clip of it. Otherwise it will just be COTR/Glenn/Pierre/110% on one side with Man Utd fans plus Saints on other side giving their own predetermined verdicts. Of course this is provided we actually want a real discussion and not just the one sided stuff we got last season.

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by christmasborocooper Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:24 pm

Super De La Red wrote:I think it should be a criteria, if you want an incident added to the list, that you have to provide a video clip of it. Otherwise it will just be COTR/Glenn/Pierre/110% on one side with Man Utd fans ~~plus~~ like Saints on other side giving their own predetermined verdicts. Of course this is provided we actually want a real discussion and not just the one sided stuff we got last season.

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by blutgraetsche Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:25 pm

Super De La Red wrote:Otherwise it will just be COTR/Glenn/Pierre/110% on one side with Man Utd fans plus Saints on other side giving their own predetermined verdicts.

Err...isn't that what this forum, every single thread, is all about anyway?

Sooner or later, no matter what the topic, it boils down to ManUnited vs. Liverpool - the yin and yang of EMB.

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by COTR Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:27 pm

Stimulus Package wrote:So that's two red cards for Man United, and one rant from Rafa about refereeing that will go unrewarded.

We also have to include Fergie running onto the pitch at the end of the charity shield to spit on the face of the ref because he had the audacity to award United a last minute offside goal

So far we have
- Chelsea gaining an extra two points from a terrible ref decision when Mikel dived
- Liverpool losing one point from the ref not giving Liverpool a penalty when Ekotto bundled Voronin over as he was clean through on goal.
- Spurs gaining two points from the above decision

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by Aristoskank Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:45 pm

Voronin was about as far from the ball as anyone involved in that particular incident. Liverpool are doing alright, they don't need the Arsenal victim complex.

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by COTR Thu Aug 20, 2009 4:54 pm

Stimulus Package wrote:Voronin was about as far from the ball as anyone involved in that particular incident. Liverpool are doing alright, they don't need the Arsenal victim complex.

You are producing some strange logic over penalties these days Saints, totally contrary to the rules.

My view of that incident was a through ball was played that had Voronin running through on goal and competing with Ekotto. Instead of running towards the ball Ekotto decided to change direction and run directly into Voronin, knocking him over and denying a goal scoring chance.

You don't always have to have the football for a foul to be committed Saints

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by Aristoskank Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:11 pm

Apparently you don't even have to stand any chance of a goalscoring opportunity to get a penalty either. If you play for Liverpool.

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by COTR Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:13 pm

Stimulus Package wrote:Apparently you don't even have to stand any chance of a goalscoring opportunity to get a penalty either. If you play for Liverpool.

Great comeback

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by L r dd Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:19 pm

COTR #6 wrote:

Stimulus Package wrote:So that's two red cards for Man United, and one rant from Rafa about refereeing that will go unrewarded.

We also have to include Fergie running onto the pitch at the end of the charity shield to spit on the face of the ref because he had the audacity to award United a last minute offside goal

So far we have
- Chelsea gaining an extra two points from a terrible ref decision when Mikel dived
- Liverpool losing one point from the ref not giving Liverpool a penalty when Ekotto bundled Voronin over as he was clean through on goal.
- Spurs gaining two points from the above decision

If that was a penalty then Bikeys handball yesterday was also. Ale

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by COTR Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:37 pm

L r dd wrote:

If that was a penalty then Bikeys handball yesterday was also.

Let's stick to the realistic claims Lrd. Handballs from two yards do not count but if you want to count them the we'll take all three points from the Spurs game as it was a similar incident to the Bikey one

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by L r dd Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:38 pm

COTR #6 wrote:

L r dd wrote:

If that was a penalty then Bikeys handball yesterday was also.

Let's stick to the realistic claims Lrd. Handballs from two yards do not count but if you want to count them the we'll take all three points from the Spurs game as it was a similar incident to the Bikey one

Neither were penalties COTR. Why is yours more realistic because you're more deluded? give me a break ask neutrals 9 out of 10 will say that wasnt a pen.

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by COTR Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:49 pm

L r dd wrote:

Neither were penalties COTR. Why is yours more realistic because you're more deluded? give me a break ask neutrals 9 out of 10 will say that wasnt a pen.

I have just asked 10 and all 10 told me it should have been a pen

Cheers for the tip

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by L r dd Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:50 pm

I have asked 10 and 20 said it wasnt. Is this another way of you shouting i win i win i win COTR?

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by Tweesus Thu Aug 20, 2009 5:52 pm

COTR wins

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by Tom Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:31 pm

it really wasn't a penalty. and voronin looks fucking stupid.

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Re: Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

by shazlx Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:13 pm

Super De La Red wrote:I think it should be a criteria, if you want an incident added to the list, that you have to provide a video clip of it. Otherwise it will just be COTR/Glenn/Pierre/110% on one side with Man Utd fans plus Saints on other side giving their own predetermined verdicts. Of course this is provided we actually want a real discussion and not just the one sided stuff we got last season.

That won't work because some incidents are glossed over like the Rooney non-red yesterday. MOTD did not show it the way they don't show yellows against English players who dive. This makes it almost impossible to get footage.

110% wrote:Can anyone contribute? I doubt it would have affected the game, but he is a c**t so I noticed him getting away with it.

It was a definite red. The contact wasn't so bad but there was full intent. He went at the player knowing he wasn't getting the ball. That's why you see someone saying it looked worse than it was. It was typical Rooney over-aggression due to frustration.

110% wrote:
Scholes should have been off for two yellow cards in the first game, clear lunge through the back of someone followed some time later by a clear pulling back of a player who looked like he was breaking away. Both times escaping a yellow card according to the rules.

and someone questioned the possibility of Scholes missing out on dozens of yellows due to not playing so many games...

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