Pierre's Dossier 2009/2010

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Blackburn have a perfectly good goal ruled out for offside

A goal ruled out, a penalty not given and a red card not given in their last two visits

Pierre Littbarski wrote:A goal ruled out, a penalty not given and a red card not given in their last two visits

Way to spin reality. Pederson 'pen' = Rafael slightly touching him then Pederson deciding he's got no right foot and should go down rather than shoot. Never a pen or a red or anything. As we saw not long after that Pederson likes a dive.

The goal ruled out was probably their first attack where they had a shot all game at 91 minutes 2-0 down. There is no way that would have impacted the result.

L r dd wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:A goal ruled out, a penalty not given and a red card not given in their last two visits

Way to spin reality. Pederson 'pen' = Rafael slightly touching him then Pederson deciding he's got no right foot and should go down rather than shoot. Never a pen or a red or anything. As we saw not long after that Pederson likes a dive.

The goal ruled out was probably their first attack where they had a shot all game at 91 minutes 2-0 down. There is no way that would have impacted the result.

Sorry, I should have said a goal ruled out, TWO red cards and a pen not given.

The majority seemed to agree that it was a pen on Pedersen at the time but you're right - if Pedersen dived away to Arsenal then he must have dived at OT.

You're right that last nights's "goal" would have had no impact - I mean, we've never seen a team with a 2 goal lead concede a goal and then panic, retreat towards their own goal and invite pressure on themselves before conceding an equaliser before - it just doesn't happen.

Pierre
You have to be kidding with the Pederson penalty. That was such a dive and I doubt the majority of people who would see it as anything but a dive. Unless by majority you mean everybody who hates Man Utd because that is probably the only way any majority would think that is a penalty. Maybe you can find a clip of it but if you are counting that incident then it can't be of any surprise that Saints discredits your list because it is dishonest allthough quite entertaining.

Super Higuain wrote:Pierre
You have to be kidding with the Pederson penalty. That was such a dive and I doubt the majority of people who would see it as anything but a dive. Unless by majority you mean everybody who hates Man Utd because that is probably the only way any majority would think that is a penalty. Maybe you can find a clip of it but if you are counting that incident then it can't be of any surprise that Saints discredits your list because it is dishonest allthough quite entertaining.

No, I thought it was a definite pen - had one very similar given against my team v Cardiff (cathcart on Bothroyd) and I thought it was a pen.

You may have arms on someone's shoulders at times when competing for headers but if you are chasing after someone and you put your arms over their shoulders FFS - that is a pen.

What did you make of the Carragher red card and possibly penalty Pierre?

Degen gets wrongly sent off by a ridiculous ref, costing Liverpool the chance to get themselves back into a game they had previously been dominating.

Stimulus Package wrote:What did you make of the Carragher red card and possibly penalty Pierre?

Degen red card was a yellow.

Carragher/Zamora pen - Zamora genuinely thought it was (he wasn't trying it on) but Carragher was the right side of him and there is no obvious shirt pull so just a coming together.

The 2nd Carragher/Zamora - he definitely touches the ball but he is caught wrong side and has had to get a lot of Zamora 1st so correctly sent off IMO.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

L r dd wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:A goal ruled out, a penalty not given and a red card not given in their last two visits

Way to spin reality. Pederson 'pen' = Rafael slightly touching him then Pederson deciding he's got no right foot and should go down rather than shoot. Never a pen or a red or anything. As we saw not long after that Pederson likes a dive.

The goal ruled out was probably their first attack where they had a shot all game at 91 minutes 2-0 down. There is no way that would have impacted the result.

Sorry, I should have said a goal ruled out, TWO red cards and a pen not given.

The majority seemed to agree that it was a pen on Pedersen at the time but you're right - if Pedersen dived away to Arsenal then he must have dived at OT.

You're right that last nights's "goal" would have had no impact - I mean, we've never seen a team with a 2 goal lead concede a goal and then panic, retreat towards their own goal and invite pressure on themselves before conceding an equaliser before - it just doesn't happen.

At old trafford against a team like Blackburn no it doesn't especially in 2 minutes.

And the majority doesn't mean anything to me. It was a clear dive and never a pen. Is your other red Ronaldo's 'assault' on Dunn that Dunn didn't even notice? If so you're making a joke of your own dossier mate

L r dd wrote:

And the majority doesn't mean anything to me. It was a clear dive and never a pen. Is your other red Ronaldo's 'assault' on Dunn that Dunn didn't even notice? If so you're making a joke of your own dossier mate

Is that in the least bit relevant ?

Pederson 100% dived against Rafael. There was contact with the hands but the contact did not bring him down or even put him off. Definitely not a pen.

shazlx wrote:Pederson 100% dived against Rafael. There was contact with the hands but the contact did not bring him down or even put him off. Definitely not a pen.

He put his hands over someone's shoulders whilst in pursuit of him - there's only one reason to do that.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

L r dd wrote:

And the majority doesn't mean anything to me. It was a clear dive and never a pen. Is your other red Ronaldo's 'assault' on Dunn that Dunn didn't even notice? If so you're making a joke of your own dossier mate

Is that in the least bit relevant ?

Lrdland: Pederson went down too easily, Dunn didn't go down easily enough

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

shazlx wrote:Pederson 100% dived against Rafael. There was contact with the hands but the contact did not bring him down or even put him off. Definitely not a pen.

He put his hands over someone's shoulders whilst in pursuit of him - there's only one reason to do that.

I agree and I hate it when players do it. When you put your hands on someone there is no other reason than to inhibit their play and they really can't complain if the player consequently dives to get a pen/freekick. Nevertheless, the contact did the bring him down or put him off his run. Pederson dived and therefore should not get a pen.

Forwards are not generally denied goal scoring opportunities by the ref if they use their arms to shrug off defenders even though the only reason they do so is to get an 'illegal' advantage.

Nathan Glencleston wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

L r dd wrote:

And the majority doesn't mean anything to me. It was a clear dive and never a pen. Is your other red Ronaldo's 'assault' on Dunn that Dunn didn't even notice? If so you're making a joke of your own dossier mate

Is that in the least bit relevant ?

Lrdland: Pederson went down too easily, Dunn didn't go down easily enough

Hee.

Nathan Glencleston wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

L r dd wrote:

And the majority doesn't mean anything to me. It was a clear dive and never a pen. Is your other red Ronaldo's 'assault' on Dunn that Dunn didn't even notice? If so you're making a joke of your own dossier mate

Is that in the least bit relevant ?

Lrdland: Pederson went down too easily, Dunn didn't go down easily enough

I just think calling something an assault when the other guy didn't even notice is a bit bizarre. Ronaldo's flick out was a minor incident and barely worth a talking to.

Pederson incident a talking point but a blatant dive.

Pierre's conclusion. 2 reds and a penalty. I call this dossier a complete joke.

In the Liverpool-Wolves game yesterday Lucas should have been sent off for persistent fouling, but wasn't even booked. Gerrard did two consecutive lunging, aggressive challenges on Wolves players, kicking out at the second after he missed the ball, and wasn't even booked.

Contrasting this, the referee sent off Ward for two shirt pulls, neither of which were any worse than what you see most weeks in the EPL, and the two of which certainly did not add up to a red card. Minutes after this joke of a decision, Liverpool took the lead.

MOTD didn't show any of the Lucas fouls, or the Gerrard tackles. They made out that Ward had to be sent off and focussed entirely on the referee's mistake in identifying the player to be booked. There was far more danger to other players in what Gerrard did, either tackle could have been a leg-breaker, but just like the Liverpool fans on this board, the BBC said nothing.

Xmas Package wrote:In the Liverpool-Wolves game yesterday Lucas should have been sent off for persistent fouling, but wasn't even booked. Gerrard did two consecutive lunging, aggressive challenges on Wolves players, kicking out at the second after he missed the ball, and wasn't even booked.

Contrasting this, the referee sent off Ward for two shirt pulls, neither of which were any worse than what you see most weeks in the EPL, and the two of which certainly did not add up to a red card. Minutes after this joke of a decision, Liverpool took the lead.

MOTD didn't show any of the Lucas fouls, or the Gerrard tackles. They made out that Ward had to be sent off and focussed entirely on the referee's mistake in identifying the player to be booked. There was far more danger to other players in what Gerrard did, either tackle could have been a leg-breaker, but just like the Liverpool fans on this board, the BBC said nothing.

If what you say is true

...Liverpool just need about 17 more to make up for last season.

Cheers

Try again you hypocriticial, biased, one-dimensional fuckwit.

Xmas Package wrote:In the Liverpool-Wolves game yesterday Lucas should have been sent off for persistent fouling, but wasn't even booked. Gerrard did two consecutive lunging, aggressive challenges on Wolves players, kicking out at the second after he missed the ball, and wasn't even booked.

Contrasting this, the referee sent off Ward for two shirt pulls, neither of which were any worse than what you see most weeks in the EPL, and the two of which certainly did not add up to a red card. Minutes after this joke of a decision, Liverpool took the lead.

MOTD didn't show any of the Lucas fouls, or the Gerrard tackles. They made out that Ward had to be sent off and focussed entirely on the referee's mistake in identifying the player to be booked. There was far more danger to other players in what Gerrard did, either tackle could have been a leg-breaker, but just like the Liverpool fans on this board, the BBC said nothing.

The shirt pulls cynically stopped two excellent counter attack opportunites Sainty.

100% red card

Can't comment on the other things you highlight because as you say the MOTD highlights didn't show them

Xmas Package wrote:Try again you hypocriticial, biased

I've never met a man who isn't both of those things - I think its just human nature

Xmas Package wrote:one-dimensional fuckwit.

From you of all posters



As COTR mentioned - I can't comment on things I haven't seen.

Enterpwnment

Xmas Package wrote:In the Liverpool-Wolves game yesterday Lucas should have been sent off for persistent fouling, but wasn't even booked. Gerrard did two consecutive lunging, aggressive challenges on Wolves players, kicking out at the second after he missed the ball, and wasn't even booked.

Daft to say he should have been sent off because if he was booked, he would surely amend his behaviour to avoid a 2nd yellow.

Masch does persistent fouling everyweek - Song got away with it today and Fletcher and Carrick do it for United all the time.

That's just central midifeld play in 2009.

Oooh!!

Ammo.

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