Team of the Half-Season

Kimbo wrote:
I could name a whole bunch of Newcastle players that are underappreciated outside of the City, i couldn't say the same for Spurs.

I can still remember you jumping for joy when the news broke you lot signed Damien Duff....he would enable you to make the jump to the big four...

Here's to underappreciated Newcastle players

The Santa Stalker wrote:

Romford Pele wrote:Gomes has been a lot better than Given so far this season.

Don't even bother. Just like when Kimmy was trying arguing that We didn't miss Lennon at all against you lot because David Bentley was playing!

That's not what i said though is it. That's twice in this thread a Spurs fan has twisted my words, you lot are evil to your core.

Axeslammer wrote:

Kimbo wrote:
I could name a whole bunch of Newcastle players that are underappreciated outside of the City, i couldn't say the same for Spurs.

I can still remember you jumping for joy when the news broke you lot signed Damien Duff....he would enable you to make the jump to the big four...

Here's to underappreciated Newcastle players

It did seem like a good deal, i wasn't jumping for joy though as i was concerned he would push N'Zogbia(who had just had his breakthrough season) out of the team. I was right to be concerned, N'Zogbia was sidelined and Duff underperformed big time.

If the same deal happened now i wouldn't be up for it at all, you should never gamble on injury prone players, i've learnt my lesson.

Kimbo wrote:

Spider Crouch wrote:

Kimbo wrote:Lennon isn't black, he's the same colour as a Chinaman's ballbag.

It's not a colour thing anyway, players at some clubs get hyped more than players at other clubs. That's the way it is. N'Zogbia is yet to play for a club that is in with the media, i'm sure he will someday though.

So Newcastle aren't a club that "is in" with the media? As far as I remember when Newcastle were in the UEFA cup, channel 5 always followed their games at the expense of other English clubs, including Spurs in the 2006/07 campaign when we were both in it. I could only ever watch our games on ITV3 because Newcastle were channel 5's big draw.

I get your point with Wigan - they are an "unfashionable" club. But any Geordie complaining that Newcastle don't get the special treatment from the Media (compare how they are viewed as the "big" club from the North East over Sunderland and Boro) is suffering a self affliction complex to rival any scouser

TV channels like to show Newcastle games because we have a big fanbase, it's normal. The papers certainly don't have anything positive to say, i don't know if their sales up here are poor or what. Newcastle are certainly one of the most hated clubs around the country and any article tends to reflect train of thought.

I could name a whole bunch of Newcastle players that are underappreciated outside of the City, i couldn't say the same for Spurs.

Your insular behind has probably never left the City to stay in another region of the country for even a week

Given?

Shearer?

Gazza?

Sir Bobby?

Waddle?

Taylor U21 captain despite being garbage etc.

Even Jenas and Dyer i'd say.

The Santa Stalker wrote:
Your insular behind has probably never left the City to stay in another region of the country for even a week

A cockney calling someone insular, you lot think mad max is a documentary about the country north of watford!

Given?

We've been over this a million times.

Shearer?

He is the exception

Gazza?

You're going back a bit there

Sir Bobby?

What? Let me rephrase it, players that spent their best years at Newcastle and under appreciated elsewhere.

Waddle?

See Gazza

Taylor U21 captain despite being garbage etc

He's clearly not garbage. WTF!

Here are some names to think about...

Rob Lee
Gary Speed
Nol Solano
Laurent Robert
Philippe Albert

Kimbo wrote:

Spider Crouch wrote:

Kimbo wrote:Lennon isn't black, he's the same colour as a Chinaman's ballbag.

It's not a colour thing anyway, players at some clubs get hyped more than players at other clubs. That's the way it is. N'Zogbia is yet to play for a club that is in with the media, i'm sure he will someday though.

So Newcastle aren't a club that "is in" with the media? As far as I remember when Newcastle were in the UEFA cup, channel 5 always followed their games at the expense of other English clubs, including Spurs in the 2006/07 campaign when we were both in it. I could only ever watch our games on ITV3 because Newcastle were channel 5's big draw.

I get your point with Wigan - they are an "unfashionable" club. But any Geordie complaining that Newcastle don't get the special treatment from the Media (compare how they are viewed as the "big" club from the North East over Sunderland and Boro) is suffering a self affliction complex to rival any scouser

TV channels like to show Newcastle games because we have a big fanbase, it's normal. The papers certainly don't have anything positive to say, i don't know if their sales up here are poor or what. Newcastle are certainly one of the most hated clubs around the country and any article tends to reflect train of thought.

I could name a whole bunch of Newcastle players that are underappreciated outside of the City, i couldn't say the same for Spurs.

Your pants are on fire Kimmy. There is absolutely no evidence to back this up. On the contrary, there has clearly been plenty of affection for Newcastle since Keegan's swasbucklers of the 90's and Wor Bobby's managerial reign at the club in the media, aswell as Shearer's influence at the BBC. You're no more hated than we are, you deserved to get pilloried last season for the circus that was your club (Joe Kinnear/Mike Ashley/Dennis Wise being the culprits), both on and off the field. Let's not forget you had two players brawling during a game not so long ago.

The fact is, Newcastle will always be seen as a bigger and more glamorous club in the eyes of the Media (and most fans probably) than Sunderland or Boro - so I could understand your outrage if you were a Mackem, seeing as even though they are top dogs in the North East, everyone still talks about Newcastle as THE team from the region

Every club who isn't winning trophies has players who get ignored..At Villa, I'd say people like Ian Taylor, Gareth Barry (until the last couple of years), Stilyan Petrov, Olof Mellberg, Dion Dublin, etc never got the wider praise I'd say they deserve(d) watching them every week.

Spider Crouch wrote:Your pants are on fire Kimmy. There is absolutely no evidence to back this up. On the contrary, there has clearly been plenty of affection for Newcastle since Keegan's swasbucklers of the 90's and Wor Bobby's managerial reign at the club in the media, aswell as Shearer's influence at the BBC. You're no more hated than we are, you deserved to get pilloried last season for the circus that was your club (Joe Kinnear/Mike Ashley/Dennis Wise being the culprits), both on and off the field. Let's not forget you had two players brawling during a game not so long ago.

The fact is, Newcastle will always be seen as a bigger and more glamorous club in the eyes of the Media (and most fans probably) than Sunderland or Boro - so I could understand your outrage if you were a Mackem, seeing as even though they are top dogs in the North East, everyone still talks about Newcastle as THE team from the region

You are a raving lunatic! No evidence my fucking arsehole, were you in a coma last season? Did you not see how everyone was rooting for us to go down? Did you not see how happy everyone was? Did you not see the banners at Villa(a club we have never had any sort of rivalry with)?

It's not Ashley or Shepherd or anyone involved in the club that got the abuse last season(and the seasons before that), it was the fans!

And no Boro and Sunderland will never be seen as bigger or more glamorous, simply because they aren't. Newcastle are getting bigger attendences than Sunderland THIS season ffs!

debaser wrote:Every club who isn't winning trophies has players who get ignored..At Villa, I'd say people like Ian Taylor, Gareth Barry (until the last couple of years), Stilyan Petrov, Olof Mellberg, Dion Dublin, etc never got the wider praise I'd say they deserve(d) watching them every week.

I'm not talking about midtable players, i'm talking about players that finished in the CL places for consecutive seasons.

Kimbo wrote:

Spider Crouch wrote:Your pants are on fire Kimmy. There is absolutely no evidence to back this up. On the contrary, there has clearly been plenty of affection for Newcastle since Keegan's swasbucklers of the 90's and Wor Bobby's managerial reign at the club in the media, aswell as Shearer's influence at the BBC. You're no more hated than we are, you deserved to get pilloried last season for the circus that was your club (Joe Kinnear/Mike Ashley/Dennis Wise being the culprits), both on and off the field. Let's not forget you had two players brawling during a game not so long ago.

The fact is, Newcastle will always be seen as a bigger and more glamorous club in the eyes of the Media (and most fans probably) than Sunderland or Boro - so I could understand your outrage if you were a Mackem, seeing as even though they are top dogs in the North East, everyone still talks about Newcastle as THE team from the region

You are a raving lunatic! No evidence my fucking arsehole, were you in a coma last season? Did you not see how everyone was rooting for us to go down? Did you not see how happy everyone was? Did you not see the banners at Villa(a club we have never had any sort of rivalry with)?

It's not Ashley or Shepherd or anyone involved in the club that got the abuse last season(and the seasons before that), it was the fans!

And no Boro and Sunderland will never be seen as bigger or more glamorous, simply because they aren't. Newcastle are getting bigger attendences than Sunderland THIS season ffs!

And you think for a second that had it been Spurs, or Villa, or any biggish established Premiership club that the reaction would have been any different?

Everyone was laughing at us when we were rooted at the bottom of the table beginning of last season.

And imagine if one of the VERY big clubs went down, such as United or Chelsea - what happened to you with the odd banner here and there would be small fry in comparison. People would be dancing in the streets.

So you're not the most hated club in England. Self important, Scouse-like whingery

Kimbo wrote:

debaser wrote:Every club who isn't winning trophies has players who get ignored..At Villa, I'd say people like Ian Taylor, Gareth Barry (until the last couple of years), Stilyan Petrov, Olof Mellberg, Dion Dublin, etc never got the wider praise I'd say they deserve(d) watching them every week.

I'm not talking about midtable players, i'm talking about players that finished in the CL places for consecutive seasons.

So top 4 is the be-all and end-all and everyone else should be ignored

Spider Crouch wrote:

Kimbo wrote:

Spider Crouch wrote:Your pants are on fire Kimmy. There is absolutely no evidence to back this up. On the contrary, there has clearly been plenty of affection for Newcastle since Keegan's swasbucklers of the 90's and Wor Bobby's managerial reign at the club in the media, aswell as Shearer's influence at the BBC. You're no more hated than we are, you deserved to get pilloried last season for the circus that was your club (Joe Kinnear/Mike Ashley/Dennis Wise being the culprits), both on and off the field. Let's not forget you had two players brawling during a game not so long ago.

The fact is, Newcastle will always be seen as a bigger and more glamorous club in the eyes of the Media (and most fans probably) than Sunderland or Boro - so I could understand your outrage if you were a Mackem, seeing as even though they are top dogs in the North East, everyone still talks about Newcastle as THE team from the region

You are a raving lunatic! No evidence my fucking arsehole, were you in a coma last season? Did you not see how everyone was rooting for us to go down? Did you not see how happy everyone was? Did you not see the banners at Villa(a club we have never had any sort of rivalry with)?

It's not Ashley or Shepherd or anyone involved in the club that got the abuse last season(and the seasons before that), it was the fans!

And no Boro and Sunderland will never be seen as bigger or more glamorous, simply because they aren't. Newcastle are getting bigger attendences than Sunderland THIS season ffs!

And you think for a second that had it been Spurs, or Villa, or any biggish established Premiership club that the reaction would have been any different?

Everyone was laughing at us when we were rooted at the bottom of the table beginning of last season.

And imagine if one of the VERY big clubs went down, such as United or Chelsea - what happened to you with the odd banner here and there would be small fry in comparison. People would be dancing in the streets.

So you're not the most hated club in England. Self important, Scouse-like whingery

AND


Cos when it comes to delusions of Grandeur, Newcastle fans are the runaway leaders in the country.

Souness said it best - you've won nothing in 2/3 generations, yet you behave as if you should be the best. You don't see Villa/Everton/Spurs, all more successful clubs, bloating their status in such a manner.

Spider Crouch wrote:And you think for a second that had it been Spurs, or Villa, or any biggish established Premiership club that the reaction would have been any different?

Everyone was laughing at us when we were rooted at the bottom of the table beginning of last season.

And imagine if one of the VERY big clubs went down, such as United or Chelsea - what happened to you with the odd banner here and there would be small fry in comparison. People would be dancing in the streets.

So you're not the most hated club in England. Self important, Scouse-like whingery

I can honestly say, if Villa and Newcastles situations were reversed last season, i don't think we would've seen banners taking the piss in the SJP stands. Ofcourse if it happened in the future that is a different matter.

Also popular opinion in the premiership says Newcastle aren't a big club, so you shouldn't compare us to Everton, Villa, Spurs etc. We're apparently not on that level.

The Santa Stalker wrote:
AND


Cos when it comes to delusions of Grandeur, Newcastle fans are the runaway leaders in the country.

Souness said it best - you've won nothing in 2/3 generations, yet you behave as if you should be the best. You don't see Villa/Everton/Spurs, all more successful clubs, bloating their status in such a manner.

Well this is just a cliche in my eyes, which unfortunately is a big cause of the hate. Generally Newcastle fans in my experience are a downtrodden pessimistic bunch that downplays everything, but the stereotype people have of us is the totaly opposite. I certainly don't think we "bloat our status" anymore than Villa/Everton/Spurs fans.

Kimbo wrote:

Spider Crouch wrote:And you think for a second that had it been Spurs, or Villa, or any biggish established Premiership club that the reaction would have been any different?

Everyone was laughing at us when we were rooted at the bottom of the table beginning of last season.

And imagine if one of the VERY big clubs went down, such as United or Chelsea - what happened to you with the odd banner here and there would be small fry in comparison. People would be dancing in the streets.

So you're not the most hated club in England. Self important, Scouse-like whingery

I can honestly say, if Villa and Newcastles situations were reversed last season, i don't think we would've seen banners taking the piss in the SJP stands. Ofcourse if it happened in the future that is a different matter.

Also popular opinion in the premiership says Newcastle aren't a big club, so you shouldn't compare us to Everton, Villa, Spurs etc. We're apparently not on that level.

Is right!


Villa since 1970:

1 League Title
1 European Cup
4 League Cups

Everton since 1970:

3 League Titles
2 FA Cups
1 European CWC

Spurs since 1970:

3 FA Cups
4 League Cups
2 UEFA Cups

Newcastle since 1970:



Trophy-less = Trophy-less

Kimbo wrote:

The Santa Stalker wrote:
AND


Cos when it comes to delusions of Grandeur, Newcastle fans are the runaway leaders in the country.

Souness said it best - you've won nothing in 2/3 generations, yet you behave as if you should be the best. You don't see Villa/Everton/Spurs, all more successful clubs, bloating their status in such a manner.

Well this is just a cliche in my eyes, which unfortunately is a big cause of the hate. Generally Newcastle fans in my experience are a downtrodden pessimistic bunch that downplays everything, but the stereotype people have of us is the totaly opposite. I certainly don't think we "bloat our status" anymore than Villa/Everton/Spurs fans.

Then how come Keegan, Shearer & Robson (all local heroes) are the only ones who can/could manage the side without any grief?

Answer: Cos you're an insular city.

Newcastle v Spurs again!!!



Lets throw in Man City, Aston Villa and Leeds United as well. Who is the best of these teams? Has the most support? Won most prices? etc!

1970, what a convenient cut off point. Well done Kris.

The Santa Stalker wrote:Then how come Keegan, Shearer & Robson (all local heroes) are the only ones who can/could manage the side without any grief?

Answer: Cos you're an insular city.

Well Keegan and Robson are the only ones that did well. Shearer was only here for a few games. Hughton has never received grief either despite having the worst record of our 4 managers last season. Also we don't all accept the thought of Shearer as manager blindly, i and many others have said we would rather an experienced man. This is another example of the image the press have created, they created the terms "messiah" and "King Kev", and pinned it on Newcastle fans, now everyone thinks we're obsessed with having a geordie manager. Just like with Shepherd, he was mental and made a statement about Newcastle being one of the biggest clubs in the world, now that has been pinned on the fans aswell.

You keep using the word insular, you're the one that is bringing up cliches and stereotypes, you're the one that sounds insular.

Kimbo wrote:1970, what a convenient cut off point. Well done Kris.

Alan Shearer's birth year. Very apt cut-off

Fey wrote:Newcastle v Spurs again!!!



Lets throw in Man City, Aston Villa and Leeds United as well. Who is the best of these teams? Has the most support? Won most prices? etc!

Villa. They won the biggest trophy in Europe in the finest stadium in Europe

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