Chelsea v Liverpool

we are out of the race im afraid, no way back now

Obispo wrote:I'm sorry, but it's is absolute bollocks if you think Gerrard was our best player today.

For a creative midfielder he created nothing and his shots were way off target. Kuyt atleast created and went alot closer.

Gerrard and Pennant have pissed me off no end today.

I don't believe we're out of the title race, though I'm sure "neutral" (ahem) fans think we are. We have to pull our fucking finger out and get finishing though.

I agree Kuyt was perhaps the best player over the ninety minutes. He faded towards the end however, and missed a couple of great chances. I thought Pennant was very poor.

And no, you are not out of the title race.

Rafa Make Me Rich 50 Quid for one and half hours of work

Drogba MoM and rightly so; wondeful goal, came back to defend on numerous occassions, was a thorn in Lpools side.

Pedigree of champions - to grind out results.

luisgarciahedrinkssangria wrote:we are out of the race im afraid, no way back now

That's the spirit, no surrender and all that.

S4P wrote:

Obispo wrote:I'm sorry, but it's is absolute bollocks if you think Gerrard was our best player today.

For a creative midfielder he created nothing and his shots were way off target. Kuyt atleast created and went alot closer.

Gerrard and Pennant have pissed me off no end today.

I don't believe we're out of the title race, though I'm sure "neutral" (ahem) fans think we are. We have to pull our fucking finger out and get finishing though.

Agreed enitrely. I'd be more inclined to say someone like Kuyt played better than those 2.

Yeah, and Agger again. He was once again the most comfortable of our defenders. He only got skinned once I think, and that was when were entirely caught out on the break.

Kuyt was our best player again today. Created some of our best chances and made a great tackle to stop Terry in a 1-vs-1.

luisgarciahedrinkssangria wrote:we are out of the race im afraid, no way back now

Dont be silly the race just started. No have some faith in your team..

luisgarciahedrinkssangria wrote:we are out of the race im afraid, no way back now

You've played 4 games this season. There is still 34 to go. If you beat Newcastle in midweek, you'll boost straight back up the table.

Chin up. All it needs is 1 good run of form.

(OK, you might not actually win the league, but you should still be aiming for at least 2nd place)

@Obispo

How d0 you rate Agger today?

(and WTF is Pennant doing playing for a top team?)

Obispo wrote:I'm sorry, but it's is absolute bollocks if you think Gerrard was our best player today.

For a creative midfielder he created nothing and his shots were way off target. Kuyt atleast created and went alot closer.

Gerrard and Pennant have pissed me off no end today.

I don't believe we're out of the title race, though I'm sure "neutral" (ahem) fans think we are. We have to pull our fucking finger out and get finishing though.

WTF? He created nothing? How about the first half when he skinned Carvalho and bar poor finishing you'd have had your goal! He was running up and down that flank making the rest of your midfield look totally static. Where the hell was Xabi Alonso??? He was non existent.

I dont see how you can be pissed off with Gerrard/Pennany and not the rest of what was a pretty medocre performance from the central midfield and Bellamy

Obispo wrote:

S4P wrote:

Obispo wrote:I'm sorry, but it's is absolute bollocks if you think Gerrard was our best player today.

For a creative midfielder he created nothing and his shots were way off target. Kuyt atleast created and went alot closer.

Gerrard and Pennant have pissed me off no end today.

I don't believe we're out of the title race, though I'm sure "neutral" (ahem) fans think we are. We have to pull our fucking finger out and get finishing though.

Agreed enitrely. I'd be more inclined to say someone like Kuyt played better than those 2.

Yeah, and Agger again. He was once again the most comfortable of our defenders. He only got skinned once I think, and that was when were entirely caught out on the break.

Kuyt was our best player again today. Created some of our best chances and made a great tackle to stop Terry in a 1-vs-1.

and almost scored.

Player ratings;

Petr Cech 7
Khalid Boulahrouz 6
Ricardo Carvalho 7
John Terry 7
Ashley Cole 7
Michael Essien 6
Claude Makelele 6
Michael Ballack 5
Frank Lampard 6
Andrei Shevchenko 6
Didier Drogba 9

Jose Reina 6
Steve Finnan 7
Daniel Agger 6
Jamie Carragher 6
Stephen Warnock 6
Jermaine Pennant 5
Steven Gerrard 7
Xabi Alonso 6
Mohamed Sissoko 6
Craig Bellamy 8
Dirk Kuyt 8

nCfC-CaDiZ-RiQuElMe wrote:

Obispo wrote:I'm sorry, but it's is absolute bollocks if you think Gerrard was our best player today.

For a creative midfielder he created nothing and his shots were way off target. Kuyt atleast created and went alot closer.

Gerrard and Pennant have pissed me off no end today.

I don't believe we're out of the title race, though I'm sure "neutral" (ahem) fans think we are. We have to pull our fucking finger out and get finishing though.

I agree Kuyt was perhaps the best player over the ninety minutes. He faded towards the end however, and missed a couple of great chances. I thought Pennant was very poor.

And no, you are not out of the title race.

I'm not sure about him missing a few good chances. The one he hit against the bar was his best chance IMHO and he did alright there considering it was a difficult angle and Cech is a great keeper.

The half volley near the end would have been missed by just about everyone on the pitch bar an on-form Shevchenko perhaps. It was just a very difficult opportunity - I remember Joe Cole missing one at the death of the FA Cup semi-final.

Crouch's header, from Pennant's only good cross, right at the keeper

Can't believe someone thought Gerrard played well.

Kuyt was very good.


Richard Keys is now telling us that Drogba's "good when he doesn't have time to think".

Why don't you just come out and admit that you and your cronies got it wrong and that he's world class you stunted little ape.

Liverpool are not out of the race! They have a game at hand, and only lost at Stamford Bridge.

We're only 4 or 5 games in. At least wait till december for the bookies to give the title to Chelsea again ! Its far from the ideal start, but in no way a doomsday scenario.

i'm normally always positive and say maybe we can still win the league, but its just too much now, we haven't scored in a month, the team hasn't gelled, we've lost to our 2 worst enemys this week, its awful

Am I being a bit too bias when I say I think Ballack's red was a little harsh? Definite booking, but I seriously don't believe it was "violent conduct".

Had he been on a yellow already, I'd have said "yep, 2nd yellow deserved", but Sissoko didn't half seem fine again very quickly (complete opposite to Essien-Hamann last year, which was violent conduct imo).

I guess it evened itself out.

nCfC-CaDiZ-RiQuElMe wrote:Player ratings;

Petr Cech 7
Khalid Boulahrouz 6
Ricardo Carvalho 7
John Terry 7
Ashley Cole 7
Michael Essien 6
Claude Makelele 6
Michael Ballack 5
Frank Lampard 6
Andrei Shevchenko 6
Didier Drogba 9

Jose Reina 6
Steve Finnan 7
Daniel Agger 6
Jamie Carragher 6
Stephen Warnock 6
Jermaine Pennant 5
Steven Gerrard 7
Xabi Alonso 6
Mohamed Sissoko 6
Craig Bellamy 8
Dirk Kuyt 8

You've marked Sheva, Bellamy and Gerrard too high.

Agger probably too low.

The Real White Pele wrote:

Obispo wrote:I'm sorry, but it's is absolute bollocks if you think Gerrard was our best player today.

For a creative midfielder he created nothing and his shots were way off target. Kuyt atleast created and went alot closer.

Gerrard and Pennant have pissed me off no end today.

I don't believe we're out of the title race, though I'm sure "neutral" (ahem) fans think we are. We have to pull our fucking finger out and get finishing though.

WTF? He created nothing? How about the first half when he skinned Carvalho and bar poor finishing you'd have had your goal! He was running up and down that flank making the rest of your midfield look totally static. Where the hell was Xabi Alonso??? He was non existent.

I dont see how you can be pissed off with Gerrard/Pennany and not the rest of what was a pretty medocre performance from the central midfield and Bellamy

Because the rest of the team didn't squander our best chances for the 2nd league match in a row. How about that for a reason?

Because even the "opportunities" he created himself he cocked up with a complete lack of vision. Alonso atleast displayed a degree of that with his pass through a crowd of players to Kuyt, before he hit the bar. Though I wouldn't say Alonso was good either. But atleast he didn't squander chance after chance again.

Pennant has absolutely NO IDEA how to weight a pass.

Pennant looked the worse player on the field to be honest (he does that alot). Ballack = definate red card - it is obvious he actually meant it if you watch the whole incident.

Was Garcia on the bench? WTF is he? he always owns Chelsea.

Chelsea are absolute masters at hanging onto slim leads.

S4P wrote:Am I being a bit too bias when I say I think Ballack's red was a little harsh? Definite booking, but I seriously don't believe it was "violent conduct".

Had he been on a yellow already, I'd have said "yep, 2nd yellow deserved", but Sissoko didn't half seem fine again very quickly (complete opposite to Essien-Hamann last year, which was violent conduct imo).

I guess it evened itself out.

nah, definite red for me.

a stamp is a stamp.

S4P wrote:Am I being a bit too bias when I say I think Ballack's red was a little harsh? Definite booking, but I seriously don't believe it was "violent conduct".

I said the same thing. It was probably a yellow card, though Lampard's push was probably a penalty.

Player ratings:

Petr Cech 7
Khalid Boulahrouz 6
Ricardo Carvalho 7
John Terry 7
Ashley Cole 7
Michael Essien 7
Claude Makelele 6
Michael Ballack 5
Frank Lampard 6
Andrei Shevchenko 6
Didier Drogba 9

Jose Reina 6
Steve Finnan 6
Daniel Agger 7
Jamie Carragher 6
Stephen Warnock 6
Jermaine Pennant 5
Steven Gerrard 6
Xabi Alonso 6
Mohamed Sissoko 6
Craig Bellamy 8
Dirk Kuyt 8

the bench wasn't great

would of liked:

dudek
gonzales
garcia
crouch
hyypia


but the league isn't won on would of and could ofs

Obispo wrote:

The Real White Pele wrote:

Obispo wrote:I'm sorry, but it's is absolute bollocks if you think Gerrard was our best player today.

For a creative midfielder he created nothing and his shots were way off target. Kuyt atleast created and went alot closer.

Gerrard and Pennant have pissed me off no end today.

I don't believe we're out of the title race, though I'm sure "neutral" (ahem) fans think we are. We have to pull our fucking finger out and get finishing though.

WTF? He created nothing? How about the first half when he skinned Carvalho and bar poor finishing you'd have had your goal! He was running up and down that flank making the rest of your midfield look totally static. Where the hell was Xabi Alonso??? He was non existent.

I dont see how you can be pissed off with Gerrard/Pennany and not the rest of what was a pretty medocre performance from the central midfield and Bellamy

Because the rest of the team didn't squander our best chances for the 2nd league match in a row. How about that for a reason?

Because even the "opportunities" he created himself he cocked up with a complete lack of vision. Alonso atleast displayed a degree of that with his pass through a crowd of players to Kuyt, before he hit the bar. Though I wouldn't say Alonso was good either. But atleast he didn't squander chance after chance again.

Pennant has absolutely NO IDEA how to weight a pass.

Can't agree - he may be doing badly at the moment but that's actually one of his best attributes

Obispo wrote:

The Real White Pele wrote:

Obispo wrote:I'm sorry, but it's is absolute bollocks if you think Gerrard was our best player today.

For a creative midfielder he created nothing and his shots were way off target. Kuyt atleast created and went alot closer.

Gerrard and Pennant have pissed me off no end today.

I don't believe we're out of the title race, though I'm sure "neutral" (ahem) fans think we are. We have to pull our fucking finger out and get finishing though.

WTF? He created nothing? How about the first half when he skinned Carvalho and bar poor finishing you'd have had your goal! He was running up and down that flank making the rest of your midfield look totally static. Where the hell was Xabi Alonso??? He was non existent.

I dont see how you can be pissed off with Gerrard/Pennany and not the rest of what was a pretty medocre performance from the central midfield and Bellamy

Because the rest of the team didn't squander our best chances for the 2nd league match in a row. How about that for a reason?

Because even the "opportunities" he created himself he cocked up with a complete lack of vision. Alonso atleast displayed a degree of that with his pass through a crowd of players to Kuyt, before he hit the bar. Though I wouldn't say Alonso was good either. But atleast he didn't squander chance after chance again.

Pennant has absolutely NO IDEA how to weight a pass.

It was a pretty poor performance allround to be fair; Made harder because Chelsea arent exactly a gung ho team. Neither side seemed to have much time or space on the ball at all.

I dont think its over for Liverpool, Chelsea shaded this thanks to a wonder goal and thats it. They will drop more points if they carry on playing like they did today

S4P wrote:Player ratings:

Petr Cech 7
Khalid Boulahrouz 6
Ricardo Carvalho 7
John Terry 7
Ashley Cole 7
Michael Essien 7
Claude Makelele 6
Michael Ballack 5
Frank Lampard 6
Andrei Shevchenko 6
Didier Drogba 9

Jose Reina 6
Steve Finnan 6
Daniel Agger 7
Jamie Carragher 6
Stephen Warnock 6
Jermaine Pennant 5
Steven Gerrard 6
Xabi Alonso 6
Mohamed Sissoko 6
Craig Bellamy 8
Dirk Kuyt 8

Bellamy 8? eh? he did nothing all day except whine at the ref (as usual).

Distinguished Dutchman wrote:Liverpool are not out of the race! They have a game at hand, and only lost at Stamford Bridge.

We're only 4 or 5 games in. At least wait till december for the bookies to give the title to Chelsea again ! Its far from the ideal start, but in no way a doomsday scenario.

I still don't think it's that bad. Apart from the season before last no team has ever been consistent through the season. There are bad spells. We just can't afford another one now - we had 2 last year, if we have just one this year, like Utd and Chelsea inevitably will, then we should be in contention.

Arsenal is slightly more difficult because they're further behind again, but they also have a game in hand. We may both make it tough for eachother, but I don't think teams are out of the race until christmas.

Unless Utd and Chelsea go on to win their next 7-8 games each and we and arsenal continue to lag behind, but that's doubtful. Though not impossible.

No post match comments?!

borocooper wrote:

S4P wrote:Am I being a bit too bias when I say I think Ballack's red was a little harsh? Definite booking, but I seriously don't believe it was "violent conduct".

Had he been on a yellow already, I'd have said "yep, 2nd yellow deserved", but Sissoko didn't half seem fine again very quickly (complete opposite to Essien-Hamann last year, which was violent conduct imo).

I guess it evened itself out.

nah, definite red for me.

a stamp is a stamp.

It wasn't malicious imo (unlike Essien's last year).

@ obi

yeah, you probably should've had a penalty, although I think we had a good shout for one too (when Agger and Carragher crushed Robben), but a) the ref was miles away so I don't blame him and b) Robben has a reputation for trying to win free kicks and penalties

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Obispo wrote:

The Real White Pele wrote:

Obispo wrote:I'm sorry, but it's is absolute bollocks if you think Gerrard was our best player today.

For a creative midfielder he created nothing and his shots were way off target. Kuyt atleast created and went alot closer.

Gerrard and Pennant have pissed me off no end today.

I don't believe we're out of the title race, though I'm sure "neutral" (ahem) fans think we are. We have to pull our fucking finger out and get finishing though.

WTF? He created nothing? How about the first half when he skinned Carvalho and bar poor finishing you'd have had your goal! He was running up and down that flank making the rest of your midfield look totally static. Where the hell was Xabi Alonso??? He was non existent.

I dont see how you can be pissed off with Gerrard/Pennany and not the rest of what was a pretty medocre performance from the central midfield and Bellamy

Because the rest of the team didn't squander our best chances for the 2nd league match in a row. How about that for a reason?

Because even the "opportunities" he created himself he cocked up with a complete lack of vision. Alonso atleast displayed a degree of that with his pass through a crowd of players to Kuyt, before he hit the bar. Though I wouldn't say Alonso was good either. But atleast he didn't squander chance after chance again.

Pennant has absolutely NO IDEA how to weight a pass.

Can't agree - he may be doing badly at the moment but that's actually one of his best attributes

At Birmingham I would have agreed with you, but he's been dire for us thusfar in that department. His crossing has be capricious at best also.