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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Apr 21, 2010 2:54 pm

    Noah and the Bale wrote:Not had time to read through the whole thread,

    but why is so little being made of Inter's frankly incredulous luck

    that Barcelona had to travel across half of Europe by coach?

    It's not the DEFINING reason for Barca's loss last night, Inter played well and took their opportunity,

    but only a fool would suggest it didn't have some impact on the game.

    Imagine if Inter had suffered the same fate - you wouldn't be able to shut Mourinho up about it.

    He'd be calling press conferences and blaming Iceland for

    deliberately attempting to sabotage his team's preparations.

    In no way was the lead up to this game balanced for both teams, and a slice of luck for Inter, to go alongside the offside goal.

    I'm not even a Barca supporter, but I'm going to do the moaning for them.

    At this rate Inter and Bayern wil surely make the final - both sides have had some outrageous fortune in the knock out stages so far. It looks destined

    You never fail to make a fool out of yourself Bernd! Wink

    You're very selective with the incidents you talk about.

    Sure, the volcano might have been a small help to Inter. But then let's not forget that earlier in the competition CSKA cancelled their game which allowed them to have more rest than Inter for their 2nd leg.

    Milito's offside goal, let's not forget he was called offside when clean through after 5 minutes. Plus there was the Eto'o - Keita incident which looked a very soft freekick.
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    Post by Jaime Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:01 pm

    Noah and the Bale wrote:that Barcelona had to travel across half of Europe by coach?

    But this gave them time to watch both Any Given Sunday and Invictus. If anything the trip should have worked in their favour with such motivational films selected for their viewing pleasure.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:02 pm

    bluenine wrote:
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    bluenine wrote:

    - Balotelli threw his jersey into the ground after the whistle, Mou will probably have to discipline him again...

    :

    It is terrifying how stupid this kid is. God help the team that ends up shelling a fortune for him.

    The rumour is that this might be Balotelli's last gesture in an Inter shirt... throwing down the shirt made a lot of people lose patience with him... apparently Materazzi (bless him) physically assaulted Balotelli in the locker room, Mou called it "ugly", and our GM Paolillo called it "terrible" & "disrespectful".

    Thats it, Balotelli is a goner. Wenger can have him...

    That means the return of Quaresma (who is better anyway) cheers He will come back to haunt Barca at the Nou Camp.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:03 pm

    Jaime wrote:
    Noah and the Bale wrote:that Barcelona had to travel across half of Europe by coach?

    But this gave them time to watch both Any Given Sunday and Invictus. If anything the trip should have worked in their favour with such motivational films selected for their viewing pleasure.

    Also, Barca to Milan is not half way across Europe. Another fail from Bernd.
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    Post by bluenine Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:06 pm

    Noah and the Bale wrote:Not had time to read through the whole thread,

    but why is so little being made of Inter's frankly incredulous luck

    that Barcelona had to travel across half of Europe by coach?

    It's not the DEFINING reason for Barca's loss last night, Inter played well and took their opportunity,

    but only a fool would suggest it didn't have some impact on the game.

    Imagine if Inter had suffered the same fate - you wouldn't be able to shut Mourinho up about it.

    He'd be calling press conferences and blaming Iceland for

    deliberately attempting to sabotage his team's preparations.

    In no way was the lead up to this game balanced for both teams, and a slice of luck for Inter, to go alongside the offside goal.

    I'm not even a Barca supporter, but I'm going to do the moaning for them.

    At this rate Inter and Bayern wil surely make the final - both sides have had some outrageous fortune in the knock out stages so far. It looks destined

    Is this Otto?? If you are, then the quality of yr posts has dropped of late....

    Btw, Inter did not need to travel for fatigue, Mou's (non)rotation policy already has that effect!
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:07 pm

    Also Ozil must have cried himself to sleep. All his theories about Inter were wrong and more importantly Inter gave a massive boost to Italy's UEFA coefficient.
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    Post by bluenine Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:10 pm

    I think this is the first time since the CL started that I am seeing Inter the bookmakers favourite to win it all!!

    Inter 2.62
    Barcelona 2.75
    Bayern München 4.35
    Lyon 8.00
    cheers

    (maybe we were before ManU beat us in the late 90s, can't remember)
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:44 pm

    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

    That means the return of Quaresma (who is better anyway)

    Balotelli must be REALLY shite then.
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    Post by L r dd Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:48 pm

    bluenine wrote:I think this is the first time since the CL started that I am seeing Inter the bookmakers favourite to win it all!!

    Inter 2.62
    Barcelona 2.75
    Bayern München 4.35
    Lyon 8.00
    cheers

    (maybe we were before ManU beat us in the late 90s, can't remember)

    No chance.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:55 pm

    Tweesus wrote:
    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

    That means the return of Quaresma (who is better anyway)

    Balotelli must be REALLY shite then.

    Looking at last night's game and the game at the Emrirates Arsenal must be really shite (perhaps i was too generous saying they were as good as Fiorentina).
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Apr 21, 2010 3:58 pm

    L r dd wrote:
    bluenine wrote:I think this is the first time since the CL started that I am seeing Inter the bookmakers favourite to win it all!!

    Inter 2.62
    Barcelona 2.75
    Bayern München 4.35
    Lyon 8.00
    cheers

    (maybe we were before ManU beat us in the late 90s, can't remember)

    No chance.

    Who was the favourite that season?
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    Post by Calidad Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:11 pm

    What's Keita's role in the team exactly? He isn't a DM and he provides no creativity either. Everything was left to Xavi last night. I think Barca would have been better with a Toure-Busqets combo.

    Keita is a useful squad player, but I really don't think he has any outstanding attributes that should make him a regular first choice at a club like Barca, but Guardiola seems to love him.

    Inter were excellent last night. Tie is still too close to call though imo.
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    Post by Tweesus Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:11 pm

    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
    Tweesus wrote:
    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

    That means the return of Quaresma (who is better anyway)

    Balotelli must be REALLY shite then.

    Looking at last night's game and the game at the Emrirates Arsenal must be really shite (perhaps i was too generous saying they were as good as Fiorentina).

    Well its a bit difficult when three of your players are well off 100% fitness and are either taken off or are the walking wounded by the end of the game.
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    Post by Calidad Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:17 pm

    Also last night only reaffirmed my views on Pedro. Good player; tidy finisher, good positioning, two good feet, decent technique, but finishing aside he doesn't bring a great deal to the table. Average passer, average dribblier, no real strength/pace to truly trouble the better defenders. Doesn't really create anything for others.

    Good squad player, but nothing more.
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    Post by BoBo Vieri 32 Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:19 pm

    Tweesus wrote:
    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
    Tweesus wrote:
    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:

    That means the return of Quaresma (who is better anyway)

    Balotelli must be REALLY shite then.

    Looking at last night's game and the game at the Emrirates Arsenal must be really shite (perhaps i was too generous saying they were as good as Fiorentina).

    Well its a bit difficult when three of your players are well off 100% fitness and are either taken off or are the walking wounded by the end of the game.

    Shouldn't buy so many pussy injury prone players then.
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    Post by Jaime Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:20 pm

    Calidad wrote:What's Keita's role in the team exactly? He isn't a DM and he provides no creativity either. Everything was left to Xavi last night. I think Barca would have been better with a Toure-Busqets combo.

    Keita is a useful squad player, but I really don't think he has any outstanding attributes that should make him a regular first choice at a club like Barca, but Guardiola seems to love him.

    Inter were excellent last night. Tie is still too close to call though imo.

    Keita, without being terribly creative, does keep the ball well. He has excellent long range shooting as well though it was not on display last night. I think he gets a bit lost when he is pushed out on to the left wing tbh.

    Of course, if Iniesta was fit he'd be on the bench.

    Toure cannot buy his way into the XI at this point. Still not entirely sure what he's done to deserve this. Of course we all know that Pep and Carles Busquets like to make out from time to time but Toure has played virtually zero part in Barcelona's season. Really unexplainable.
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    Post by fcb Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:22 pm

    Agreed on Pedro. Jaime clearly doesn't agree Wink


    Re. Keita, he's supposed to be a box to box player in midfield. It's a role he did very well earlier this season, got a spate of goals in the first few weeks. But his game has definitely not been upto par recently...after his recent injuries he hasn't got his rhythm back.
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    Post by Barrilete Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:25 pm

    Question is, whether Inter are going to be able to reproduce this kind of form in europe next season when Mou is at Madrid trying to recuperate their lost glory

    and, should Inter win this CL, how will the ppl see it?Will they see it as a victory of the team and its talented set of individuals?Or just as another display of Mourinho's brilliance??

    whatever happens, I'll cheer for Inter anyway
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    Post by L r dd Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:26 pm

    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
    L r dd wrote:
    bluenine wrote:I think this is the first time since the CL started that I am seeing Inter the bookmakers favourite to win it all!!

    Inter 2.62
    Barcelona 2.75
    Bayern München 4.35
    Lyon 8.00
    cheers

    (maybe we were before ManU beat us in the late 90s, can't remember)

    No chance.

    Who was the favourite that season?

    Bayern and Manchester joint favs.
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    Post by Calidad Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:26 pm

    Jaime wrote:
    Calidad wrote:What's Keita's role in the team exactly? He isn't a DM and he provides no creativity either. Everything was left to Xavi last night. I think Barca would have been better with a Toure-Busqets combo.

    Keita is a useful squad player, but I really don't think he has any outstanding attributes that should make him a regular first choice at a club like Barca, but Guardiola seems to love him.

    Inter were excellent last night. Tie is still too close to call though imo.

    Keita, without being terribly creative, does keep the ball well. He has excellent long range shooting as well though it was not on display last night. I think he gets a bit lost when he is pushed out on to the left wing tbh.

    Of course, if Iniesta was fit he'd be on the bench.

    Toure cannot buy his way into the XI at this point. Still not entirely sure what he's done to deserve this. Of course we all know that Pep and Carles Busquets like to make out from time to time but Toure has played virtually zero part in Barcelona's season. Really unexplainable.

    But even when Iniesta has been fit, he has often played LW to accomodate Keita, which is an absolute shocker of a decision.

    Toure-Xavi-Iniesta was awesome last season. Best MF in the world.

    Toure's game has dropped slightly (tho not enough to merit his apparent demotion) and Busquets is a fine replacement, but I have no idea why Iniesta has been moved to the wing. I wouldn't move him to the wing for Cesc, so certainly not for Keita.
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    Post by Jaime Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:28 pm

    kas wrote:Agreed on Pedro. Jaime clearly doesn't agree Wink

    I don't necessarily disagree with the assessment. What I disagree with is that a player like that is not good enough for Barcelona's XI and that he needs to be replaced with a 'name only' like Robinho or Luis Suarez. You don't need 11 world class players in the XI - isn't that why everyone is always criticising Real Madrid?
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    Post by fcb Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:31 pm

    Barrilete wrote:Question is, whether Inter are going to be able to reproduce this kind of form in europe next season when Mou is at Madrid trying to recuperate their lost glory

    and, should Inter win this CL, how will the ppl see it?Will they see it as a victory of the team and its talented set of individuals?Or just as another display of Mourinho's brilliance??

    whatever happens, I'll cheer for Inter anyway

    I think Mourinho does deserve a lot of credit for his tactical performances in the Chelsea 2nd leg and last night. Most people will take this as a reinforcement that he is some kind of god.

    But let's not forget that Inter changed almost half their starting lineup this year (mostly funded by Guardiola's 'feeling' Grr ) to feature faster players that are more comfortable with actually playing football rather than simply running around and kicking their opponents.

    Of course it could be argued that Mourinho himself asked for most of these players, but I'm not 100% sure how true that is and how Inter's transfers are done...from the outside it certainly seems like the president is quite involved. And of course, as I said above, the fund for their team overhaul was basically Guardiola's lust for Ibrahimovic.
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    Post by L r dd Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:31 pm

    Didn't Pedro score yesterday. Ibra was more dissapointing. Barca finally losing a cl knockout match is a bit cheap reason to bring out the agendas
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    Post by fcb Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:34 pm

    Jaime wrote:
    kas wrote:Agreed on Pedro. Jaime clearly doesn't agree Wink

    I don't necessarily disagree with the assessment. What I disagree with is that a player like that is not good enough for Barcelona's XI and that he needs to be replaced with a 'name only' like Robinho or Luis Suarez. You don't need 11 world class players in the XI - isn't that why everyone is always criticising Real Madrid?

    I don't think that either of them can be considered world class, certainly not Luis Suarez who is my preference. And I don't think that either of them are just names...they both get much more involved in the team's play and are more creative than Pedro, while also being able to freely score goals. The big question of course is whether they bring enough of an advantage over Pedro to justify big wages and a big transfer fee.
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    Post by Jaime Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:34 pm

    Calidad wrote:
    Jaime wrote:
    Calidad wrote:What's Keita's role in the team exactly? He isn't a DM and he provides no creativity either. Everything was left to Xavi last night. I think Barca would have been better with a Toure-Busqets combo.

    Keita is a useful squad player, but I really don't think he has any outstanding attributes that should make him a regular first choice at a club like Barca, but Guardiola seems to love him.

    Inter were excellent last night. Tie is still too close to call though imo.

    Keita, without being terribly creative, does keep the ball well. He has excellent long range shooting as well though it was not on display last night. I think he gets a bit lost when he is pushed out on to the left wing tbh.

    Of course, if Iniesta was fit he'd be on the bench.

    Toure cannot buy his way into the XI at this point. Still not entirely sure what he's done to deserve this. Of course we all know that Pep and Carles Busquets like to make out from time to time but Toure has played virtually zero part in Barcelona's season. Really unexplainable.

    But even when Iniesta has been fit, he has often played LW to accomodate Keita, which is an absolute shocker of a decision.

    Toure-Xavi-Iniesta was awesome last season. Best MF in the world.

    Toure's game has dropped slightly (tho not enough to merit his apparent demotion) and Busquets is a fine replacement, but I have no idea why Iniesta has been moved to the wing. I wouldn't move him to the wing for Cesc, so certainly not for Keita.

    I think the short answer is: Pep is an idiot. Ale
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    Post by Luis Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:35 pm

    Calidad wrote:Also last night only reaffirmed my views on Pedro. Good player; tidy finisher, good positioning, two good feet, decent technique, but finishing aside he doesn't bring a great deal to the table.

    lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!
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    Post by Jaime Wed Apr 21, 2010 4:38 pm

    kas wrote:
    Jaime wrote:
    kas wrote:Agreed on Pedro. Jaime clearly doesn't agree Wink

    I don't necessarily disagree with the assessment. What I disagree with is that a player like that is not good enough for Barcelona's XI and that he needs to be replaced with a 'name only' like Robinho or Luis Suarez. You don't need 11 world class players in the XI - isn't that why everyone is always criticising Real Madrid?

    I don't think that either of them can be considered world class, certainly not Luis Suarez who is my preference. And I don't think that either of them are just names...they both get much more involved in the team's play and are more creative than Pedro, while also being able to freely score goals. The big question of course is whether they bring enough of an advantage over Pedro to justify big wages and a big transfer fee.

    I can't really speak to Luis Suarez because I haven't seen more than maybe two full matches that he is played in. He doesn't strike me as being this creative wizard that would be heads and shoulders above Pedro. Robinho ok maybe he is a better dribbler I don't think I ever saw him make any jaw dropping creative passes in all the years he was in Madrid. And Pedro has already shown that the big occasion does not scare him whereas Robinho runs and hides like a school girl.

    Pedro is like a 7/10. Who, when complimented by Messi and Zlatan (isn't he supposed to be your creative genius?) should be more than good enough for your XI. He understands the way you play, works hard, scores goals. But hey, maybe that isn't enough to be one of Pep's dream boys.
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    Post by bluenine Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:07 pm

    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
    L r dd wrote:
    bluenine wrote:I think this is the first time since the CL started that I am seeing Inter the bookmakers favourite to win it all!!

    Inter 2.62
    Barcelona 2.75
    Bayern München 4.35
    Lyon 8.00
    cheers

    (maybe we were before ManU beat us in the late 90s, can't remember)

    No chance.

    Who was the favourite that season?

    I think at the QF stage it was either Inter or Juve.... of course, ManU ended up upseting both of them...
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    Post by bluenine Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:11 pm

    L r dd wrote:
    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
    L r dd wrote:
    bluenine wrote:I think this is the first time since the CL started that I am seeing Inter the bookmakers favourite to win it all!!

    Inter 2.62
    Barcelona 2.75
    Bayern München 4.35
    Lyon 8.00
    cheers

    (maybe we were before ManU beat us in the late 90s, can't remember)

    No chance.

    Who was the favourite that season?

    Bayern and Manchester joint favs.
    lol! How old were you, 10?
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    Post by L r dd Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:17 pm

    bluenine wrote:
    L r dd wrote:
    BoBo Vieri 32 wrote:
    L r dd wrote:
    bluenine wrote:I think this is the first time since the CL started that I am seeing Inter the bookmakers favourite to win it all!!

    Inter 2.62
    Barcelona 2.75
    Bayern München 4.35
    Lyon 8.00
    cheers

    (maybe we were before ManU beat us in the late 90s, can't remember)

    No chance.

    Who was the favourite that season?

    Bayern and Manchester joint favs.
    lol! How old were you, 10?

    13.....Inter were 4th in most bookmakers and 6/1 before the QF. Not sure where you get favourites from Ale

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