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James Milner New England Man
Brian2468- Number of posts : 4875
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James Milner New England Man
Seen enough to rave a little about him. Play Milner as a DM CM he is a real blood england character player not seen around in ages. Faster than Lampard and covers more area and passes well, opens up for every player in the side. Cool under pressure in defense. He can take Hargreaves role, may not be as experienced but will not let the side down. England needs a real engine this is the man. Capello will have way more options having such an adaptable player in the middle someone that learns quickly what the coach requires. Other midfielders and wingers can score the goals. England needs that minder player we got use to calling a defensive midfielder they became specialized because of the lack of true center midfielders that can really do the lot. In past years Gerrard, Lampard, Scholes, were more effective in a forward role never strong in front of the defense Milner out works these players always looking for the ball never looking for glory or goals but with his energy driving the side forward.....Real football winner now will Capello see this or anyone else.
Dualist- Number of posts : 408
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Re: James Milner New England Man
I don't think Milner can play DM. Petrov does that for Villa. He could never play the Hargreaves role.
As far as his position is concerned, will have to be in the wings or as attacking midfielder.
But what could he offer than say Joe Cole? Little genius has more to him than Milner IMO. Better first touch, control, passing, vision, finishing and overall reading of the game. Experience, big match experience. MOTM against likes of United, Barcelona, Bayern, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, etc. Combines well with Lampard too.
England's best attacking player in 2006 world cup if you recollect.
As far as his position is concerned, will have to be in the wings or as attacking midfielder.
But what could he offer than say Joe Cole? Little genius has more to him than Milner IMO. Better first touch, control, passing, vision, finishing and overall reading of the game. Experience, big match experience. MOTM against likes of United, Barcelona, Bayern, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, etc. Combines well with Lampard too.
England's best attacking player in 2006 world cup if you recollect.
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Re: James Milner New England Man
Dualist wrote:MOTM against likes of United, Barcelona, Bayern, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, etc.
Do not forget his performance against Valencia. Easily one of my favorite English footballers (mind you there aren't many)..
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Sorry my mistake. Those who don't get the magnitude of that performance.
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Re: James Milner New England Man
Great Stuff. Kas goes on about some outside the boot passes that makes me go "overrated". This one doesn't. Brilliant player.
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What about his close control? Absolutely brilliant.
Even before Gourcuff, there was Joe Cole. Not just Toulouse or PSG, but against Man United defence.
Even before Gourcuff, there was Joe Cole. Not just Toulouse or PSG, but against Man United defence.
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I haven't seen this before or I forgot.
Joe cole
Joe cole
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Re: James Milner New England Man
Stop talking to yourself
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Welcome Lrdd.
Is United signing Cole? Better than Nani for sure
Is United signing Cole? Better than Nani for sure
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No he's not but i wouldn't mind him took the Italian ages to cling onto the fact Cole > Ballack.
Why don't you go log back on to your dualist ID and tell me how Cole can do things Nani cant
Why don't you go log back on to your dualist ID and tell me how Cole can do things Nani cant
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Would prefer to log into my Brian2468 id in stead.L r dd wrote:Why don't you go log back on to your dualist ID and tell me how Cole can do things Nani cant
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Re: James Milner New England Man
Not a DM as such, but so far, Capello hasnt had the luxury of a pure DM, using some sort of midfield consiting of Lampard and Barry.
Considering Carrick's very poor form recently, and Barry being fairly indifferent and Lampard being completely ineffectual when he's not in the final third, i'd be more than tempted to play Milner there. He's very tenacious, intelligent use of the ball, and confident under pressure. He won't drift out of a game like Carrick *always" does.
Also, opens up a further place for a winger and therefore increases the likelihood of Adam Johnson going.
Considering Carrick's very poor form recently, and Barry being fairly indifferent and Lampard being completely ineffectual when he's not in the final third, i'd be more than tempted to play Milner there. He's very tenacious, intelligent use of the ball, and confident under pressure. He won't drift out of a game like Carrick *always" does.
Also, opens up a further place for a winger and therefore increases the likelihood of Adam Johnson going.
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Anyone think we'll see a return of the fabled Gerrard / Lampard partnership
I wouldn't rule it out if Barry is injured.
I wouldn't rule it out if Barry is injured.
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Well the two of them haven't even had great seasons this year...
So to answer your question, probably.
So to answer your question, probably.
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Capello is to smart to resort to a midfield with them. I think he'd call up or play a lot of different players rather than try a tried and failed method.
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Re: James Milner New England Man
Dualist wrote:I don't think Milner can play DM. Petrov does that for Villa. He could never play the Hargreaves role.
As far as his position is concerned, will have to be in the wings or as attacking midfielder.
But what could he offer than say Joe Cole? Little genius has more to him than Milner IMO. Better first touch, control, passing, vision, finishing and overall reading of the game. Experience, big match experience. MOTM against likes of United, Barcelona, Bayern, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, etc. Combines well with Lampard too.
England's best attacking player in 2006 world cup if you recollect.
They're just different players. Milner is most like Gerrard/Lampard as far as England midfielders go. Not sure if Lampard-Milner would work in central midfield. Milner has basically replaced Barry for Villa, but Barry played further forward for Villa than he does for England.
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Re: James Milner New England Man
you can't claim to be starting the James Milner bandwagon Brian, it's been up and running for months
He's nothing special though
We should play Peter Crouch in midfield since he has such fucking good feet for a big man
He's nothing special though
We should play Peter Crouch in midfield since he has such fucking good feet for a big man
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Exactly. I have seen Cole-Lampard rip apart big teams in leauge and champions league. That has more likelihood of working than Lampard-Milner.debaser wrote:Not sure if Lampard-Milner would work in central midfield.
Hlebagone wrote:Also, opens up a further place for a winger and therefore increases the likelihood of Adam Johnson going.
Knowing Capello, I'm guessing there wouldn't be much difference from the ones he picked for WCQ campaign. In which case, Barry, SWP, Carrick, Walcott, Upson, Green et all are almost definitely going to SA. They all have better chances of playing than someone like Adam Johnson.
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Dualist wrote:Exactly. I have seen Cole-Lampard rip apart big teams in leauge and champions league. That has more likelihood of working than Lampard-Milner.debaser wrote:Not sure if Lampard-Milner would work in central midfield.
Really? When did Chelsea last play Cole-Lampard together in CM?
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debaser wrote:Dualist wrote:Exactly. I have seen Cole-Lampard rip apart big teams in leauge and champions league. That has more likelihood of working than Lampard-Milner.debaser wrote:Not sure if Lampard-Milner would work in central midfield.
Really? When did Chelsea last play Cole-Lampard together in CM?
Not specifically saying they played in a two man midfield.
They last played something like that in 2007-08 when Cole was comfortably their best player. But with change of managers, injuries and stuff, he has been in and out.
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Dualist wrote:debaser wrote:Dualist wrote:Exactly. I have seen Cole-Lampard rip apart big teams in leauge and champions league. That has more likelihood of working than Lampard-Milner.debaser wrote:Not sure if Lampard-Milner would work in central midfield.
Really? When did Chelsea last play Cole-Lampard together in CM?
Not specifically saying they played in a two man midfield.
They last played something like that in 2007-08 when Cole was comfortably their best player. But with change of managers, injuries and stuff, he has been in and out.
Well, it's kinda different thing then. England play 442, and Capello ain't gonna change that now. You couldn't put Lampard-Cole in CM in a 442. Lampard-Milner would not be so different to Lampard-Barry which is the current choice.
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debaser wrote:Dualist wrote:debaser wrote:Dualist wrote:Exactly. I have seen Cole-Lampard rip apart big teams in leauge and champions league. That has more likelihood of working than Lampard-Milner.debaser wrote:Not sure if Lampard-Milner would work in central midfield.
Really? When did Chelsea last play Cole-Lampard together in CM?
Not specifically saying they played in a two man midfield.
They last played something like that in 2007-08 when Cole was comfortably their best player. But with change of managers, injuries and stuff, he has been in and out.
Well, it's kinda different thing then. England play 442, and Capello ain't gonna change that now. You couldn't put Lampard-Cole in CM in a 442. Lampard-Milner would not be so different to Lampard-Barry which is the current choice.
I don't think it's a rigid 4-4-2 though. Anyway, why do you think Milner is THAT different from Cole?
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Re: James Milner New England Man
It's not totally rigid, but the set-up based on recent games is likely to be:
Lennon/Walcott-Lampar-Barry-Gerrard
Milner just is a lot more like Barry than Cole. Cole has no particular defensive skills to speak of. Milner is not a defender either, but he does cover lots of ground and he plays CM in a similar type of 442 for Villa, which requires a certain amount of defensive nous. He's trusted there to the degree that he's been used as a full back now and again. I don't think anyone would put J.Cole as fullback.
Put simply, in board terminology, he's more of a facking runner than Cole. Also, I'd say Cole fades out of games and goes missing sometimes, where Milner - even if playing badly - is always looking for the ball.
Lennon/Walcott-Lampar-Barry-Gerrard
Milner just is a lot more like Barry than Cole. Cole has no particular defensive skills to speak of. Milner is not a defender either, but he does cover lots of ground and he plays CM in a similar type of 442 for Villa, which requires a certain amount of defensive nous. He's trusted there to the degree that he's been used as a full back now and again. I don't think anyone would put J.Cole as fullback.
Put simply, in board terminology, he's more of a facking runner than Cole. Also, I'd say Cole fades out of games and goes missing sometimes, where Milner - even if playing badly - is always looking for the ball.
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Re: James Milner New England Man
Fair enough. But Cole looks for the ball all the time. Even on his bad days, but not much of a "runner" in traditional terms. Agree that Milner seems more of a halfback.
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Re: James Milner New England Man
As much as I love Joe Cole..and do think he'll be great again. I dont recall him doing all that much in the last year.
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Re: James Milner New England Man
you can't claim to be starting the James Milner bandwagon Brian, it's been up and running for months
He's nothing special though
We should play Peter Crouch in midfield since he has such fucking good feet for a big man
Hey what you talking about Buster read between the lines I'm saying this guy is real center midfield apple pie............
We are all brainwashed see goal scoring yuppies Milner can be brought on molded into an intelligent middle man
He needs to be the first name down on the midfield team sheet thats how good I am saying he or will be once the world cup goes round....
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Joe Cole my arse...... good player but not playing the role Milner could be able if coaches catch on.....
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What I see in Milner is a player somewhat like Lampard but a faster better all round team man. In the middle defensively you need to place pressure fast on your opposition for 90 minutes he does this better than any player in England.
The midfielder in the link man again you need wheels a top class defense will get beat every time if you do not open lanes to pass the ball out for 90 minutes Milner is able to do this better than Lampard Barry Gerrard one main reason is they were groomed to score goals.... This is not his part of the game this is why posters on here cannot see where he fits. He is better than any DM player because he also adds more width going forward if needed leaving the LB and RB resting time if they have been attacking.
Look at the teams you support could you not see him fitting in the middle.
The midfielder in the link man again you need wheels a top class defense will get beat every time if you do not open lanes to pass the ball out for 90 minutes Milner is able to do this better than Lampard Barry Gerrard one main reason is they were groomed to score goals.... This is not his part of the game this is why posters on here cannot see where he fits. He is better than any DM player because he also adds more width going forward if needed leaving the LB and RB resting time if they have been attacking.
Look at the teams you support could you not see him fitting in the middle.
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Fenomeno wrote:Great Stuff. Kas goes on about some outside the boot passes that makes me go "overrated". This one doesn't. Brilliant player.
Nothing wrong with being impressed by one pass. Doesn't make me think Nani is world class.
For the record, I've always rated, and still rate, Joe Cole. Even suggested him as a possible Barça signing because of his versatility and technical ability. But it's clear that he's not up to match fitness yet after his recent injury problems, and isn't getting regular 90 mins at Chelsea...if he doesn't play the majority of their remaining games this season, I think he'll miss out on the World Cup squad.
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Brian2468 wrote:What I see in Milner is a player somewhat like Lampard but a faster better all round team man. In the middle defensively you need to place pressure fast on your opposition for 90 minutes he does this better than any player in England.
The midfielder in the link man again you need wheels a top class defense will get beat every time if you do not open lanes to pass the ball out for 90 minutes Milner is able to do this better than Lampard Barry Gerrard one main reason is they were groomed to score goals.... This is not his part of the game this is why posters on here cannot see where he fits. He is better than any DM player because he also adds more width going forward if needed leaving the LB and RB resting time if they have been attacking.
Look at the teams you support could you not see him fitting in the middle.
I'm slightly confused how you see Barry (who started out in defence) as someone who was groomed to score goals, while Milner (who started out as a forward) as someone who wasn't. Milner's scored about 10 for Villa this season, while I don't even know if Barry has scored once for City.
Milner's been moved to centre of midfield by MON, and has something of a free role with Petrov holding. I think he can do a box-to-box midfield role, of the Vieira type, but not a pure holding role like Makelele/Maschebastard etc.,as he doesn't have all the defensive dark arts needed..
If Man Utd have money this summer, I think Milner is a player Ferguson would love. But I'm not too worried as I don't think they have the cash.
P.s. can I sign you up for the Terry-out campaign, after he tried to destroy Milner's knee at the weekend?