Liverpool FC Thread 2011-2012

It's ze truth and you know it.

You're right, if more of these kids had just done the correct thing and went to play in the Bundesliga, they could be out there right now playing in the Europa league helping to amass some more coefficient points for the worlds most competitive league. Silly sausages!

Or they could have just stayed in their domestic league and increased their chance of professional football / career roughly tenfold.

Huntelaar should've stayed at PSV - it would have spared Real Madrid and Milan, and anyone who got taken in by his hype the pain

blutgraetsche wrote:It's just a shit strategy for the young players involved. Hence the last thing a promising young player should do is to move to one of those big club academies. For most of them, it's a waste of time and often a career killing decision even.

what nonsense, there are so many indeterminate factors and examples of success and failure. Each player, club and situation is unique and there are myriad examples of players who move, fail or succeed, and stay fail or succeed.

The success rate of those roughly 50 young players in your academy clearly speaks for that Glenn.

It's a low risk strategy for your club and therefore has its benefits, but don't try to tell me that it's to the benefit of those young players, too. That's a farce.

blutgraetsche wrote:Or they could have just stayed in their domestic league and increased their chance of professional football / career roughly tenfold.

No! Ridiculous!

To be fair, can't blame these kids for making career moves to big clubs - even if they don't make it the experience and quality of coaching should progress rather than hinder their careers.

Noah und der Bale wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:Or they could have just stayed in their domestic league and increased their chance of professional football / career roughly tenfold.

No! Ridiculous!

To be fair, can't blame these kids for making career moves to big clubs - even if they don't make it the experience and quality of coaching should progress rather than hinder their careers.

It's not a given that big clubs will have better youth coaching. In fact, some small clubs are much better at it...partly because they actually need these youngsters in the first team and/or for their club's business model to work. For big clubs, it's just a low risk accounting transaction - they want to capture the talent cheap to save money in transfer fees later on.

blutgraetsche wrote:The success rate of those roughly 50 young players in your academy clearly speaks for that Glenn.

It's a low risk strategy for your club and therefore has its benefits, but don't try to tell me that it's to the benefit of those young players, too. That's a farce.

are there any example of promising young players who haven't moved to a big club and still failed? Or is it only those who move that underachieve?

At the risk of repeating myself, there are myriad examples of players who move, fail or succeed, and stay fail or succeed.

I don't know if it is the case with Liverpool and Benitez but I know in Madrid there is this obsession with finding 'our Messi' and especially in the Calderon era we were buying up loads of foreign teenagers to stick in in Castilla with the hope that one of them would turn out to be awesome. Names like Opare (the Ghanaian Cafu), Alipio (the Brasilian Cristiano Ronaldo), Adam Szalai (the Hungarian van Nistelrooy), Christopher Schorch (the German Metzelder ), Javier Acuña (the Paraguyan Raul), Gary Kagelmacher (the Uruguayan Walter Samuel), etc etc etc etc. None of them have worked out. To me Messi was like lightning in a bottle. The vast majority of Barcelona's youth players that succeed are local or at least national kids. The very best of our academy players are local/national. Of course they don't get a chance either but still.

It seems to me the best players that have come out of Liverpool still are Gerrard, Carragher, and now Flanagan, Robinson, Kelly, and even little Jay Spearing is at least contributing something to the first team unlike Gulacsi or Mavinga or Kakaniklic or Bruna or Palsson or Dalla Valle or Nemeth or Saric or Weijl or whoever.

And it is odd that the best one of Rafa's army of foreign kids, Mikel San Jose, he just let walk away.

Jaimito el Crack wrote:I don't know if it is the case with Liverpool and Benitez but I know in Madrid there is this obsession with finding 'our Messi' and especially in the Calderon era we were buying up loads of foreign teenagers to stick in in Castilla with the hope that one of them would turn out to be awesome. Names like Opare (the Ghanaian Cafu), Alipio (the Brasilian Cristiano Ronaldo), Adam Szalai (the Hungarian van Nistelrooy), Christopher Schorch (the German Metzelder ), Javier Acuña (the Paraguyan Raul), Gary Kagelmacher (the Uruguayan Walter Samuel), etc etc etc etc. None of them have worked out. To me Messi was like lightning in a bottle. The vast majority of Barcelona's youth players that succeed are local or at least national kids. The very best of our academy players are local/national. Of course they don't get a chance either but still.

It seems to me the best players that have come out of Liverpool still are Gerrard, Carragher, and now Flanagan, Robinson, Kelly, and even little Jay Spearing is at least contributing something to the first team unlike Gulacsi or Mavinga or Kakaniklic or Bruna or Palsson or Dalla Valle or Nemeth or Saric or Weijl or whoever.

Didn't he preform pretty decent last season in the German league?

Quite a day for Dalglish. All his summer signings were excellent, particularly a Mr J Henderson who will only get better once Johnson returns.

Add Gerrard, Meireles and Johnson into this and the signs are very good. Carroll can hopefully develop into a supersub.

Suarez

not just a good day for Dalglish, a good day for the EMB because I know how many posters here have a soft spot for Liverpool and are delighted with the trajectory we've taken in the past 8 months. Happy Birthday Carsten Jancker

Coates didn't play last night in Nacional league's match. Apparently he is on his way to Liverpool to sign a contract.

stinger wrote:Coates didn't play last night in Nacional league's match. Apparently he is on his way to Liverpool to sign a contract.

He was sat in the crowd at Anfield yesterday Stinger so it's safe to say he'll be signing soon

José Glenrique wrote:not just a good day for Dalglish, a good day for the EMB because I know how many posters here have a soft spot for Liverpool and are delighted with the trajectory we've taken in the past 8 months. Happy Birthday Carsten Jancker

Liverpool were excellent yesterday. Clearly play better without Carrol, a little like us and Crouch(in the league at least, played well in Europe with him). Both have their uses though, but as plan B's. In my humblest of opinions.

Certainly gelling quicker than I anticipated. Which means you must be favourites for a top 4 finish over us and Arsenal given we both have issues with losing our best players (Modric may well stay but could well be demotivated).

COTR wrote:

stinger wrote:Coates didn't play last night in Nacional league's match. Apparently he is on his way to Liverpool to sign a contract.

He was sat in the crowd at Anfield yesterday Stinger so it's safe to say he'll be signing soon

Aaaa, ok. Saw info yesterday in betting previews for Nacional game, didn't know that.

£8mill and Yossi back in exchange for Raul. Chelsea can fuck off.

Oof..Kenny might bite their hand off, take that £8m and re-invest it in someone like Cattermole.

Chris 23* wrote:£8mill and Yossi back in exchange for Raul. Chelsea can fuck off.

Wasn't there a rumour that Meireles was up for sale at £15m? That would value a 31 year old Banyoun at £7M, plus his Chelsea wages. Haha.

Its great how youtube has allowed so many spastics to upload videos and just gurgle in the background.

We've got rid of Poulsen!

Sebastian Coates



Is it me or does he look a bit like a young Iggy Pop?

Also, with a name like that, he must have English ancestry, right?

Chris 23* wrote:

What we really need is more ex-Liverpool pundits.

A couple of scottish grandparants I heard.

Has he actually signed then?

christmasborocooper wrote:Has he actually signed then?

Looks very likely, he was at Melwood having a medical today and was just trying to agree a pay off with City which looks like it's been done according to various journalists.

I think it was a toss up between us, QPR and possibly Spurs.