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    Post by Fade out Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:28 pm

    Essien has played box-to-box, but was easily the more attack-minded than defensive, won balls high up the pitch along with Juninho, with Diarra/Edmilson behind as DMs. He rarely was a DM-minded player.

    And it's you Cule c**ts who used Yaya as a restrictive DM, he plays as AM fairly regularly these days. Not even box to box. So fuck off

    As for your suggestion that Mikel could have played as a AM-ish player. lol!


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    Post by Fey Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:29 pm

    Jordy Clasie! Depressing to see what Holland send to the Ukraine while this man stays at home. Can use both feet, great tackle, amazing vision, great shot, has the ability to read a game and think for other team members. A relief to the thirteen in a dozen box-to-box midfielders.

    Ricky van Wolfswinkel AkA THE BODY: A disgrace de Jong and even Huntelaar are ahead of him. This guy has so much potential. And has most likely the best football body in the bizz! I noticed that already when he was still a goofy teen! Besides he is fucking eye candy in general!

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    Post by messiah Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:41 pm

    Fade out wrote:Essien has played box-to-box, but was easily the more attack-minded than defensive, won balls high up the pitch along with Juninho, with Diarra/Edmilson behind as DMs. He rarely was a DM-minded player.

    And it's you Cule c**ts who used Yaya as a restrictive DM, he plays as AM fairly regularly these days. Not even box to box. So fuck off

    As for your suggestion that Mikel could have played as a AM-ish player. lol!

    You do realize you sound rather stupid right now right, why are you tell us about a back water league like the french league Twisted Evil , why are you using two players to make a point, when their is 100's of black midfielders who are all primarily used as work horses.

    Ok i will join your fan, i think i know where this is coming from

    Zidane is the best player ever. a million times better than messi and iniesta, he won the WC,Euros and took france to the 06 final, putting in 20 of the greatest individual performances ever seen

    Not only that, he has won 10 league titles, 5 CL, playing brilliantly in every single game since his move to juve, scoring or assisting in most games, and helping his team dictate the pace and tempo of every single games he failed to score or provide an assist in

    and yes cabaye is as good as modric.
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    Post by Fade out Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:51 pm

    "100's of black midfielders who are all primarily used as work horses."

    How about you name one who could be played as AM but was undersold as DM? Just don't make blanket assumptions.

    Even for Chelsea, Essien was used aptly, suited to his best abilities...

    Back water league called French league had a hand in 6 WPOTY awards. Dinho was a Ligue un player when you signed him.

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    Post by messiah Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:57 pm

    Fade out wrote:"100's of black midfielders who are all primarily used as work horses."

    How about you name one who could be played as AM but was undersold as DM? Just don't make blanket assumptions.

    Even for Chelsea, Essien was used aptly, suited to his best abilities...

    Back water league called French league had a hand in 6 WPOTY awards. Dinho was a Ligue un player when you signed him.


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    But just to shut you up, can you honesty say you ever saw mikel play before he moved to chelsea
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    Post by Fade out Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:59 pm

    Maybe Hlebagone will also ban posters who've petered out of discussions with gifs and images. Ale
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    Post by Fade out Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:04 pm

    I've seen the same under-20 tournament where he shined more than Messi, next?

    Pretty sure you haven't seen him play more than me. I'd bet on that. In fact, you've never even followed ANC when likes of Super, EMP, myself and few others have critiqued and archived it over the years. Fuck off.
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    Post by Football Genius Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:11 pm

    Fade out wrote:I've seen the same under-20 tournament where he shined more than Messi, next?

    Pretty sure you haven't seen him play more than me. I'd bet on that. In fact, you've never even followed ANC when likes of Super, EMP, myself and few others have critiqued and archived it over the years. Fuck off.


    You're 48 Roger , on here, talking to yourself.

    AND, you're French.

    It's difficult to imagine life being much worse than that.
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    Post by messiah Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:12 pm

    Fade out wrote:I've seen the same under-20 tournament where he shined more than Messi, next?

    Pretty sure you haven't seen him play more than me. I'd bet on that. In fact, you've never even followed ANC when likes of Super, EMP, myself and few others have critiqued and archived it over the years. Fuck off.

    Idiot, so you saw him play at the U20's and your laughing at the suggestion that he can play AM/CM

    Fucking idiot, can't believe you fell for that, simply then suggests you know little about the game you watch and simply regurgitate the popular opinion of the day that suits your opinion.

    why am i even replying to you, when everyone has thus far laughed at you totally asinine suggestions
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    Post by Fade out Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:20 pm

    messiah wrote:
    Fade out wrote:I've seen the same under-20 tournament where he shined more than Messi, next?

    Pretty sure you haven't seen him play more than me. I'd bet on that. In fact, you've never even followed ANC when likes of Super, EMP, myself and few others have critiqued and archived it over the years. Fuck off.

    Idiot, so you saw him play at the U20's and your laughing at the suggestion that he can play AM/CM

    Fucking idiot, can't believe you fell for that, simply then suggests you know little about the game you watch and simply regurgitate the popular opinion of the day that suits your opinion.

    why am i even replying to you, when everyone has thus far laughed at you totally asinine suggestions

    My point being that you're only basing it on that level.

    Under-20 level, he was able to dominate with his physicality. Since that, he has been a disappointment in AM role for Nigerio in ANC. Unlike players like Cesc, Messi, Aguero, Nasri, Ben Arfa, Mikel never really shows his attacking attributes any more. Even his quick turns and skills to get away from players immediately gets shunted out. Obviously you will blame it all on Jose Mourinho, despite the fact that he played only 20% of his Chelsea career under him.
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    Post by Fade out Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:22 pm

    Football Genius wrote:
    Fade out wrote:I've seen the same under-20 tournament where he shined more than Messi, next?

    Pretty sure you haven't seen him play more than me. I'd bet on that. In fact, you've never even followed ANC when likes of Super, EMP, myself and few others have critiqued and archived it over the years. Fuck off.


    You're 48 Roger , on here, talking to yourself.

    AND, you're French.

    It's difficult to imagine life being much worse than that.

    You live in Liverpool.
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    Post by messiah Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:29 pm

    OMG I didn't realize he was 48, I apologize for my rude comments, Let me go slower and break it down for you.

    Their is a tendency in football, to overlook the natural football abilities of African players in favor of their physical attributes. this cannot be argued against

    This in turn has lead to many African players being using in positions where it is believed you need certain physical attributes over what is their "natural" position.

    I simply example is eto'o at inter, where he was played on wings, because he clearly has the lung power to play this position, at a point where he was the best striker in the game.

    I am not saying jose was wrong to do this, because it clearly helped his team win, but you don't see him asking ronaldo to do this type of work.

    I hope this helps you.
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    Post by messiah Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:31 pm

    No i blame it on pep for playing players like Yaya and keita in defensive midfield position, though in keita's case, it was a matter of him, having a huge man crush on him and wanted figure out a way to get him playing time.

    ps Mikel is as slow as fuck, all his attributes to play in the CM/AM role was down to his footballing abilities and nothing else, i didn't see him pushing anyone off the ball then blazing past them.

    it was all technique and football IQ
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    Post by Super Progress Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:36 pm

    Mikel never played Am for Nigeria even during that tournament although I can't remember him playing in Norway at all. But he was more of a typical Cm when he played for Nigeria and while it is true he had more responsibility going forward it also had a fair bit to do with Nigeria not having offensive midfielders and like Fade said he has rarely if ever showed that he deserves to play higher up. Sometimes players just evolve differently when they reach a higher level. The bias as I see it is not that Africans are used in the wrong place but that European clubs look for Mikel types in Africa which means that African clubs/players will try to meet that demand. But Africa in general is simply not creating creative players anymore.
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    Post by Fade out Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:42 pm

    Eto'o was played in wings to accommodate Milito. He was made to work hard because that's Maureen's system. Even for Porto, I'm pretty sure white players worked just as hard as Benny Mccarthy. Ditto Drogba for Chelsea. Drogba played wide too for days when Jose tried his hand at various white strikers he bought, but that's because he could do that job not because he is black. For Real, even Benzema is made to work hard. Even Polaroid works a lot defensively from wide areas. It's not just to do with color/race, I feel. It depends on attributes.

    Yes, African players have vision and skill too. But a real high quality AM player who were undersold need to be specified. Just don't make it sound like a cruel world.

    Mikel didn't progress as AM. Don't just say it was due to Chelsea, DPL, or African bias.

    Joe Cole didn't play centrally either for England and Chelsea, and he was the best playmaker around. Due to his size frame. Vikash Dhorasoo didn't shine either despite being a tremendous footballer, there was a physical judgment being cast on his capabilities as a CM. Not a racial judgment.

    My two cents. Keep the change.


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    Post by messiah Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:44 pm

    While its true players develop differently as they get older, Thiago is a perfect example, he was never given the chance to play in the CM role at chelsea, the moment he when their is was put in the DM role, so one will never know how well he could play there
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    Post by messiah Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:45 pm

    Fade out wrote:Eto'o was played in wings to accommodate Milito. He was made to work hard because that's Maureen's system. Even for Porto, I'm pretty sure white players worked just as hard as Benny Mccarthy. Ditto Drogba for Chelsea. Drogba played wide too for days when Jose tried his hand at various white strikers he bought, but that's because he could do that job not because he is black. For Real, even Benzema is made to work hard. Even Polaroid works a lot defensively from wide areas. It's not just to do with color/race, I feel. It depends on attributes.

    Yes, African players have vision and skill too. But a real high quality AM player who were undersold need to be specified. Just don't make it sound like a cruel world.

    Mikel didn't progress as AM. Don't just say it was due to Chelsea, DPL, or African bias.

    Joe Cole didn't play centrally either for England and Chelsea, and he was the best playmaker around. Due to his size frame. Vikash Dhorasoo didn't shine either despite being a tremendous footballer, there was a physical judgment being cast on his capabilities as a CM. Not a racial judgment.

    My two cents. Keep the change.

    Its not a black and white thing, I said african, I am sure if a black CM/AM came out of south american, he would be played in that position.

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    Post by Isco Benny Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:45 pm

    This thread has gone batshit mental Laughing



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    Post by Fade out Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:47 pm

    As for Mikel lacking pace today, it proves my point.

    Vividly remember and know for a fact that the under-20 tourney his trademark AM play was to push the ball with pace to get away from his marker..
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    Post by ERIK LAMELA Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:47 pm

    Join the Euroboard they told me. There's some good intellectual football discussion they told me.

    "Look in the mirror tit wank, YOU'RE THE FUCKING IDIOT."

    "My fucking 8 year old nephew has a more comprehensive knowledge of the game than you."

    "PES stats prove 'x' is superior to 'y'."
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    Post by messiah Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:47 pm

    Disco Benny wrote:This thread has gone batshit mental Laughing




    Isn't that how all trends on the euroboard go
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    Post by Isco Benny Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:48 pm

    Fey wrote:Jordy Clasie! Depressing to see what Holland send to the Ukraine while this man stays at home. Can use both feet, great tackle, amazing vision, great shot, has the ability to read a game and think for other team members. A relief to the thirteen in a dozen box-to-box midfielders.

    Ricky van Wolfswinkel AkA THE BODY: A disgrace de Jong and even Huntelaar are ahead of him. This guy has so much potential. And has most likely the best football body in the bizz! I noticed that already when he was still a goofy teen! Besides he is fucking eye candy in general!

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    Post by Fade out Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:49 pm

    van Gaal for Spurs wrote:Join the Euroboard they told me. There's some good intellectual football discussion they told me.

    "Look in the mirror tit wank, YOU'RE THE FUCKING IDIOT."

    "My fucking 8 year old nephew has a more comprehensive knowledge of the game than you."

    "PES stats prove 'x' is superior to 'y'."

    None from me. Basketball

    I was on the receiving end. FG couldn't do better than Froggie twat as a racial insult. Laughing

    I tell you what, I missed Bernd. He's been avoiding me. Very Happy

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    Post by Isco Benny Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:00 pm

    Looked like you had your hands tied Fadey. Commendable sparring with FG by the way, gave back as good as you got Laughing

    Cant say I always agree with you, but your points are always interesting and far less obnoxious and dismissive than senor Worms Ale
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    Post by Deluded F*ck™ Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:19 pm

    van Gaal for Spurs wrote:Join the Euroboard they told me. There's some good intellectual football discussion they told me.

    "Look in the mirror tit wank, YOU'RE THE FUCKING IDIOT."

    "My fucking 8 year old nephew has a more comprehensive knowledge of the game than you."

    "PES stats prove 'x' is superior to 'y'."

    All before Worms turned up...
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    Post by worms. Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:46 pm

    Football Genius wrote:Did that fucking toe cheese, use a fucking game to highlight his point about real footballers abilities.

    Somebody shoot the c**t.

    I have already explained it on here before,I post there and I can tell you these guys know there stuff.Half of them don't even play there game,they are master stat makers who makes 'sets' for each play not to necessarily play with him in the game but it also helps to compare players and for to scout players and learn their strengths and weaknesses.
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    Post by worms. Sun Jun 17, 2012 8:54 pm

    messiah wrote:Mikel is underrated, the little things he does during the course of a game, tends to go on noticed by watchers of the game, my self included at times, but he covers the defense well when on form and keeps the game ticking over.

    If it weren't for this kind of stereotypical African midfielders syndrome, he would probably be playing more of a CM/AM position, because i don't think their is many if any who saw him coming up at a young player, would ever have guessed he would be playing a defensive midfield position.

    Their was a big debate in nigeria a few years back, about how he has kind of lost his way a chelsea, saying he needs to be able to switch position and thus mentality when he plays for the national team, which is something much easier said than done

    Van Bommel is underrated as well, he is seen as a destroyer, but their is much more to his game than that

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    Post by S4P Sun Jun 17, 2012 9:54 pm

    messiah wrote:No i blame it on pep for playing players like Yaya and keita in defensive midfield position, though in keita's case, it was a matter of him, having a huge man crush on him and wanted figure out a way to get him playing time.

    ps Mikel is as slow as fuck, all his attributes to play in the CM/AM role was down to his footballing abilities and nothing else, i didn't see him pushing anyone off the ball then blazing past them.

    it was all technique and football IQ

    What abilities?

    Being able to play exquisite through balls

    Good shot technique

    It's hard to think of reasons why Mikel should play any higher up the pitch than he does.

    As for using the U20 World Cup as an example of why a player should be able to produce at senior level Rolling Eyes You might recall that Drenthe once looked very good in the U21 Euro Championships, prompting Real Madrid to jump on the bandwagon and sign him. Players who perform well in certain positions at U20/U21 level don't always perform as well in those roles at senior level. Mikel is a classic example.
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    Post by The Easter Bunny Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:27 am

    Disco Benny wrote:This thread has gone batshit mental Laughing




    ok

    Mikel played as an AM when he was younger, but he never developed (some say he was a lazy trainer) he would not be able to play as a CM or AM in the Premiership but his current DM role suits him.

    Cabaye as good as Modric confused We'll see how well he performs next season, Modric plays in a better team so he will obviously look like the better player but Cabaye outshone him this season, and was easily one of the most instrumental players in the Prem last season. However the dreaded SSS and the lack of proper rest might affect his ability to play as many games at such a high intensity for Newcastle which will obviously attribute to a drop in form. Also if Tiote goes and Newcastle fail to sign a similar player who can cover as much ground and pass as accurately then Cabaye again will suffer as he will have to work harder off the ball.

    Joe Cole Laughing While he was a very good player, he was not 'great' otherwise Mourinho would have built Chelsea around him instead of reshaping him into what he is now. I remember going to watch West Ham with one of my friends family when I was younger and Cole was just the biggest crowd pleaser, when I was younger I thought he was the best player as he would easily go past 2-3 players with ease but then would not play the final pass, but typical english mentality wow he beat 3 players and the whole crowd applaud. Now when I look back to it, he had the technical ability but obviously lacks certain mental attributes which might have manifested at Chelsea and might be a reason for his sharp decline. Also if you look at Cole's stats they are not that impressive considering the ability he had/has, hopefully Rodgers gives him a chance and he can play well with a proactive footballing manager.

    Ribery- Is Ribery overrated? This depends on when the question is asked, the media hype Ribery up to the levels of Ronaldo and Messi, but he simply is not at the level. He is a very good player and I think his ability to hold onto the ball(under pressure) and create are his greatest strengths. Since Bayern have goal scorers like Gomez and Robben I think people expect Ribery to score an equal amount, but usually the creators are put behind the goal scorers by the media and fans. I believe Ribery has over 50 odd assists in the last 2 seasons, a truly incredible amount. But apart from the Champions League the only other time a lot of people see him play is during the International season where Ribery has been quite poor, 60 games 10 goals and 10 assists? Something along those lines, if he reciprocated his club form for his country in the form of assists I believe more people would stop saying he is overrated.

    Samaras is a donkey, while I haven't watched Celtic play for a few months whenever I watched him play he wasn't that impressive. If you can't dominate in the SPL well, it tells you about the quality of the player look at Kris Boyd ffs. Samaras has a good touch, but if he was such a great player he would not of failed in the Premiership and would be dominating the SPL in terms of assists, pass competition etc
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    come to mind, have won so much, yet the get no respect

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