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messiah wrote:Everyone has bad games no need to over emphasize it, no one has played well in important games this season except for the Milan return leg and that was just messi and iniesta.
So it points to a more deep rooted problem

messiah wrote:If its even true, its their for all to see, can't be the players xavi and iniesta plays well for Spain when called up, so does pique who looks crap when playing under tito, their is nothing to suggested the players have all of a sudden gotten average or worst.

But their are things to suggest the players lack motivation and direction this is the sphere of management.

EMP wrote:

messiah wrote:If its even true, its their for all to see, can't be the players xavi and iniesta plays well for Spain when called up, so does pique who looks crap when playing under tito, their is nothing to suggested the players have all of a sudden gotten average or worst.

But their are things to suggest the players lack motivation and direction this is the sphere of management.

Okay, I haven't seen enough of Barca to judge, but before Tito's enforced break for health reasons were Barca playing this badly?

The Bald Prince wrote:10% is just a fucking idiot to be fair and should just be ignored in the future when he discusses Barcelona players. He claims Xavi and Iniesta only look good because of Messi yet can't explain why they have been the best players in a team that has won 2 Euros and 1 WC without Messi. He compares Sergio Busquets to Gary Neville, which is just the most nonsensical and strangest comparison ever.

He really does have no shame.

EMP wrote:

messiah wrote:If its even true, its their for all to see, can't be the players xavi and iniesta plays well for Spain when called up, so does pique who looks crap when playing under tito, their is nothing to suggested the players have all of a sudden gotten average or worst.

But their are things to suggest the players lack motivation and direction this is the sphere of management.

Okay, I haven't seen enough of Barca to judge, but before Tito's enforced break for health reasons were Barca playing this badly?

Jaime wrote:

EMP wrote:

messiah wrote:If its even true, its their for all to see, can't be the players xavi and iniesta plays well for Spain when called up, so does pique who looks crap when playing under tito, their is nothing to suggested the players have all of a sudden gotten average or worst.

But their are things to suggest the players lack motivation and direction this is the sphere of management.

Okay, I haven't seen enough of Barca to judge, but before Tito's enforced break for health reasons were Barca playing this badly?

Of course they were we were pwning them from the beginning of the season in the super copa.

EMP wrote:

Jaime wrote:

EMP wrote:

messiah wrote:If its even true, its their for all to see, can't be the players xavi and iniesta plays well for Spain when called up, so does pique who looks crap when playing under tito, their is nothing to suggested the players have all of a sudden gotten average or worst.

But their are things to suggest the players lack motivation and direction this is the sphere of management.

Okay, I haven't seen enough of Barca to judge, but before Tito's enforced break for health reasons were Barca playing this badly?

Of course they were we were pwning them from the beginning of the season in the super copa.

Hush up Jaime, you know full well that you were the instruments of the Curse on Barca this season for their treatment of David Villa and the humiliation tonight was retribution for them nicking two talented youngsters from Valencia's academy this season. Like we were going to forgive that! Your task, Jaime is to end that abominable Axis of Evil with Super Mourinho. His back remains disgracefully unpunctured!

messiah wrote:

110% wrote:

messiah wrote:I knew we were going to lose the tie but fucking hell fucking hell Tito a coach cannot be this bad,

fucking hell blame the fucking players, fucking xavi and fucking iniesta did nothing over the 2 legs and you keep telling us shit like one is the greatest midfielder ever and the one is nearly as good as zidane

I really don't have the time for you ad your fuckimg stupidity

Iniesta has only one 1,cl,world and two euro championship without mess
Xavi 2 euros and the wc.

Sit down I have been saying from December this Tito crap wouldn't work

Fey wrote:Another record for Barcelona, never in the history of the CL has there been such a onesided score in the semi-final! Lose with 7-0, blame the guy with cancer, mes que un club

Jaime wrote:

Fey wrote:Another record for Barcelona, never in the history of the CL has there been such a onesided score in the semi-final! Lose with 7-0, blame the guy with cancer, mes que un club

Calidad wrote:What an incredibly tepid display. Let's be honest, it's been coming. Pep in his last season tried to find ways to 'maximise' Messi, Tito has advanced this. Unfortunately, although not unsurprisingly it's been to the detriment of the rest of the team. No one seems to try and take any responsibility anymore.

I'm not convinced by Tito. He has mismanaged the youth, and has looked tactically limited (I don't like using the word inept) on several occassions. The pressing has gone. There is no 'b' plan. And it's horribly embarrassing that a so called top class manager has persisted with playing CM's + FB's in the centre of defence.

Pedro is finished. I never thought he was good enough to be a regular first team, he only further confirms that everytime he goes onto the pitch. It's actually painful to watch him at times. As a wide player, he doesn't beat his man, his passing is weak, and he now offers little goal threat. What is the point of him at the moment? Needs to be moved or benched, and used purely for backup. Sanchez is much the same. I'm surprised he hasn't settled, because I thought he would be a good buy for Barcelona. It may be worthwhile persisting with him for another season, but if a good offer is made for him, get rid. I love Villa, but he's been mismanaged and his confidence and happiness isn't there.

Midfield is fine, although Thiago needs to replace Xavi. Cesc is a quandry. He looks clueless on the pitch. Mascherano should go.

Defence? Puyol is a crock and should retire. Keep Abidal if he's able to play. Pique needs bench time. As does Alves.

There is a lot of talent in the squad, but it's seriously lacking in balance. Too few defensive minded players, and Pique aside all the defenders get pushed about. Vertonghen should have been brought in last season. As for options now, I really don't know. Silva/Hummels I don't think will go anywhere. Who is there? I do quite like Ignicio Martinez, but is the role too big for him? I actually also like Luiz despite his flaws. I'm struggling afrer that.

Really don't know about the forward line. Do Barca go for a CF or a WF? Or both? A CF would probably actually benefit Messi and the rest of the team, however for that to happen, Messi would need to play behind the striker, and Barca would need to move to a 4-2-3-1 type formation.

messiah wrote:

Calidad wrote:What an incredibly tepid display. Let's be honest, it's been coming. Pep in his last season tried to find ways to 'maximise' Messi, Tito has advanced this. Unfortunately, although not unsurprisingly it's been to the detriment of the rest of the team. No one seems to try and take any responsibility anymore.

I'm not convinced by Tito. He has mismanaged the youth, and has looked tactically limited (I don't like using the word inept) on several occassions. The pressing has gone. There is no 'b' plan. And it's horribly embarrassing that a so called top class manager has persisted with playing CM's + FB's in the centre of defence.

Pedro is finished. I never thought he was good enough to be a regular first team, he only further confirms that everytime he goes onto the pitch. It's actually painful to watch him at times. As a wide player, he doesn't beat his man, his passing is weak, and he now offers little goal threat. What is the point of him at the moment? Needs to be moved or benched, and used purely for backup. Sanchez is much the same. I'm surprised he hasn't settled, because I thought he would be a good buy for Barcelona. It may be worthwhile persisting with him for another season, but if a good offer is made for him, get rid. I love Villa, but he's been mismanaged and his confidence and happiness isn't there.

Midfield is fine, although Thiago needs to replace Xavi. Cesc is a quandry. He looks clueless on the pitch. Mascherano should go.

Defence? Puyol is a crock and should retire. Keep Abidal if he's able to play. Pique needs bench time. As does Alves.

There is a lot of talent in the squad, but it's seriously lacking in balance. Too few defensive minded players, and Pique aside all the defenders get pushed about. Vertonghen should have been brought in last season. As for options now, I really don't know. Silva/Hummels I don't think will go anywhere. Who is there? I do quite like Ignicio Martinez, but is the role too big for him? I actually also like Luiz despite his flaws. I'm struggling afrer that.

Really don't know about the forward line. Do Barca go for a CF or a WF? Or both? A CF would probably actually benefit Messi and the rest of the team, however for that to happen, Messi would need to play behind the striker, and Barca would need to move to a 4-2-3-1 type formation.

Pedro has looked very good for Spain, s that is worth taking into consideration

messiah wrote:

Jaime wrote:

Fey wrote:Another record for Barcelona, never in the history of the CL has there been such a onesided score in the semi-final! Lose with 7-0, blame the guy with cancer, mes que un club

110% wrote:

messiah wrote:

110% wrote:

messiah wrote:I knew we were going to lose the tie but fucking hell fucking hell Tito a coach cannot be this bad,

fucking hell blame the fucking players, fucking xavi and fucking iniesta did nothing over the 2 legs and you keep telling us shit like one is the greatest midfielder ever and the one is nearly as good as zidane

I really don't have the time for you ad your fuckimg stupidity

Iniesta has only one 1,cl,world and two euro championship without mess
Xavi 2 euros and the wc.

Sit down I have been saying from December this Tito crap wouldn't work

Using the trophy argument so you can't say anything about their performances because I am right?

Villa has trophies as well, but we can criticise him for not playing well, why can't we do the same for xavi and iniesta? You seem to forget that Spain are considered boring most of the time as they hardly create chances. They win games and tournaments and that's great, but then you shouldn't be criticising Chelsea for how they won the CL. Spain's last 2 games, 80% possession against Finland but only 4 shots on target, 70% possession against France and 3 shots on target. Yes they won and probably will do well in Brasil as well, it doesn't stop me pointing out the obvious and say these guys are great at contributing towards keeping possession but don't really create very much or score goals. In any case possession is a team concept and when either is missing barca and spain still keep 70% possession, hence proving it is not specifically these players doing it but the team style.

I am old-fashioned in that I expect my midfielders to create and score goals, not only keep possession, and especially not be such pussies just because one of their team-mates is out injured. Messi gets criticised for missing a penalty against chelsea, or for not scoring enough goals away from home last season etc, but fucking hell xavi and iniesta were also there weren't they? If they are to be considered the greatest such and such then why are they so fucking invisible when things are against them?

BTW Using your own retarded argument you shouldn't really criticise Tito too much, he's got medals you know

messiah wrote:Don't know why you are replying to 110, they have put in more than enough individual performances in their career, we are talking about iniesta here. Iniesta

Its just the first time in a long time that he can say oh they didn't do well

Did zidane win every major SF or final he played in or performed in everyone.

Cl final against Durtmund comes to mind.

Jaime wrote:

messiah wrote:Don't know why you are replying to 110, they have put in more than enough individual performances in their career, we are talking about iniesta here. Iniesta

Its just the first time in a long time that he can say oh they didn't do well

Did zidane win every major SF or final he played in or performed in everyone.

Cl final against Durtmund comes to mind.

Did Iniesta

win every major SF he played in? Or did I just imagine a 7-0 for Bayern?

blutgraetsche wrote:Well Pep isn't available (for now?). Who else?