Real Madrid CF 2012/13

Who's to say both Ozil and Isco won't be starters? Doesn't the fact you want to sell Di Maria indicate you are moving towards a more narrow system ? Something Anchelotti is known for?

Why wouldn't this work?

Cavarjl-----Varane---------Ramos-----Marcelo

--------New DM------------Modric

-----Ozil-------------------------Isco

--------Benzema-------------Ronaldo

A 4 - 2 - 2 - 2 system that Anchelotti has used at times this season for PSG.

There is no reason that can't work, but you would need a new DM/CM to play alongside Modric like Vidal or Pogba. Alonso can rotate with Modric. If you have the money you could replace Benzema with Cavani.

I don't know that selling Di Maria necessarily means that we are moving to a narrower system...it probably just means that Florentino wants to buy Bale or fund the Cavani transfer. But, I don't think a scenario like you mention is impossible.

Minutes played this season:

Ozil - 3458

Benz - 2835

Yet Benzema has more assists. Half of Ozils assists are probably from corners as well. I thought Ozil was meant to be the play-maker in the team? He's too inconsistent, hides in the big games, not good enough for Real Madrid.

Balack was Coward wrote:Minutes played this season:

Ozil - 3458

Benz - 2835

Yet Benzema has more assists. Half of Ozils assists are probably from corners as well. I thought Ozil was meant to be the play-maker in the team? He's too inconsistent, hides in the big games, not good enough for Real Madrid.

I thought stats didn't prove anything??????? except PES stats of course!

No kaka = no go

Just seen we are finally getting paid 6m euro by Getafe for Pedro Leon!

Ozil is a play-maker (well he's supposed to be) so he should have more assists. It's a myth that he's creative, he does the odd decent pass against shit teams but not enough for me.

Balack was Coward wrote:Minutes played this season:

Ozil - 3458

Benz - 2835

Yet Benzema has more assists. Half of Ozils assists are probably from corners as well. I thought Ozil was meant to be the play-maker in the team? He's too inconsistent, hides in the big games, not good enough for Real Madrid.

özil needs a proper gameplan, i think this guy can much more, would he play for bayern or bvb (they have a world class gameplan and organisation) then he would be more consistent

Pellegrini is a fantastic coach, this guy knows how to play football, the best from özil is yet to come, HIS POTENTIAL IS UNLIMITED, he just needs a football team around him, not a team of facking one dimensional runners

Balack was Coward wrote:Ozil is a play-maker (well he's supposed to be) so he should have more assists. It's a myth that he's creative, he does the odd decent pass against shit teams but not enough for me.

what about last season, he was by a distance the best midfielder in the league

and in this CL season he was the best player against dortmund (group stage) and was out of his position in the semi final

From la liga thread:

Balack was Coward wrote:Well I don't judge players solely on assists and goals anyway

Kroos wrote:

Balack was Coward wrote:Ozil is a play-maker (well he's supposed to be) so he should have more assists. It's a myth that he's creative, he does the odd decent pass against shit teams but not enough for me.

what about last season, he was by a distance the best midfielder in the league

and in this CL season he was the best player against dortmund (group stage) and was out of his position in the semi final

He really weren't. He was better than this season, he had a couple of brilliant games ( one at the Nou Camp) but too inconsistent to say he had a great season.

Oil and isco will probably have the same ceiling, but I also get the feeling that Cisco has more balls, he puts himself out there whenever his teams need that extra bit.

Ozil not so much

Jaime wrote:From la liga thread:

Balack was Coward wrote:Well I don't judge players solely on assists and goals anyway

Where did I say I was judging him solely on his assist record? I watch most Madrid games and that stat is just more fuel for my argument that Ozil hasn't been good enough for Madrid.

messiah wrote:Oil and isco will probably have the same ceiling, but I also get the feeling that Cisco has more balls, he puts himself out there whenever his teams need that extra bit.

Ozil not so much

Remember, Ozil is 3.5 years older than Isco.

Balack was Coward wrote:

Jaime wrote:From la liga thread:

Balack was Coward wrote:Well I don't judge players solely on assists and goals anyway

Where did I say I was judging him solely on his assist record? I watch most Madrid games and that stat is just more fuel for my argument that Ozil hasn't been good enough for Madrid.

baised on this season, then only ronaldo would be good enough for madrid

alonso was not good enough (even khedira played a better season)

di maria was not good enough

and this list goes on

Kroos wrote:

Balack was Coward wrote:

Jaime wrote:From la liga thread:

Balack was Coward wrote:Well I don't judge players solely on assists and goals anyway

Where did I say I was judging him solely on his assist record? I watch most Madrid games and that stat is just more fuel for my argument that Ozil hasn't been good enough for Madrid.

baised on this season, then only ronaldo would be good enough for madrid

alonso was not good enough (even khedira played a better season)

di maria was not good enough

and this list goes on

But this is exactly true. That is why we lost the league in December, got pwned by Dortmund, and lost too Atletico for the first time since 1999 ffs!!!!

I have never disputed Ozil's potential but only his inconsistency. His bottom level is really low but his top level is likewise quite high. So far he has played quite poorly in 1/2 of every season or so. His big problem is maturing as a player but he is already 24 so we can't wait for that to happen much longer. Isco is on a level below imo and he will be high price and will expect to play as a starter. If we got him we would have to get rid of Callejon because he would have to be the first sub for Ozil/Di Maria which is a shame because Callejon adds an important element in our game. Perhaps if he could trained to pick some games as a Cm as well it could make sense.

Borja Valero makes so much more sense. He is more mature than Ozil and versatile plus he is capable of playing the sort of defence splitting passes that we haven't had since Guti left and which Ozil only occasionally provides for us. Not to mention he would be much cheaper. In that comparison Isco seems like me-too transfer.

If people are claiming Isco is better than Ozil based on stats then how about looking at actual stats rather than opinions converted to numbers (aka PES stats):
Ozil: goals-10, assists-14
Isco: goals-11, assists-4

Are those stats for just the league or all competitions?

Ozil plays for a much better and much much more attacking team and as I have already said, half of them assists will be from corners (Ronaldo).

Ronaldo is a much better goalscorer than anybody in Malagas team, Santa Cruz and Saviola barely score. I would be interested to see how many goals Real Madrid have scored compared to Malaga this season, I bet you it isn't close.

110% wrote:If people are claiming Isco is better than Ozil based on stats then how about looking at actual stats rather than opinions converted to numbers (aka PES stats):
Ozil: goals-10, assists-14
Isco: goals-11, assists-4

But in Champions...

Ozil: goals-1, assists-5
Isco: goals-3, assists-4

So there the difference is not so pronounced in terms of assists and in the best competition.

I think like Super has mentioned on numerous occassions it's not that Ozil never does anything right. In fact when he is good he is just about the best player in the league. If you compare him with Iniesta he has all of the same skill and technique but even more strength and pace and he has a lot more goals in him. He has all the tools to literally be one of the best AMs in the world. But he is just so inconsistent. And it is not unusual that when we really need a big performance from him, he is largely absent. Isco on the other hand, he plays against Real Madrid or Barcelona or in the CL 1/4 finals and he has big performances. That is my attraction to Isco personally.

In 2009 iniesta had 3-5 assist, in 2011 5-7, two of his and the teams best year.

Assist don't really mean much in the grand scheme of things, the thing with ozil is that he struggles when the game slow down and teams sit back.

In games like these iniesta breaks the game directly (goal/assist) or indirectly (takes two defenders out of position with his dribbling and make a key pass, thats what I hear them calling it these days).

Ozil/cesc who at their best can get you 15+ and 10 plus goals, struggle in that department.

Jaime wrote:

110% wrote:If people are claiming Isco is better than Ozil based on stats then how about looking at actual stats rather than opinions converted to numbers (aka PES stats):
Ozil: goals-10, assists-14
Isco: goals-11, assists-4

But in Champions...

Ozil: goals-1, assists-5
Isco: goals-3, assists-4

So there the difference is not so pronounced in terms of assists and in the best competition.

I think like Super has mentioned on numerous occassions it's not that Ozil never does anything right. In fact when he is good he is just about the best player in the league. If you compare him with Iniesta he has all of the same skill and technique but even more strength and pace and he has a lot more goals in him. He has all the tools to literally be one of the best AMs in the world. But he is just so inconsistent. And it is not unusual that when we really need a big performance from him, he is largely absent. Isco on the other hand, he plays against Real Madrid or Barcelona or in the CL 1/4 finals and he has big performances. That is my attraction to Isco personally.

He has no where near the same skill and technique, he is great in both department though.

Jaime wrote:

110% wrote:If people are claiming Isco is better than Ozil based on stats then how about looking at actual stats rather than opinions converted to numbers (aka PES stats):
Ozil: goals-10, assists-14
Isco: goals-11, assists-4

But in Champions...

Ozil: goals-1, assists-5
Isco: goals-3, assists-4

So there the difference is not so pronounced in terms of assists and in the best competition.

messiah wrote:

Jaime wrote:

110% wrote:If people are claiming Isco is better than Ozil based on stats then how about looking at actual stats rather than opinions converted to numbers (aka PES stats):
Ozil: goals-10, assists-14
Isco: goals-11, assists-4

But in Champions...

Ozil: goals-1, assists-5
Isco: goals-3, assists-4

So there the difference is not so pronounced in terms of assists and in the best competition.

I think like Super has mentioned on numerous occassions it's not that Ozil never does anything right. In fact when he is good he is just about the best player in the league. If you compare him with Iniesta he has all of the same skill and technique but even more strength and pace and he has a lot more goals in him. He has all the tools to literally be one of the best AMs in the world. But he is just so inconsistent. And it is not unusual that when we really need a big performance from him, he is largely absent. Isco on the other hand, he plays against Real Madrid or Barcelona or in the CL 1/4 finals and he has big performances. That is my attraction to Isco personally.

He has no where near the same skill and technique, he is great in both department though.

#indenial

Jaime wrote:

messiah wrote:

Jaime wrote:

110% wrote:If people are claiming Isco is better than Ozil based on stats then how about looking at actual stats rather than opinions converted to numbers (aka PES stats):
Ozil: goals-10, assists-14
Isco: goals-11, assists-4

But in Champions...

Ozil: goals-1, assists-5
Isco: goals-3, assists-4

So there the difference is not so pronounced in terms of assists and in the best competition.

I think like Super has mentioned on numerous occassions it's not that Ozil never does anything right. In fact when he is good he is just about the best player in the league. If you compare him with Iniesta he has all of the same skill and technique but even more strength and pace and he has a lot more goals in him. He has all the tools to literally be one of the best AMs in the world. But he is just so inconsistent. And it is not unusual that when we really need a big performance from him, he is largely absent. Isco on the other hand, he plays against Real Madrid or Barcelona or in the CL 1/4 finals and he has big performances. That is my attraction to Isco personally.

He has no where near the same skill and technique, he is great in both department though.

#indenial

ozil needs 100 meters of space to show his great technique

messiah wrote:

Jaime wrote:

messiah wrote:

Jaime wrote:

110% wrote:If people are claiming Isco is better than Ozil based on stats then how about looking at actual stats rather than opinions converted to numbers (aka PES stats):
Ozil: goals-10, assists-14
Isco: goals-11, assists-4

But in Champions...

Ozil: goals-1, assists-5
Isco: goals-3, assists-4

So there the difference is not so pronounced in terms of assists and in the best competition.

I think like Super has mentioned on numerous occassions it's not that Ozil never does anything right. In fact when he is good he is just about the best player in the league. If you compare him with Iniesta he has all of the same skill and technique but even more strength and pace and he has a lot more goals in him. He has all the tools to literally be one of the best AMs in the world. But he is just so inconsistent. And it is not unusual that when we really need a big performance from him, he is largely absent. Isco on the other hand, he plays against Real Madrid or Barcelona or in the CL 1/4 finals and he has big performances. That is my attraction to Isco personally.

He has no where near the same skill and technique, he is great in both department though.

#indenial

ozil needs 100 meters of space to show his great technique

Surely you are confusing Ozil with Khedira!

messiah wrote:

Jaime wrote:

110% wrote:If people are claiming Isco is better than Ozil based on stats then how about looking at actual stats rather than opinions converted to numbers (aka PES stats):
Ozil: goals-10, assists-14
Isco: goals-11, assists-4

But in Champions...

Ozil: goals-1, assists-5
Isco: goals-3, assists-4

So there the difference is not so pronounced in terms of assists and in the best competition.

I think like Super has mentioned on numerous occassions it's not that Ozil never does anything right. In fact when he is good he is just about the best player in the league. If you compare him with Iniesta he has all of the same skill and technique but even more strength and pace and he has a lot more goals in him. He has all the tools to literally be one of the best AMs in the world. But he is just so inconsistent. And it is not unusual that when we really need a big performance from him, he is largely absent. Isco on the other hand, he plays against Real Madrid or Barcelona or in the CL 1/4 finals and he has big performances. That is my attraction to Isco personally.

He has no where near the same skill and technique, he is great in both department though.

stop overrating iniesta, yeah he made some match winning goals in the CL or the World cup, but thats not a given, he is a big game player, at least until the bayern games

iniesta just knew where to pass, because everything barca did at there peak was trained, while madrid is just a counter team, they don`t put in much effort into the midfield game or organisatin in general

Kroos wrote:

messiah wrote:

Jaime wrote:

110% wrote:If people are claiming Isco is better than Ozil based on stats then how about looking at actual stats rather than opinions converted to numbers (aka PES stats):
Ozil: goals-10, assists-14
Isco: goals-11, assists-4

But in Champions...

Ozil: goals-1, assists-5
Isco: goals-3, assists-4

So there the difference is not so pronounced in terms of assists and in the best competition.

I think like Super has mentioned on numerous occassions it's not that Ozil never does anything right. In fact when he is good he is just about the best player in the league. If you compare him with Iniesta he has all of the same skill and technique but even more strength and pace and he has a lot more goals in him. He has all the tools to literally be one of the best AMs in the world. But he is just so inconsistent. And it is not unusual that when we really need a big performance from him, he is largely absent. Isco on the other hand, he plays against Real Madrid or Barcelona or in the CL 1/4 finals and he has big performances. That is my attraction to Isco personally.

He has no where near the same skill and technique, he is great in both department though.

stop overrating iniesta, yeah he made some match winning goals in the CL or the World cup, but thats not a given, he is a big game player, at least until the bayern games

iniesta just knew where to pass, because everything barca did at there peak was trained, while madrid is just a counter team, they don`t put in much effort into the midfield game or organisatin in general

Kroos wrote:

messiah wrote:

Jaime wrote:

110% wrote:If people are claiming Isco is better than Ozil based on stats then how about looking at actual stats rather than opinions converted to numbers (aka PES stats):
Ozil: goals-10, assists-14
Isco: goals-11, assists-4

But in Champions...

Ozil: goals-1, assists-5
Isco: goals-3, assists-4

So there the difference is not so pronounced in terms of assists and in the best competition.

I think like Super has mentioned on numerous occassions it's not that Ozil never does anything right. In fact when he is good he is just about the best player in the league. If you compare him with Iniesta he has all of the same skill and technique but even more strength and pace and he has a lot more goals in him. He has all the tools to literally be one of the best AMs in the world. But he is just so inconsistent. And it is not unusual that when we really need a big performance from him, he is largely absent. Isco on the other hand, he plays against Real Madrid or Barcelona or in the CL 1/4 finals and he has big performances. That is my attraction to Isco personally.

He has no where near the same skill and technique, he is great in both department though.

stop overrating iniesta, yeah he made some match winning goals in the CL or the World cup, but thats not a given, he is a big game player, at least until the bayern games

iniesta just knew where to pass, because everything barca did at there peak was trained, madrid is just a counter team, they don`t put in much effort into the midfield game or organisatin in general

Don't know what your trying to get at in those two bits, I know you are happy Bayern did what they did, buts its two games.

How many times have the Spanish players pawn the Germany over the pass couple of years again?

And what's this it was trained, isn't what Bayern did as a result of training or Brazil are any other team for that matter.

i used to believe the big hype for more then 5 years, he is a very good player, who benefited huge from the barca perfection, but he is not a player who can carry a team on his own