Real Madrid CF 2013/14

Look, there was no loan to pay this transfer. Like TM says, in the first place, it is being paid in installments. And in the second place, we've just sold Pedro Leon, Raul Albiol, Gonzalo Higuain, and Jose Callejon for about 65m and if we find a place for Coentrao and Kaka yet that will get the club pretty close to the 90m agree to pay for Bale.

I don't really understand Blut's vitriol regarding the transfer. For someone who allegedly does not care, they are pretty strong statements. Of course in the grand scheme it is nauseating to think of football clubs(not just Real Madrid) spending this kind of money on any player. But we don't see you trolling the Barcelona thread taking up the plight of the Spanish youth when they pay 60m for Neymar.

Jaime wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Kaka to Milan seems very close. I know he has struggled at Real Madrid, but has he shown anything that may suggest that he can offset his diminishing pace by other qualities? I remember he was pretty decent a few months ago.

I think Kaka really suffered because of Jose's insistence of playing 100 mph on the counter at every opportunity and as you say his pace has completely deserted him. He tried to run past defenders and it just didn't work. I think in this preseason with Ancelotti's emphasis on keeping the ball, Kaka showed that if he plays one and two touch passes and doesn't try to hold the ball too long that he can still be effective and he can still finish if he can find the time and space to really line up his shot but the club had already moved on and brought in Modric last year and Isco this year (plus Ozil). The one thing that was really infuriating, even under Jose, is that Kaka did not work for the team at all. He would lose the ball and then just shrug and trot back. Or complain to the official whilst the play continued in the other direction. I don't remember if he was different in Milan but it is a big problem that he has had since coming to Madrid at least. So I guess it depends on who will play around him in Milan and what he will be asked to do.

Thanks Jaime.

Kaka is a Milan player. Medical tomorrow.

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:

Jaime wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Kaka to Milan seems very close. I know he has struggled at Real Madrid, but has he shown anything that may suggest that he can offset his diminishing pace by other qualities? I remember he was pretty decent a few months ago.

I think Kaka really suffered because of Jose's insistence of playing 100 mph on the counter at every opportunity and as you say his pace has completely deserted him. He tried to run past defenders and it just didn't work. I think in this preseason with Ancelotti's emphasis on keeping the ball, Kaka showed that if he plays one and two touch passes and doesn't try to hold the ball too long that he can still be effective and he can still finish if he can find the time and space to really line up his shot but the club had already moved on and brought in Modric last year and Isco this year (plus Ozil). The one thing that was really infuriating, even under Jose, is that Kaka did not work for the team at all. He would lose the ball and then just shrug and trot back. Or complain to the official whilst the play continued in the other direction. I don't remember if he was different in Milan but it is a big problem that he has had since coming to Madrid at least. So I guess it depends on who will play around him in Milan and what he will be asked to do.

Thanks Jaime.

Kaka is a Milan player. Medical tomorrow.

Is it a loan or did he rescind his contract to sign on a free? The impression from the Spanish media was that Milan were not going to pay a transfer fee.

So a couple of updates with the close of the transfer market looming.

*Kaka, as Forza mentioned, is a Milan player. Marca are reporting that he has been allowed to leave on a free transfer but there are a series of clauses that would require Milan to pay some incentive based fees or a percentage of any future transfer fees.

*Al-Jazeera are claiming that Arsenal and Real Madrid have reached an agreement for a transfer free of 47m euros for Mesut Ozil. Relaño seems to think there is something to this. Al-Jazeera suggesting that Ozil's wage demands might be an obstacle.

*Ancelotti stated in the post game press conference that Coentrao is staying. He said that Coentrao wants to leave and stated that officially to the club but Ancelotti decided to block any attempts to sell the player. That said, there are reports out of England that Man Utd are still in for Coentrao and Marca have not waivered from the suggestion that if there is an offer of 20m euro that they will sell.

Jaime wrote:Look, there was no loan to pay this transfer. Like TM says, in the first place, it is being paid in installments. And in the second place, we've just sold Pedro Leon, Raul Albiol, Gonzalo Higuain, and Jose Callejon for about 65m and if we find a place for Coentrao and Kaka yet that will get the club pretty close to the 90m agree to pay for Bale.

I don't really understand Blut's vitriol regarding the transfer. For someone who allegedly does not care, they are pretty strong statements.  Of course in the grand scheme it is nauseating to think of football clubs(not just Real Madrid) spending this kind of money on any player. But we don't see you trolling the Barcelona thread taking up the plight of the Spanish youth when they pay 60m for Neymar.

1) madrid have been behind the most of the biggest transfer fees inflation in world football
2) we paid 17m for neymar  ( a better more marketable player)

On a business level the numbers are not bad at all, what they have made from sales this off season will cover a good about of the money they have spent on isco,mendi and bale ( am I forgetting anyone). Plus on of do maria or ozil will certainly leave before too long.

We have to give credit to Madrid where it is due on the business side of things they do know what they are doing since the land deal that it

Its sporting wise where they have failed big time with these type of sayings, so I say long may it continue, until it starts to work that is, then uefa needs to do something about, not that they could

Zidane
Ronaldo
C.ronaldo
Kaka
Becks

All big time failures on a team basis, will bale join them are will he join the ranks of figo, the one true big success

Jaime wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:

Jaime wrote:

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:Kaka to Milan seems very close. I know he has struggled at Real Madrid, but has he shown anything that may suggest that he can offset his diminishing pace by other qualities? I remember he was pretty decent a few months ago.

I think Kaka really suffered because of Jose's insistence of playing 100 mph on the counter at every opportunity and as you say his pace has completely deserted him. He tried to run past defenders and it just didn't work. I think in this preseason with Ancelotti's emphasis on keeping the ball, Kaka showed that if he plays one and two touch passes and doesn't try to hold the ball too long that he can still be effective and he can still finish if he can find the time and space to really line up his shot but the club had already moved on and brought in Modric last year and Isco this year (plus Ozil). The one thing that was really infuriating, even under Jose, is that Kaka did not work for the team at all. He would lose the ball and then just shrug and trot back. Or complain to the official whilst the play continued in the other direction. I don't remember if he was different in Milan but it is a big problem that he has had since coming to Madrid at least. So I guess it depends on who will play around him in Milan and what he will be asked to do.

Thanks Jaime.

Kaka is a Milan player. Medical tomorrow.

Is it a loan or did he rescind his contract to sign on a free? The impression from the Spanish media was that Milan were not going to pay a transfer fee.

I believe depending on results, Milan could pay RM up to 5 million euros.

messiah wrote:On a business level the numbers are not bad at all, what they have made from sales this off season will cover a good about of the money they have spent on isco,mendi and bale ( am I forgetting anyone). Plus on of do maria or ozil will certainly leave before too long.

We have to give credit to Madrid where it is due on the business side of things they do know what they are doing since the land deal that it

Its sporting wise where they have failed big time with these type of sayings, so I say long may it continue, until it starts to work that is, then uefa needs to do something about, not that they could

Zidane
Ronaldo
C.ronaldo
Kaka
Becks

All big time failures on a team basis, will bale join them are will he join the ranks of figo, the one true big success

f*cking hell, Kaka aside, if these are failurres what the hell would you call Chygrinskiyyyyyyyyy???????????

Chyga didn't come in with repution of being the best players in the world and among the best ever, as well as being among the most expensive players ever, to only win.

Zz.1 liga, 1 cl
Ronaldo 1 liga
C.ronaldo 1 liga
Becks 1 liga

Which doesn't look too bad until we remember becks,ronaldo and zidane league titles all came together.

Kaka is a whole other level of epic fail.

If bale brings the same level off success as the players mention over a similar time frame, I will be dancing in the rain.

Jaime wrote:
I don't really understand Blut's vitriol regarding the transfer. For someone who allegedly does not care, they are pretty strong statements.  Of course in the grand scheme it is nauseating to think of football clubs(not just Real Madrid) spending this kind of money on any player. But we don't see you trolling the Barcelona thread taking up the plight of the Spanish youth when they pay 60m for Neymar

I didn't say that I don't care about the transfer, otherwise I wouldn't have even commented on it. I said that I don't care about the player Bale, which is simply true.

I do care about the transfer for the reasons mentioned. I still slept like a baby yesterday and it doesn't make my blood boil, if that's what you're implying. It just disgusts me because it's the exact opposite of my understanding of running a football club properly and because it shows a degree of pretentiousness which I loathe in everyday life as well.

P.S.: I actually did comment on the Neymar transfer a number of times. The difference is that no matter what you think about the player, there is at least a certain degree of logic involved in the transfer, as Barcelona wanted to reduce the 'Messidependencia' and add a bit more quality and variety to their attack, knowing that the likes of Sanchez had been disappointing. Plus, Barcelona carried out the transfer quickly and professionally, overpaid, sure, but got it done at the beginning of the transfer period, so the player could join the season preperations ASAP. They acted quickly and they acted first, it was not a 'statement' to a transfer Real Madrid had done, they didn't join a penis waving contest with the sheiks and oligarchs.

Ozil is going to Arsenal it seems.

Ironic that when I finally wanted him to stay he leaves. I'm not miffed though because my worries over Isco aren't turning out at all and Di Maria is playing well not to mention we now have Modric,Illarra,Alonso so we aren't dependent on Ozil like we were before.

I'm happy that we end up keeping Di Maria because this way we will never have a situation where we have two players at the same time who add nothing defensively. Ozil did improve this in certain games and more so than Ronaldo but he still tended to revert to the sloppy Ozil.

I think he could well shine at Arsenal and especially with Carzola by his side

blutgraetsche wrote:

Jaime wrote:
I don't really understand Blut's vitriol regarding the transfer. For someone who allegedly does not care, they are pretty strong statements.  Of course in the grand scheme it is nauseating to think of football clubs(not just Real Madrid) spending this kind of money on any player. But we don't see you trolling the Barcelona thread taking up the plight of the Spanish youth when they pay 60m for Neymar

I didn't say that I don't care about the transfer, otherwise I wouldn't have even commented on it. I said that I don't care about the player Bale, which is simply true.

I do care about the transfer for the reasons mentioned. I still slept like a baby yesterday and it doesn't make my blood boil, if that's what you're implying. It just disgusts me because it's the exact opposite of my understanding of running a football club properly and because it shows a degree of pretentiousness which I loathe in everyday life as well.

P.S.: I actually did comment on the Neymar transfer a number of times. The difference is that no matter what you think about the player, there is at least a certain degree of logic involved in the transfer, as Barcelona wanted to reduce the 'Messidependencia' and add a bit more quality and variety to their attack, knowing that the likes of Sanchez had been disappointing. Plus, Barcelona carried out the transfer quickly and professionally, overpaid, sure, but got it done at the beginning of the transfer period, so the player could join the season preperations ASAP. They acted quickly and they acted first, it was not a 'statement' to a transfer Real Madrid had done, they didn't join a penis waving contest with the sheiks and oligarchs.

This is where you know nothing about Barcelona. Of course Neymar was penis waving. Maybe it was done at the beginning of the transfer window but the saga has been drawn out over a long period of time even going back to last year when RM had verbally agreed to a deal with Santos. Rosell couldn't wait to whip his dick out once he finalised this move. Every transfer made by either of these two clubs is, in part, to throw it in the face of the other.

But going back to Bale. You say that Neymar is ok because Barcelona are trying to get away from Messidependencia. What about us? You do realise that we are in the very same situation with Ronaldo but what is more complicated is that unlike Messi, Ronaldo is not on a long term deal and there is no indication whatsoever that he is going to sign a new deal. Just because it is preemptive doesn't meant there is no logic to it.

My suspicion is that if the Bale signing didn't have a direct impact on an ex-Bremen German international you would have much less to say about it.

Isco will be the true genius of maadrid that links everything together and take them to whatever glory they may achieve over the next couple of years, so ozil top player that he is won't be missed.

He didn't cost enough to stay under Perez anyways.

Modric
Isco
Bale
Ronaldo
Benzema

That's what close to 300m on five players.

Varane, arbeloa and sami are the only reasonablely prices players left in the xi, Perez will soon do something about this

Which of these is more likely to happen in Bale's first game for Madrid?

1. Real Madrid win a free kick on the edge of the box. Ronaldo heads over to take it but Bale says 'I'm taking it. I'm the world record transfer. Stand aside.'

2. Ronaldo says he'll take it. Bale agrees and then proceeds to suck Ronaldo's dick.

Its funny how some fans opinions are changing rapidly now that bale is officially a Madrid players.:

Have to correct one thing to sell had a deal with neymar way before Perez came in with his "verbal agreement" in fact its Perez and his dick waving that added 10m to the price of neymar. So let's not distort history to make the bale signing look better.

Also bale wasn't signed to help real with any ronaldo independence, ozil,isco, di maria. More than enough, he was signed because Perez is obsessed with the big statement.

Your suspicion is wrong, as I actually wanted Özil to leave Madrid in the Mourinho years already. He'll be better off at a club that actually appreciates him and follows a philosophy that complements his strengths. So in this respect, I'm actually glad the Bale transfer happened.

Bale is not a replacement for Ronaldo. Perez believes that he needs another 'Ronaldo'. Problem is that Ronaldo was a CL winner when he joined Madrid, and his former club was another European heavyweight that didn't want to sell. Bale has no such CV and with all due respect, Spurs are not in the same echelon as United are. Even if Ronaldo were to leave in near future, Bale will not be a 1:1 replacement. Ronaldo may be Bale's idol and he tries to model his game after him, but he's still not him.

Still looking forward to Ancelotti's way to make both work in the same system, particularly against strong opposition. That is actually going to be a very interesting thing to observe.

Bale kissing the badge. And wearing a 'LIVESTRONG' bracelet.  

He'll fit right in with the Spanish doping regimes.

Interesting side note to Bale: thousands of fans are packed into the stadium to see the Welshman's unveiling, yet more than a few are beginning to chant "Don't sell Ozil!" in the direction of the club's president.

http://www.goal.com/en/live-update/1347/deadline-day-live?ICID=HP_HN_1

Looks like the Real Madrid fans who are actually in Spain think differently about the Özil transfer.

Whatever, new chapter. I just hope that Khedira stays ON THE BENCH in Madrid in the coming year.

So Ozil gets the Sneijder treatment, I always liked Ozil and I'm probably the only one annoyed with him being forced out like this on the last day. What happens if Isco is not playing. Ozil is the only one who can play that position anyone else would not be playing in their natural position.

Nothing against Bale(very good player) but sometimes I think Perez would sign Justin Bieber if he could.

Bale won't do that well at Madrid. What Brit ever does that well abroad? You don't see Barca signing these flavours of the year.

Cristiano wrote:sometimes I think Perez would sign Justin Bieber if he could.

 

blutgraetsche wrote:

Interesting side note to Bale: thousands of fans are packed into the stadium to see the Welshman's unveiling, yet more than a few are beginning to chant "Don't sell Ozil!" in the direction of the club's president.

http://www.goal.com/en/live-update/1347/deadline-day-live?ICID=HP_HN_1

Looks like the Real Madrid fans who are actually in Spain think differently about the Özil transfer.

Whatever, new chapter. I just hope that Khedira stays ON THE BENCH in Madrid in the coming year.

 
I haven't advocated selling Ozil for a while now except if we got somebody better who could deliver what we need. You should recall that Real Madrid flirted with buying Am's during Ozil's time here but his form trend moved upward and criticism died down. That has been true on this forum as well.

Cristiano wrote:So Ozil gets the Sneijder treatment, I always liked Ozil and  I'm probably the only one annoyed with him being forced out like this on the last day. What happens if Isco is not playing. Ozil is the only one who can play that position anyone else would not be playing in their natural position.

Nothing against Bale(very good player) but sometimes I think Perez would sign Justin Bieber if he could.

debaser wrote:

Cristiano wrote:sometimes I think Perez would sign Justin Bieber if he could.

 

 
I'm holding Perez personally responsible for a failed season if it comes to this.

The goods news is that if we let of Ronaldo next year then we already have our replacement. More and more I'm wondering if we won't sell.

Super Mourinho wrote:

blutgraetsche wrote:

Interesting side note to Bale: thousands of fans are packed into the stadium to see the Welshman's unveiling, yet more than a few are beginning to chant "Don't sell Ozil!" in the direction of the club's president.

http://www.goal.com/en/live-update/1347/deadline-day-live?ICID=HP_HN_1

Looks like the Real Madrid fans who are actually in Spain think differently about the Özil transfer.

Whatever, new chapter. I just hope that Khedira stays ON THE BENCH in Madrid in the coming year.

 
I haven't advocated selling Ozil for a while now except if we got somebody better who could deliver what we need. You should recall that Real Madrid flirted with buying Am's during Ozil's time here but his form trend moved upward and criticism died down. That has been true on this forum as well.

Cristiano wrote:So Ozil gets the Sneijder treatment, I always liked Ozil and  I'm probably the only one annoyed with him being forced out like this on the last day. What happens if Isco is not playing. Ozil is the only one who can play that position anyone else would not be playing in their natural position.

Nothing against Bale(very good player) but sometimes I think Perez would sign Justin Bieber if he could.

debaser wrote:

Cristiano wrote:sometimes I think Perez would sign Justin Bieber if he could.

 

 
I'm holding Perez personally responsible for a failed season if it comes to this.

The goods news is that if we let of Ronaldo next year then we already have our replacement. More and more I'm wondering if we won't sell.

At least we will be the shit on FIFA

https://youtu.be/RuZTdixMtQY

 

messiah wrote:Chyga didn't come in with  repution of being the best players in the world and among the best ever, as well as being among the most expensive players ever, to only win.

Zz.1 liga, 1 cl
Ronaldo 1 liga
C.ronaldo 1 liga
Becks 1 liga

Which doesn't look too bad until we remember becks,ronaldo and zidane league titles all came together.

Kaka is a whole other level of epic fail.

If bale brings the same level off success as the players mention over a similar time frame, I will be dancing in the rain.

But you treat football as a deterministic science. Those players delivered success. Period. There was some return on investment. Just because thy didn't lord it over everyone like barca or that milan side doesn't make these transfers failures.

Forza Italia!Forza Milan! wrote:

messiah wrote:Chyga didn't come in with  repution of being the best players in the world and among the best ever, as well as being among the most expensive players ever, to only win.

Zz.1 liga, 1 cl
Ronaldo 1 liga
C.ronaldo 1 liga
Becks 1 liga

Which doesn't look too bad until we remember becks,ronaldo and zidane league titles all came together.

Kaka is a whole other level of epic fail.

If bale brings the same level off success as the players mention over a similar time frame, I will be dancing in the rain.

But you treat football as a deterministic science. Those players delivered success. Period. There was some return on investment. Just because thy didn't lord it over everyone like barca or that milan side doesn't make these transfers failures.

Some success isn't enough for players of that caliber and price tag, I'm sure when they were signed they didn't say to them self we ate going to go out there and try to have some success, there intent was to dominate and theydid cone anywhere close.

If they were just top players that came in for a OK price things may have been different

blutgraetsche wrote:

Interesting side note to Bale: thousands of fans are packed into the stadium to see the Welshman's unveiling, yet more than a few are beginning to chant "Don't sell Ozil!" in the direction of the club's president.

http://www.goal.com/en/live-update/1347/deadline-day-live?ICID=HP_HN_1

Looks like the Real Madrid fans who are actually in Spain think differently about the Özil transfer.

Whatever, new chapter. I just hope that Khedira stays ON THE BENCH in Madrid in the coming year.

The last Marca poll showed fans about 55-45 in favour of Ozil staying. Of course there are some that want him to stay, but there were also some that wanted Mahamadou Diarra to stay. There's no accounting for taste! Anyhow, looks like he is off to Arsenal so you get your wish after all. 50m euro!

At least we can agree on Khedira.

Cheryshev goes on loan to Sevilla for a year.

Adan is released.

Is it me or is Perez signalising the fans to be quiet when they tell him not to sell Özil?





Edit: Looks like Cristiano had the same idea.

We fuck off Ozil but Khedira remains. FUCK OFF!!!!