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    Post by Fey Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:06 pm

    Boss celebration from Ronaldo!

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    Post by blutgraetsche Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:09 pm

    He shut up that c**t Blatter at least, that's for sure.

    Even if Sevilla aren't exactly world beaters these days, it was a very good performance by Real yesterday, by Bale in particular. It remains to be seen if this 'system' that heavily relies on the individual class of the players can prevail against the toughest teams in Europe. But domestically, it should be good enough to steamroll 95% of the competition and hence keep the title race going until the end.
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    Post by messiah Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:42 pm

    did he do that after the pk
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:46 pm

    Happy for Bale that he finally gets a little positivity. We got some goals and chances but the defence was horrendous and Ancelotti said nothing of it:

    Real Madrid boss Carlo Ancelotti has praised the evolving partnership between Gareth Bale and Cristiano Ronaldo following his side's 7-3 victory over Sevilla.

    The duo were in scintillating form as the Blancos thumped Unai Emery's men at the Santiago Bernabeu, with the Welshman bagging two goals and assists in the rout, while his Portuguese team-mate hit a clinical hat-trick.

    And Ancelotti is enthused about the understanding the pair are seemingly forging together.

    He told Marca: "We played really well. There were moments when we lost some concentration but the game was good. We need a little more balance."

    "It was a crazy game. We started very well, but lost some balance."

    "Bale played very well, showing great fitness, scoring two goals and forming a good understanding with Cristiano."

    Xabi Alonso made his long-awaited return to first-team action following a five-month lay-off from a groin injury, replacing Asier Illarramendi on 64 minutes, and the Italian coach says the midfielder will be eased back into the fray.

    He added: "We will need to give Xabi Alonso minutes little by little. He has trained very well."

    The 54-year-old trainer went on to praise the effectiveness of his three-pronged attack, spearheaded by Karim Benzema who also bagged a double in the win.

    "We played with more speed and used balls in the air. We need better balance to avoid problems but the attacking play was fantastic tonight."

    "Karim played well, the three in attack were very good."
    He has to make it clear that this is not acceptable for a proper team. Mourinho would not have let them get away with this. We let in way too many chances. Arbeloa and Marcelo were particularly vulnerable and Bale didn't do enough defensively and the central midfield was all over the place. Still not convinced about Illarra defensively. Hopefully Alonso coming back will give us some stability and order.

    Benzema is starting to look like the Benz of old. Even at his best he didn't score a lot but he helped make the team more cohesive. It would be great if he got back to that mode again because if Ancelotti is going to play Ronaldo+Bale on each wing then we will need Benzema's build up play and unselfishness. Isco will also be crucial although he seems a bit off at the moment. I wonder if he is suffering from being moved around instead of having a real position.

    I was out travelling so I missed the the whole Blatter thing but it seems like much to do about nothing.
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    Post by Jaime Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:47 pm

    messiah wrote:did he do that after the pk
    Yeah.
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    Post by Jaime Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:53 pm

    Super Laudrup wrote:Happy for Bale that he finally gets a little positivity. We got some goals and chances but the defence was horrendous and Ancelotti said nothing of it:

    Real Madrid boss Carlo Ancelotti has praised the evolving partnership between Gareth Bale and Cristiano Ronaldo following his side's 7-3 victory over Sevilla.

    The duo were in scintillating form as the Blancos thumped Unai Emery's men at the Santiago Bernabeu, with the Welshman bagging two goals and assists in the rout, while his Portuguese team-mate hit a clinical hat-trick.

    And Ancelotti is enthused about the understanding the pair are seemingly forging together.

    He told Marca: "We played really well. There were moments when we lost some concentration but the game was good. We need a little more balance."

    "It was a crazy game. We started very well, but lost some balance."

    "Bale played very well, showing great fitness, scoring two goals and forming a good understanding with Cristiano."

    Xabi Alonso made his long-awaited return to first-team action following a five-month lay-off from a groin injury, replacing Asier Illarramendi on 64 minutes, and the Italian coach says the midfielder will be eased back into the fray.

    He added: "We will need to give Xabi Alonso minutes little by little. He has trained very well."

    The 54-year-old trainer went on to praise the effectiveness of his three-pronged attack, spearheaded by Karim Benzema who also bagged a double in the win.

    "We played with more speed and used balls in the air. We need better balance to avoid problems but the attacking play was fantastic tonight."

    "Karim played well, the three in attack were very good."
    He has to make it clear that this is not acceptable for a proper team. Mourinho would not have let them get away with this. We let in way too many chances. Arbeloa and Marcelo were particularly vulnerable and Bale didn't do enough defensively and the central midfield was all over the place. Still not convinced about Illarra defensively. Hopefully Alonso coming back will give us some stability and order.

    Benzema is starting to look like the Benz of old. Even at his best he didn't score a lot but he helped make the team more cohesive. It would be great if he got back to that mode again because if Ancelotti is going to play Ronaldo+Bale on each wing then we will need Benzema's build up play and unselfishness. Isco will also be crucial although he seems a bit off at the moment. I wonder if he is suffering from being moved around instead of having a real position.

    I was out travelling so I missed the the whole Blatter thing but it seems like much to do about nothing.
    I think there is something to this and of course the primary frustration with Benzema isn't that he doesn't score goals like Falcao it is that he more often than not his performances are at best indifferent and sometimes bordering on downright lazy. He looks miserable and doesn't work. Performances like yesterday and his minutes against Barcelona give you hope. Of course I have been hopeful about him before and always I end up being let down.

    If nothing else it's clear that there has to be something of a centre forward in the team. The Ronaldo-Bale-Di Maria experiment is hopefully done.

    Isco, particularly in the first half, I thought was very good. Again back to having some freedom of movements.
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    Post by Isco Benny Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:58 pm

    Amused that Ronaldo refused to allow Bale to take the penalty kick when Bale was on for a hat trick and Ronaldo's first of the night. Says everything we already know about the man.
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    Post by Jaime Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:06 pm

    Isco Benny wrote:Amused that Ronaldo refused to allow Bale to take the penalty kick when Bale was on for a hat trick and Ronaldo's first of the night. Says everything we already know about the man.
    Ronaldo is the penalty taker. I don't see what the big problem is.
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    Post by Jaime Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:08 pm

    Also you didn't tell us Bale was a diver!!!! I thought the English didn't dive!
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    Post by Romford Pele Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:09 pm

    Jaime wrote:Also you didn't tell us Bale was a diver!!!! I thought the English didn't dive!
    He's one of the worst about lol! 
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    Post by blutgraetsche Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:10 pm

    lol!

    Never been more than a myth. Quite a parallel to Neymar actually.

    Real and Barca have really improved their diving capabilities this summer.
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    Post by Super Progress Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:16 pm

    I don't think we should give up on Ronaldo-Bale-Di Maria at all. They had never played together before and this was a tough game, not to mention that Bale is getting back into form. Add the fact that they had little service from midfield and I'm not surprised it didn't work.
    We should consider going back to that for counter attacking games. Alonso would have been perfect for this game instead of Ramos.

    The core of this tactic is that we get to move Ronaldo away from too much defensive responsibility and Bale moving around him will help
    both although perhaps adding Di Maria means that there is nobody there to provide the needed weighted pass or important first touch. Isco might be a better match and he can do those things and still remain dangerous on his own.

    Mourinho would have loved this team:erm:

    P.S. I can tell Jaime doesn't follow the EPL thread because Bale is a known serial diver. Although he isn't too good at it. He can hopefully become better working with Di Maria, Ronaldo, Marcelo.
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    Post by Jaime Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:53 pm

    I thought it was pretty clear I was being tongue in cheek about Bale and his diving. Laughing
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    Post by debaser Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:12 pm

    Jaime wrote:Also you didn't tell us Bale was a diver!!!! I thought the English didn't dive!
    he's Welsh Razz
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    Post by Isco Benny Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:44 pm

    Please tell me you're all joking - as if Jaime wasn't making that statement without full self awareness!
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    Post by Jaime Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:31 pm

    CONVOCATORIA

    Porteros: Casillas, Diego López y Jesús.
    Defensas: Varane, Ramos, Pepe, Coentrão, Marcelo, Carvajal, Arbeloa y Nacho.
    Centrocampistas: Khedira, Bale, Xabi Alonso, Casemiro, Modric, Di María, Isco e Illarra.
    Delanteros: Cristiano Ronaldo, Benzema, Jesé y Morata.

    Ancelotti has included all 23 players in the prematch squad. Alonso will start for the first time this year. Maybe this will be the end of Khedira!!!! Varane will be rested ahead of the Champions League match against Juve next week.



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    Post by Super Progress Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:13 pm

    Embarassed 
    Was watching the game with some friends who also seemed surprised that Bale dived as if it was really something new.

    A bit early to already give Alonso a full start. He should give some playing time to Casemiro.

    Would like to see

    Arbeloa--Pepe---Ramos--Coentrao

    ----Casemiro--Alonso--Modric


    Di Maria------------Ronaldo

    ---------Morata----------


    Btw I still don't get why Illarra seems to be prefered over Modric. Does anybody have a clue what is going on here? As I recall Modric was doing fine while illarra was struggling to get settled.
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    Post by Jaime Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:27 pm

    I did see an interview with Ancelotti on el Larguero or somewhere a few weeks ago. He does really seem to believe in squad rotation. Same reason Isco has gone out of the team now for a stretch. But I think with Illarra who didn't have a preseason for the most part, he is trying to work in some games with him in the team. My guess is Modric will probably be back for the Juve game.

    I actually think Rayo is a perfect game for Alonso to play from the start. Should be able to get into the rhythm and maybe play 65-70 minutes and then be feeling in good shape for the Juve match.

    Casemiro - I don't know what the situation with is. There aren't even really any rumours about him not training well or anything. The only thing I did read is there is a theory that Ancelotti doesn't want to put too much pressure on the kids (Casemiro, Jese, and Morata). Which maybe coming from Italian football is part of that but I think if they are good enough they should play. Can you imagine if Casemiro had played in the Camp Nou instead of Khedira? F*cking hell we could have had three points!
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    Post by Super Progress Fri Nov 01, 2013 3:41 pm

    Ok that is what I'm sort of thinking as well and it is the only logical explanation for what dropping Modric. Illarra does seem to be improving but I expect Ancelotti to reuse Khedira-Illarra-Modric for the Juve game.

    It depends on Alonso's condition but if Ancelotti believes he can handle starting a game already then I'm fine with it. The sooner Alonso gets in the team the better as far as I am concerned.

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    Post by Super Progress Sun Nov 03, 2013 6:57 pm

    Thought we played poorly and considering that the second half should have been a counter attacking feast for our attack and we got nothing out of it and kept inviting pressure. It was abysmal and Ancelotti had no idea how to close the game and so we suffered more than we needed.

    Ancelotti blasts complacent Madrid

    After watching his side nearly blow three-goal leads twice in four days, the Italian tore into his players, whom he believes are not focused enough during games

    Real Madrid boss Carlo Ancelotti has blasted his team's slack attitude after their defensive frailties were again exposed in Saturday's 3-2 victory at Rayo Vallecano.

    Los Blancos had surged into a three-goal lead through Cristiano Ronaldo, who struck twice, and Karim Benzema but narrowly avoided dropping two precious points after Jonathan Viera's quick-fire double from the penalty spot.

    After citing similar struggles containing Sevilla's comeback attempt in Wednesday's 7-3 win at the Santiago Bernabeu, Ancelotti demanded an end to his side's propensity for complacency.

    "Conceding like we have in these past two games cannot be a coincidence," the Italian noted to reporters. "Defensively, the second half was a disaster.

    "This is something I have to talk about in the locker room, but I will address it generally here. I think we need to change a little and remove the superficial attitude we sometimes have on the field.

    "A team of this quality should not risk losing the match when we are 3-0 up. To think that the match is finished at 3-0 is a big mistake. This is not football.

    "It has happened twice and I am sure it will not happen again."

    The capital outfit stay within six points of Liga leaders Barcelona but have already conceded 16 goals after only 12 games.

    Finally a reaction from Ancelotti. Our biggest problem really wasn't the defenders, midfielders or even the relation between the two but the general lax attitude and lack of respect towards Rayo.

    Ancelotti should go for a more solid approach against Juventus. I would love to go in with the intent to get a draw just to see if we can do it. Would like to see Khedira-Alonso-Modric in midfield with Ronaldo up front and Isco+Di Maria to do the dirty work on the flanks.
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    Post by blutgraetsche Mon Nov 04, 2013 2:57 pm

    Ozil blames Ancelotti for Madrid exit

    The attacking midfielder has hinted that he might have stayed at Madrid if the former PSG coach had given him the feeling that he was still an important player
    Mesut Ozil has blamed Carlo Ancelotti for forcing him to leave Real Madrid for Arsenal during the summer transfer window.


    The Germany international opted to say farewell to the Santiago Bernabeu side after the signings of Isco and Gareth Bale, but he has suggested that he might have stayed put had Ancelotti given him the feeling that he was still an important first-team member.

    "It is very important for me that the coach shows faith in me and believes in me," Ozil told TF1.

    "I had no doubt that I would stay at Real Madrid when last season came to an end.

    "But then something happened and I no longer had the coach's trust.

    "At Arsenal on the other hand, I feel the exact opposite."

    Ozil, 25, has seven Premier League appearances for Arsenal so far, scoring twice in the process
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    Post by Jaime Mon Nov 04, 2013 3:46 pm

    It's really he said she said with this whole Ozil story. Ancelotti says he didn't have a good attitude. Ozil says the manager doesn't trust him.

    It's over. Let's all move on. Ale
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    Post by Super Progress Mon Nov 04, 2013 5:44 pm

    Jaime wrote:It's really he said she said with this whole Ozil story. Ancelotti says he didn't have a good attitude. Ozil says the manager doesn't trust him.

    It's over. Let's all move on. Ale
    <Ale> 
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    Post by Jaime Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:30 pm

    CONVOCATORIA

    Porteros: Casillas, Diego López y Jesús Fernández.
    Defensas: Varane, Pepe, Ramos, Marcelo, Carvajal, Arbeloa y Nacho.
    Centrocampistas: Khedira, Casemiro, Bale, Xabi Alonso, Modric, Di María, Isco e Illarra.
    Delanteros: Cristiano Ronaldo, Benzema, Morata y Jesé.

    Ancelotti has confirmed that Varane will start in Turin but said he hasn't decided who will partner him. Apart from that looks like this will be the team:

    --------------------Casillas

    Arbeloa------Varane------S. Ramos------Marcelo

    -------Khedira-----Alonso-----Modric

    Bale--------------Benzema-------------Ronaldo


    Guess we're wearing the Valencia kits tomorrow as well. Erm

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    Post by bluenine Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:40 pm

    Jaime wrote:
    Bale--------------Benzema-------------Ronaldo
    I have only seen a few games, but I am not sure that is the best attack for RM... Bale only looks half the players on the right, and Benzema is just not good enough for RM (admittedly I haven't seem that last coupla games). Don't you guys think the following would be better?

    Di Maria - Ronaldo - Bale

    Ronaldo plays like a striker most of the time anyways...
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    Post by Jaime Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:10 pm

    bluenine wrote:
    Jaime wrote:
    Bale--------------Benzema-------------Ronaldo
    I have only seen a few games, but I am not sure that is the best attack for RM... Bale only looks half the players on the right, and Benzema is just not good enough for RM (admittedly I haven't seem that last coupla games). Don't you guys think the following would be better?

    Di Maria - Ronaldo - Bale

    Ronaldo plays like a striker most of the time anyways...
    I don't know, Bale had two assists from the right at the weekend against Rayo.

    Benzema, he is probably the most maddening player. Because half the time he looks like he just wants to run off the pitch and cry and sometimes he looks like he could be WPOTY. Every time I say I am done with him, he has a good performance and sucks me back in wanting to believe he is not a useless piece of shit.

    That trio failed miserably in the clasico. Of course Bale was the one predominantly playing through the middle. And he was only playing his second game of the season.

    I think we play better with a proper centre forward personally.
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    Post by Super Progress Tue Nov 05, 2013 4:12 pm

    Bluey
    It looks like Benzema is starting to get his act together just as the crowds were completely turning on him. We will see but sadly I will miss the game today because I have to go watch FCK vs Galatasaray but I'm very interested in how we handle this game. I'm surprised that Bale starts and I expected Di Maria to get the nod. We will neeed some defence down the flanks and especially if we aren't going to hound Pirlo like we didn't do in the first game.
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    Post by Jaime Tue Nov 05, 2013 4:22 pm

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    Post by Jaime Wed Nov 06, 2013 1:58 pm

    Top performance from Casillas. His performance last night was vintage Iker. I think sooner than later the debate on Casillas-Diego Lopez is going to resurface if Casillas keeps playing like this.

    Ok with the result. Varane for once was really poor. I read that Ancelotti wanted to play Ramos on the right more or less to man mark Tevez (same reason he played Sergio in midfield against Barcelona, to pick up Messi deeper in midfielder where he often starts his runs) which ok I can understand but there is so much inconsistency in the back. It's no wonder that the team is leaking in goals at time. I think the penalty was fair. The only case you could maybe make was that the ball had already run away from Pogba before Varane touched him. Second goal, not much that could have been done I suppose but really there is no way that Marcelo should have been marking Llorente (glad to see he is getting on the pitch and scoring though...)

    Could have maybe won the match with a little more luck and the introduction of Isco but I think Carletto wasn't really interested in winning the match after the 2-2.

    I would like to see Morata and Jese and some of the others getting a chance in the last two matches of the group stage since we are more or less qualified for the next round.
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    Post by TM Wed Nov 06, 2013 2:56 pm

    Jaime wrote:Real Madrid CF 2013/14 - Page 29 Onces_del_madrid
    This really sums up what is wrong at the moment, there is no consistency in Ancelotti's team selection. He constantly plays players out of position. Ronaldo as a CF, Bale on the right side, Ramos as a defensive midfielder etc. By now Ancelotti should know the formation and most of his starting players. Isco should definitely be a starter, without him the midfield really lacks creativity.

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