Ronaldo=Fabregas>>>>>>>Rooney, Robinho,

L r d wrote:you sure do love your stats tweedle. He wasCr@plast year for the first 5 months yet he had reasonable stats nevertheless. He wasnt any better than ronaldo also in the last few months. games like man city away when a victory was needed ronaldo again had to do it. even the fulham last minute winner was then i believe? He just did better v Milan.

Basically i think Rooney is world class, but not wpoty material and never will be. He wont be as good as the best but he can be up there with the best of the rest.

L r d wrote:you sure do love your stats tweedle. He wasCr@plast year for the first 5 months yet he had reasonable stats nevertheless. He wasnt any better than ronaldo also in the last few months. games like man city away when a victory was needed ronaldo again had to do it. even the fulham last minute winner was then i believe? He just did better v Milan.

Basically i think Rooney is world class, but not wpoty material and never will be. He wont be as good as the best but he can be up there with the best of the rest.

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:i think rooney is about as good as he's going to get. and tweeds thats not bashng, he's hardly a bad player, but prob not as good as mant think but who also think he'll get a good deal better. i think these people may be disappointed. 14 goals in the league last season not even top scorer in the league, and the same amount of league goals as Viduka (also the teams main striker but from a much worse side), hardly an overwhelming vote of confidence

Tweedle wrote:

L r d wrote:you sure do love your stats tweedle. He wasCr@plast year for the first 5 months yet he had reasonable stats nevertheless. He wasnt any better than ronaldo also in the last few months. games like man city away when a victory was needed ronaldo again had to do it. even the fulham last minute winner was then i believe? He just did better v Milan.

Basically i think Rooney is world class, but not wpoty material and never will be. He wont be as good as the best but he can be up there with the best of the rest.

That's bollocks lrd.

Ronaldo had a bit of a slip in form towards the end of the last season, at exactly the same time as Rooney picked up his form.

Stats do go some to proving how effextive someone is btw. Ronaldo may be all tricks and flicks but Rooney can be just as effective. He has far better vision than Ronaldo for a start and is much more creative.

Ronaldo is quick, has quick feet and has added some end product to that but he could only dream of pulling off some of the shots and passes that Rooney has pulled off - his chips, passes through with the ooutside of the boot and his angled balls that when you see you think 'how the hell did he see that!' - Ronaldo never does these mind blowing passes or show the guile that Rooney has in front of goal.

WG

Parks lives wrote:

L r d wrote:you sure do love your stats tweedle. He wasCr@plast year for the first 5 months yet he had reasonable stats nevertheless. He wasnt any better than ronaldo also in the last few months. games like man city away when a victory was needed ronaldo again had to do it. even the fulham last minute winner was then i believe? He just did better v Milan.

Basically i think Rooney is world class, but not wpoty material and never will be. He wont be as good as the best but he can be up there with the best of the rest.

& the FA cup games.

& some league games - Everton away springs to mind, which was every bit as important as the City game.

L r d wrote:What guile is that?

Rooney is one of the most wasteful strikers in the world. He gets more chances because he creates more for others and himself, but he is still very wasteful

Ronaldo is more creative than Rooney

Rooney can possibly play better through balls, but Ronaldo can create in a number of ways.

As for shooting there is not much in it, Rooney seems to have lost the plot from distance, and Ronaldo is a nutter some fly in some fly out the stadium.

The last 3 months Ronaldo was just as good as rooney, it's just that rooney was finally playing well, and ronaldo was not at his early season form, but the level was the same overall.

stats confuse the situation, being effective is one thing, being effective in a way that allows your team to dominate a game and win games is what it's about.

L r d wrote:

Tweedle wrote:

L r d wrote:you sure do love your stats tweedle. He wasCr@plast year for the first 5 months yet he had reasonable stats nevertheless. He wasnt any better than ronaldo also in the last few months. games like man city away when a victory was needed ronaldo again had to do it. even the fulham last minute winner was then i believe? He just did better v Milan.

Basically i think Rooney is world class, but not wpoty material and never will be. He wont be as good as the best but he can be up there with the best of the rest.

That's bollocks lrd.

Ronaldo had a bit of a slip in form towards the end of the last season, at exactly the same time as Rooney picked up his form.

Stats do go some to proving how effextive someone is btw. Ronaldo may be all tricks and flicks but Rooney can be just as effective. He has far better vision than Ronaldo for a start and is much more creative.

Ronaldo is quick, has quick feet and has added some end product to that but he could only dream of pulling off some of the shots and passes that Rooney has pulled off - his chips, passes through with the ooutside of the boot and his angled balls that when you see you think 'how the hell did he see that!' - Ronaldo never does these mind blowing passes or show the guile that Rooney has in front of goal.

WG

What guile is that? Rooney is one of the most wasteful strikers in the world. He gets more chances because he creates more for others and himself, but he is still very wasteful
Ronaldo is more creative than Rooney i am not sure how you reach some sort of conclusion otherwise. Rooney can possibly play better through balls, but Ronaldo can create in a number of ways. Ronaldo also got more assists i believe last year?
As for shooting there is not much in it, Rooney seems to have lost the plot from distance, and Ronaldo is a nutter some fly in some fly out the stadium.
The last 3 months Ronaldo was just as good as rooney, it's just that rooney was finally playing well, and ronaldo was not at his early season form, but the level was the same overall. stats confuse the situation, being effective is one thing, being effective in a way that allows your team to dominate a game and win games is what it's about.

TRWP wrote:Is Ronaldo the Worst free kick taker in the history of Manchester United, and indeed the World?

Discuss

TRWP wrote:Is Ronaldo the Worst free kick taker in the history of Manchester United, and indeed the World?

Discuss

rza wrote:

Parks lives wrote:Football brain, consistency, maturity, there's a lot he can still improve upon.

He does have football brain and i think he uses it too much which leads to him not being selfish enough (for a striker) to want to score goals rather than create for teammates. Whenever he gets the ball he doesn't think 'i can score from here', he first looks for teammates, i guess that's his football brain. So he needs to be selfish like Pippo Inzaghi, but can he be?

Consistency, in his fourth/fifth season at the highest level he should be consistent. And please don't bring up the age issue because we know football has a lifespan and he is already midway in his lifespan. His career started early like L Ronaldo and Del Piero, and from what we seen from them then Rooney is very likely to be in his prime. If that's the case then he is already as consistent as he can get.

Euro 2004 tells us that he matured too early for his age. That performance was from someone who is matured.

Truly speaking, if Rooney was from Nigeria then we would be going through his birth certificates.

robert wrote:Amazng people are comparing Rooney and Ronaldo, it's not even a contest at the moment. Rooney is too predictable nowadays.

He recieves the ball on the wing, and you just know he is going to cut in and clip the ball to the middle. He needs to be told to take on people every now and then to put some unpredictablity in his game. .

robert wrote:Amazng people are comparing Rooney and Ronaldo, it's not even a contest at the moment. Rooney is too predictable nowadays.

He recieves the ball on the wing, and you just know he is going to cut in and clip the ball to the middle. He needs to be told to take on people every now and then to put some unpredictablity in his game. IT's like he's turning into Scholes minus the brilliant insight.

robert wrote:He is definately more predictable than Ronaldo. I said he is too predictable not that he is incapable of improvising. My issue is that he does not do enough improvising.

Ronaldo also has his predictable moments however he mixes things up better than Rooney is at the moment.

If I was marking someone, especially out wide I would always select to mark Rooney because if he is on the right he'll go wide and cross or simply pass central, on the left he will always cut in.
And I didn't watch the England - Estonia match all the matches i'm basing him on are for man utd. If he did do good things against Estonia, great but for man utd however i'm not seeing them as often as i'd like.

Tweedle wrote:Forgot Messi - the guy is great but IMO a lot of his game relies on his turn of pace, take this away and he is good but nothing amazing. He is a very decent passer but not Cesc class and his end product is only a consequence of the way that Barcelona play

Luso wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Forgot Messi - the guy is great but IMO a lot of his game relies on his turn of pace, take this away and he is good but nothing amazing. He is a very decent passer but not Cesc class and his end product is only a consequence of the way that Barcelona play

You're kidding right?

Agooner wrote:I think poldi has got something; u can see that when he is the box for example, he can just turn quickly and shoot with his left. He is also very composed infront of goal- good finisher.


Messi is extremely talented but i think he's just too one- footed. I have seen him in situations where it was better to use his right but he always tried to turn on his left . most smart defenders can easily deal with that by blocking his left side and i am sure he will start getting problems the more defenders take note of that. I think i started noticing that in the valencia match recently.

Cesc fabregas is the most intelligent one among the lot but i think wenger is doing to him what he did to henry at monaco ie playing him out of position. He is clearly not a DM and i believe he will be out of this world if he is played regularly in a more attacking role. I would rate him , ronaldo, rooney and messi on he same level with robinho and poldi just below. Robinho hasn't improved at all since he went to madrid.

The-Frank-Tavern wrote:

Luso wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Forgot Messi - the guy is great but IMO a lot of his game relies on his turn of pace, take this away and he is good but nothing amazing. He is a very decent passer but not Cesc class and his end product is only a consequence of the way that Barcelona play

You're kidding right?

i'll leave it to you luso

Cripps wrote:Cesc plays imo in the toughest position of them all. Messi is played on the wing where he has the time and space to do whatever he desires.

Cesc goes head to head with the best in midfield and comes out on top more often than not. Who can forget the magical moment in the 2005 cup final when Cesc and Roy Keane went for a 50/50 challenge and Cesc got up and carried on and it was Keane left on the floor in a heap

Agooner wrote:

Cripps wrote:Cesc plays imo in the toughest position of them all. Messi is played on the wing where he has the time and space to do whatever he desires.

Cesc goes head to head with the best in midfield and comes out on top more often than not. Who can forget the magical moment in the 2005 cup final when Cesc and Roy Keane went for a 50/50 challenge and Cesc got up and carried on and it was Keane left on the floor in a heap

didn't he outplay Roy keane at the age of 17? twas in the community shield if i'm not mistaken

Cripps wrote:

Agooner wrote:

Cripps wrote:Cesc plays imo in the toughest position of them all. Messi is played on the wing where he has the time and space to do whatever he desires.

Cesc goes head to head with the best in midfield and comes out on top more often than not. Who can forget the magical moment in the 2005 cup final when Cesc and Roy Keane went for a 50/50 challenge and Cesc got up and carried on and it was Keane left on the floor in a heap

didn't he outplay Roy keane at the age of 17? twas in the community shield if i'm not mistaken

I think he did it every time they came up against each other