Drogba Vs Henry

Roger_Hunt wrote:Shearer was quick enough before his knee injury.

Let's see if Drogba can be top league scorer for 2 or 3 seasons (and consistently get 20 goals a season) for 6 or 7 years. Then he'll be on a par with Henry.

But you know Drogba won't be around for that long.

Comparing strikers ONLY on their goals is pretty unfair too imo. Henry outscores every striker in Europe every season (or has done for the last 3-4 years), yet a lot of people consider Eto'o, Klose, Toni etc better than him.

You have to look at what else a striker will give the team, and I just think that an in-form Drogba gives his team more than an in-form Henry.

In comparing greatness you have to look at longevity. Its not enough to be really good for a couple of seasons imo.

On goals - I agree that goals are not the only measure of a striker. But the point I was making was in response to the comment that he has weaknesses (e.g. can't head the ball). Maybe he has, but he's pretty damn effective nonetheless.

I would agree that Drogba fits better into Chelsea's system (and therefore gives them more) than Henry would. But the reverse is true with Arsenal. And Henry is more likely to make a goal out of nothing than Drogba imo.

Drogba has the potential to overtake Henry but he's not there yet for me.

S4P wrote:

Roger_Hunt wrote:Shearer was quick enough before his knee injury.

Let's see if Drogba can be top league scorer for 2 or 3 seasons (and consistently get 20 goals a season) for 6 or 7 years. Then he'll be on a par with Henry.

But you know Drogba won't be around for that long.

Comparing strikers ONLY on their goals is pretty unfair too imo. Henry outscores every striker in Europe every season (or has done for the last 3-4 years), yet a lot of people consider Eto'o, Klose, Toni etc better than him.

You have to look at what else a striker will give the team, and I just think that an in-form Drogba gives his team more than an in-form Henry.

Really?
Im not denying an inform Drogba's usefulness but an in form Henry is a scary proposition for anyone. The movement he offers with his pace is very difficult for defenders to deal with.
Also an in form Henry has the ability to thread passes throught to other players-his football brain is far greater than Drogbas.

I'd also maintain that an in form Henry gives just as much to the team than the other strikers you mentioned.

Of course, it does depend on the team. For Arsenal, or Barca, or a similar team, Henry is the more effective and therefore better player. At Man U or Chelsea or Milan, Drogba is the more effective.

Oh, what a surprise. After Thierry's mum wrote him a sick note so he didn't have to play against that nasty northern team he's suddenly fine again and ready to play.


Soft get.

saintgoingmarching wrote:Oh, what a surprise. After Thierry's mum wrote him a sick note so he didn't have to play against that nasty northern team he's suddenly fine again and ready to play.


Soft get.

Very strange point. You seem to look for a flaw in everything he does...

saintgoingmarching wrote:Oh, what a surprise. After Thierry's mum wrote him a sick note so he didn't have to play against that nasty northern team he's suddenly fine again and ready to play.


Soft get.

Have u finally learnt to check your stats before coming up with your usual rubbish?

Agooner wrote:

saintgoingmarching wrote:Oh, what a surprise. After Thierry's mum wrote him a sick note so he didn't have to play against that nasty northern team he's suddenly fine again and ready to play.


Soft get.

Have u finally learnt to check your stats before coming up with your usual rubbish?

Have you learnt to appreciate anything but stats?

Kevin wrote:

saintgoingmarching wrote:Oh, what a surprise. After Thierry's mum wrote him a sick note so he didn't have to play against that nasty northern team he's suddenly fine again and ready to play.


Soft get.

Very strange point. You seem to look for a flaw in everything he does...

And Arsenal fans seem to ignore all the flaws in what he does. And then usually start talking about stats.

Just for the sake of argument has Henry EVER finished top of the scoring charts in a European tournament?

saintgoingmarching wrote:

Kevin wrote:

saintgoingmarching wrote:Oh, what a surprise. After Thierry's mum wrote him a sick note so he didn't have to play against that nasty northern team he's suddenly fine again and ready to play.


Soft get.

Very strange point. You seem to look for a flaw in everything he does...

And Arsenal fans seem to ignore all the flaws in what he does. And then usually start talking about stats.

Just for the sake of argument has Henry EVER finished top of the scoring charts in a European tournament?

An you always ignore valid points when it suits you and go off in other directions.
Anyway, since when has getting injured been a problem? This amuses me as to how you seem able to criticize Henry for picking up a knock and then being able to play the next week or do you have a deep loathing or any players wo are injured for a week?

I would look into your question but it will involve the use of statistics so i would not like to bring any more annoyance to your life due to Arsenal fans who always use stats.

An you always ignore valid points when it suits you and go off in other directions.

.. it's a weird little obsession saints has got here..


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COTR wrote:

An you always ignore valid points when it suits you and go off in other directions.

.. it's a weird little obsession saints has got here..


Cue more pictures of 'de nile'

I only just got it!

saintgoingmarching wrote:

Agooner wrote:

saintgoingmarching wrote:Oh, what a surprise. After Thierry's mum wrote him a sick note so he didn't have to play against that nasty northern team he's suddenly fine again and ready to play.


Soft get.

Have u finally learnt to check your stats before coming up with your usual rubbish?

Have you learnt to appreciate anything but stats?

Yes but i just hate when people use wrong stats to discredit players they don't like. I'll say it again, check your stats before posting rubbish like this:

His ratio (goals/games) in Europe isn't particularly impressive, thus indicating that his position of 4th in the all time list is primarily due to playing lots and lots of games rather than because he's particularly prolific.

or this:

Raul's been crap for two seasons though, and scored the vast majority of his goals in considerably fewer games than Henry.

Kevin wrote:

COTR wrote:

An you always ignore valid points when it suits you and go off in other directions.

.. it's a weird little obsession saints has got here..


Cue more pictures of 'de nile'

I only just got it!

only a day late kevin..

surely you have heard that one before

COTR wrote:

Kevin wrote:

COTR wrote:

An you always ignore valid points when it suits you and go off in other directions.

.. it's a weird little obsession saints has got here..


Cue more pictures of 'de nile'

I only just got it!

only a day late kevin..

surely you have heard that one before

Dont think i have actually.
Can't of reached Belgium yet.

Agooner wrote:


Sheva: 81 matches, 42 goals

henry : 83 matches, 42 goals

As u can see above the goals per games ratio is virtually the same...

...until we get to the knockout stages (ie when stakes are higher)

Sheva: 26 starts, 16 goals*

Henry: 17 starts, 7 goals



* we won't worry about the 3 perfect ones stolen from him by linesman in 2 finals and a semi final.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Agooner wrote:


Sheva: 81 matches, 42 goals

henry : 83 matches, 42 goals

As u can see above the goals per games ratio is virtually the same...

...until we get to the knockout stages (ie when stakes are higher)

Sheva: 26 starts, 16 goals*

Henry: 17 starts, 7 goals



* we won't worry about the 3 perfect ones stolen from him by linesman in 2 finals and a semi final.

Henry had a perfect goal disallowed against villareal too.

Those 17 starts were all not as a striker. I would appreciate it if u provide the link to those stats.

Agooner wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Agooner wrote:


Sheva: 81 matches, 42 goals

henry : 83 matches, 42 goals

As u can see above the goals per games ratio is virtually the same...

...until we get to the knockout stages (ie when stakes are higher)

Sheva: 26 starts, 16 goals*

Henry: 17 starts, 7 goals



* we won't worry about the 3 perfect ones stolen from him by linesman in 2 finals and a semi final.

Henry had a perfect goal disallowed against villareal too.

Those 17 starts were all not as a striker. I would appreciate it if u provide the link to those stats.

Pierre i must also add he scored 7 goals in 9 games in KO stages (yes when the pressure was on) of the uefa cup against the likes of deportivo( la liga leaders at that time), weder bremen and Lens etc

Agooner wrote:

Agooner wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Agooner wrote:


Sheva: 81 matches, 42 goals

henry : 83 matches, 42 goals

As u can see above the goals per games ratio is virtually the same...

...until we get to the knockout stages (ie when stakes are higher)

Sheva: 26 starts, 16 goals*

Henry: 17 starts, 7 goals



* we won't worry about the 3 perfect ones stolen from him by linesman in 2 finals and a semi final.

Henry had a perfect goal disallowed against villareal too.

Those 17 starts were all not as a striker. I would appreciate it if u provide the link to those stats.

Pierre i must also add he scored 7 goals in 9 games in KO stages (yes when the pressure was on) of the uefa cup against the likes of deportivo( la liga leaders at that time), weder bremen and Lens etc

UEFA Cup post 98/99 means nothing anyway.

The starts per games record was obtained from a Champions League guide for 04/05 + added last 2 seasons myself - I will put up every game at the weekend when I have time.

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Agooner wrote:

Agooner wrote:

Pierre Littbarski wrote:

Agooner wrote:


Sheva: 81 matches, 42 goals

henry : 83 matches, 42 goals

As u can see above the goals per games ratio is virtually the same...

...until we get to the knockout stages (ie when stakes are higher)

Sheva: 26 starts, 16 goals*

Henry: 17 starts, 7 goals



* we won't worry about the 3 perfect ones stolen from him by linesman in 2 finals and a semi final.

Henry had a perfect goal disallowed against villareal too.

Those 17 starts were all not as a striker. I would appreciate it if u provide the link to those stats.

Pierre i must also add he scored 7 goals in 9 games in KO stages (yes when the pressure was on) of the uefa cup against the likes of deportivo( la liga leaders at that time), weder bremen and Lens etc

UEFA Cup post 98/99 means nothing anyway.

The starts per games record was obtained from a Champions League guide for 04/05 + added last 2 seasons myself - I will put up every game at the weekend when I have time.

The uefa cup was strong that season especially if u consider the top teams that participated in it and where they finished in their domestic competition:

Juve: second in serie A

Deportivo: champion's of spain.

Arsenal: second in the EPL

Nantes: can't remember exactly but they won the league the following season.

then u had the likes of Roma, Ajax, bremen, leeds,celtic, celta vigo, lyon who were all top 5 in their respective leagues.

And yet it was Galatasaray that won it.

@ Pierre

Does the UEFA cup mean nothing?

In that case, we can forget Valencia's 03-04 victory (Ayala's was brilliant throughout - you say he should've won the Ballon D'Or that year), which was also the tournament that brought Drogba to the attention of British fans.

I like both players just as much as you, but there's a case of double-standards there on Chairwee.

TeamSpirit wrote:And yet it was Galatasaray that won it.

@ Pierre

Does the UEFA cup mean nothing?

In that case, we can forget Valencia's 03-04 victory (Ayala's was brilliant throughout - you say he should've won the Ballon D'Or that year), which was also the tournament that brought Drogba to the attention of British fans.

I like both players just as much as you, but there's a case of double-standards there on Chairwee.

Of course, people will have different opinions on who is the better striker, and will provide their own facts/stats etc.

I just think that with Thierry Henry, it is possible for a top defender to man-mark him on a consistant basis, and Henry will be far less effective, even when he's on the top of his game.

Other than Vidic, I have not seen a defender yet, who I can say has successfully done an excellent man-marking job on Drogba.

And to say that Drogba cannot create goals in tight spaces/can be easily man-marked:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxPImTbaF4M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc_XKwqAv7I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TW4ZAGlOLBQ&mode=related&search=
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eArG6xQiGoY

Mertesacker (and / or Naldo) did a pretty good job against Drogba also.

blutgraetsche wrote:Mertesacker and / or Naldo did a pretty good job against Drogba also.

After Naldo or Wome elbowed him

The Drogs very high standards have slipped in the last couple of games. He's now gone 3 games without scoring. Shocking

He didn't do much in that match prior to that either. Admit it, our twin towers are a tough challenge for players like Drogba who rely a lot on their physical strenght.

Players like Messi (or Joe Cole) are the better choice against defenders like those.

Yeah, I thought we were good in the air. Then we played Werder Bremen.

You guys seemed to have much more joy in the air in this game than you did at Stamford Bridge for some reason. Maybe it was just because our players weren't trying

blutgraetsche wrote:He didn't do much in that match prior to that either. Admit it, our twin towers are a tough challenge for players like Drogba who rely a lot on their physical strenght.

Players like Messi (or Joe Cole) are the better choice against defenders like those.

I have seen Ayala, mathijsen etc all mark drogba out of games

No, it was because

a) Mertesacker wasn't playing yet, Pasanen did, so we didn't have the twin towers defence in that match yet, and Pasanen was directly responsible for the first goal after a terrible mistake. Naldo was actually very good in the match. Once Merte started playing for us, the match against Barca was his first match, our defence improved considerably.

b) We lacked form in those days, lost a couple of important matches in the league also.