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    Post by COTR Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:31 am

    We need a striker with a chance conversion rate that is over 20 percent. after spending about 50 million on strikers in the past few seasons we haven't been able to find one.

    voronin is free and most certainly won't be the answer.


    next year we need a big money signing to be the clear number one and the other strikers can fight it out to play with him. wouldn't mind keeping crouch as a sub but his first team days will be over next season
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    Post by Kimbo Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:38 am

    Cuddly Tiger wrote:
    Luis wrote:Oh no, you're not a Paul Anderson hyper upper are you Tiger?
    Next big thing Wink

    I think he's been injured a lot this season, and he's too old to play in the FA youth cup now.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTErXIaZhgA
    Average goal, not as good as this.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8nQsrU8S3o

    That's the boy that's going to be spanking you in the youth cup. ok

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    Obispo wrote:Some Norwegian bloke on RAWK thinks tomorrow's papers are going to be filled with headlines about Bellamy twatting Riise with a golf-club Laugh
    It was inevitable, wherever Bellamy goes he drives a wedge between people.

    Not sure it was intended but it made me laugh nonetheless.
    You're "not sure"? Rolling Eyes
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    Post by COTR Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:41 am

    did you watch audley get slaughtered kimbo? Was hilarious

    the fight they have just reshown there now though was incredible
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    Post by Kimbo Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:50 am

    COTR wrote:did you watch audley get slaughtered kimbo? Was hilarious

    the fight they have just reshown there now though was incredible
    I actually missed the punched that did as i realised Boris Johnson was presenting HIGNFY on BBC2, i saw the replay though, it was an alright punch. It just goes to show though that he was never going to be good enough for the top, if someone as shit as Sprott can knock him out then he wouldn't last 2 rounds with the Klits. To think that guy's earned over £1m in boxing. Rolling Eyes

    The Khan fight was rubbish, the ref didn't even give the guy a 10 count. Very strange as he looked like he could continue.

    That other one was brutal though. Yikes
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    Post by Batman Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:50 am

    Luis wrote:I think this Algarve story is set to be in all the papers tomorrow Sad

    embarrasing

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    A FUN sing-song turned into a vicious punch-up as Liverpool ace Craig Bellamy saw red and waded into team-mate John Arne Riise in a drunken rage.

    http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/kop_18.02.07.shtml
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    Post by COTR Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:03 am

    Ill not be trusting the news of the world just yet.

    My guess is it was a drunken row and little else.

    you can just imagine bellamy walking in ready to smash riise's legs over not getting up to sing a song. Smile ridiculous
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    Post by Guest Sun Feb 18, 2007 1:53 am

    Batman wrote:
    Luis wrote:I think this Algarve story is set to be in all the papers tomorrow Sad

    embarrasing

    The Liverpool discussion thread 2006/2007 - Page 15 Kop_header

    A FUN sing-song turned into a vicious punch-up as Liverpool ace Craig Bellamy saw red and waded into team-mate John Arne Riise in a drunken rage.

    http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/kop_18.02.07.shtml
    I'm probably the only Liverpool fan who wants this story to be true. Riise has been in dire defensive form, so maybe Aurelio will be given a game, and also, Bellamy can be sold. Always thought he was a cunt.

    I bet it's totally contrived though.
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    Post by L r d Sun Feb 18, 2007 2:23 am

    Isn't the News of the World just the Sunday Sun.

    To be completely honest, I can't think of a single person who hasn't wanted to smack Riise on his current form. Still completely out of order though. If it's true then one will almost certainly go in the summer, if not both. Rafa's something of a disciplinarian.
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    Post by Owen Thomas Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:18 am

    Obispo wrote:Isn't the News of the World just the Sunday Sun.

    It is actually worse. The entire paper is made up of kiss and tells and crap, pointless stories. There is no news in there at all. The sport pages are made entirely up of speculation, hype and misdirection based on truncated/out of date quotes.
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:25 am

    If there is any truth to this story then I expect to Benitez to sack Bellamy shortly.. He is a tough coach and I am sure that he wont accept this kind of behaviour.
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    Post by GR Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:28 am

    There’s various stories currently flying around about what happened in the Algarve, they all seem pretty astonishing and reports of Bellamy beating Riise with a golf club - although potentially catastrophic - seem like typical media fabrication. Particularly considering the source of several articles and reports.

    We have been sent the following article, which hopefully is found to be the truth;

    According to staff at Monty’s Steak House and Bar, there was no trouble at all.

    We spoke to staff member Valter who informed us that a party of 22 had been at Monty’s and not 15 as had been reported.

    Valter told us: “We have seen what the Record has published but I must tell you that this is a very bad, unrealiable newspaper. It is like your Sun newspaper in England.

    “Reporters from the Record were here at Monty’s and they were annoyed because the Liverpool players refused to speak to them. They wouldn’t talk to these reporters and the club refused to let them film at the training camp. There was a bad feeling from them because the players wouldn’t do interviews.

    “Earlier on Thursday the players came in as routine. They had tables booked for a meal. There were many families and children in Monty’s and all night the players were happy to sign autographs and have their photos taken.

    “After their meal they sang Karaoke in small groups. They even sang songs with some of the kids here. It was a fun night.

    “The management of Liverpool FC including Mr Benitez had gone for a meal at another resort nearby.

    “All night the journalists kept annoying the players. They were very angry because none of the Liverpool players would talk to them or even sign autographs but they would for the families and staff. We had told them about the men from the Reporter and what type of publication it was and to be careful.

    “During the night two Liverpool players (non-English) had an argument. It was nothing. It was just like when a group of men are out joking and telling fun at each other. A glass was dropped, just one glass, and Robbie (Fowler) and Steven (Gerrard) told them to both “shut up” but this was just joking talk, there was no bad feelings and they had the drink replaced. They were still friends. It was nothing and they continued in their group all night.

    “The reporters tried to say that loads of glasses and other things had been broken outside, many glasses, but we have a law here in Portugal which says nobody can drink outside the bar premises. The police were outside the bars as normal and had they seen anyone outside we would have been fined. We would not let anyone, not even famous people, drink outside.

    “Only one glass was broken and this was inside but this happens every night when groups of friends are together. They were no different to any other groups.

    “Word came through to the players that Benitez had finished his meal and was coming back to the resort so their private van came to collect them at around 12.30. They all left together.”

    We asked if any of the players mentioned in the Record’s article had been causing trouble.

    Valter said: “No. Everyone was good. I don’t know all the names but I know Fowler, Gerrard and Crouch. Fowler was one of the first to leave in the first trip. These players were all happy. It was a good night.

    “I have spoken to friends at Barringtons (apartment complex where the players are staying) and they said there was no trouble. They said the players weren’t loud because Benitez was with them when they returned.”

    It was pointed out to Valter that both establishments could simply be covering something up, which he understood but he added that his manager would be following the Record’s claims up.

    He said: “My manager is not here yet but he is furious. Publishing lies is not good for Liverpool players but it’s also not good for our business to say these things when it is not true. I do know that he is contacting the Record for an apology.

    “What they have said is not true and I have no problem if you want to use my name because I know the truth is on the cameras (CCTV).

    “The journalists are just angry with Liverpool FC and want to create lies.

    “Liverpool players are welcome here anytime. They have been brilliant.”

    A source at Barringtons who wouldn’t give their name denied that there had been any problems at the complex and that had there been, all guests in the party would have been removed.

    She said: “Everyone here is the same. If a group misbehaves then security would remove them. It doesn’t matter if you are famous like an actor or footballer. Everyone would be asked to leave if trouble happened.”
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    Post by Luis Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:24 am

    Perhaps it will all be proved to be false and Bellamy will score against Barca on Wednesday only to do a swinging golf club celebration..
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    Post by L r d Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:30 am

    Or perhaps the gobshite will fuck off in the summer and take that toilet-brush haired, inner-city chav with him. Back to the Newcastle ghetto you go. Fucking Cardiff fans...
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    Post by Luis Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:34 am

    Too harsh Obi, I believe Craig is 100% innocent, i really do
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    Post by L r d Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:35 am

    You also believe the sun shines out of his arse though.


    One chance Luis. If he's cocked it up he can fuck right off. He's not the sort of quality that's irreplacable.
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    Post by Guest Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:35 am

    The Grim Reaper wrote:There’s various stories currently flying around about what happened in the Algarve, they all seem pretty astonishing and reports of Bellamy beating Riise with a golf club - although potentially catastrophic - seem like typical media fabrication. Particularly considering the source of several articles and reports.

    We have been sent the following article, which hopefully is found to be the truth;

    According to staff at Monty’s Steak House and Bar, there was no trouble at all.

    We spoke to staff member Valter who informed us that a party of 22 had been at Monty’s and not 15 as had been reported.

    Valter told us: “We have seen what the Record has published but I must tell you that this is a very bad, unrealiable newspaper. It is like your Sun newspaper in England.

    “Reporters from the Record were here at Monty’s and they were annoyed because the Liverpool players refused to speak to them. They wouldn’t talk to these reporters and the club refused to let them film at the training camp. There was a bad feeling from them because the players wouldn’t do interviews.

    “Earlier on Thursday the players came in as routine. They had tables booked for a meal. There were many families and children in Monty’s and all night the players were happy to sign autographs and have their photos taken.

    “After their meal they sang Karaoke in small groups. They even sang songs with some of the kids here. It was a fun night.

    “The management of Liverpool FC including Mr Benitez had gone for a meal at another resort nearby.

    “All night the journalists kept annoying the players. They were very angry because none of the Liverpool players would talk to them or even sign autographs but they would for the families and staff. We had told them about the men from the Reporter and what type of publication it was and to be careful.

    “During the night two Liverpool players (non-English) had an argument. It was nothing. It was just like when a group of men are out joking and telling fun at each other. A glass was dropped, just one glass, and Robbie (Fowler) and Steven (Gerrard) told them to both “shut up” but this was just joking talk, there was no bad feelings and they had the drink replaced. They were still friends. It was nothing and they continued in their group all night.

    “The reporters tried to say that loads of glasses and other things had been broken outside, many glasses, but we have a law here in Portugal which says nobody can drink outside the bar premises. The police were outside the bars as normal and had they seen anyone outside we would have been fined. We would not let anyone, not even famous people, drink outside.

    “Only one glass was broken and this was inside but this happens every night when groups of friends are together. They were no different to any other groups.

    “Word came through to the players that Benitez had finished his meal and was coming back to the resort so their private van came to collect them at around 12.30. They all left together.”

    We asked if any of the players mentioned in the Record’s article had been causing trouble.

    Valter said: “No. Everyone was good. I don’t know all the names but I know Fowler, Gerrard and Crouch. Fowler was one of the first to leave in the first trip. These players were all happy. It was a good night.

    “I have spoken to friends at Barringtons (apartment complex where the players are staying) and they said there was no trouble. They said the players weren’t loud because Benitez was with them when they returned.”

    It was pointed out to Valter that both establishments could simply be covering something up, which he understood but he added that his manager would be following the Record’s claims up.

    He said: “My manager is not here yet but he is furious. Publishing lies is not good for Liverpool players but it’s also not good for our business to say these things when it is not true. I do know that he is contacting the Record for an apology.

    “What they have said is not true and I have no problem if you want to use my name because I know the truth is on the cameras (CCTV).

    “The journalists are just angry with Liverpool FC and want to create lies.

    “Liverpool players are welcome here anytime. They have been brilliant.”

    A source at Barringtons who wouldn’t give their name denied that there had been any problems at the complex and that had there been, all guests in the party would have been removed.

    She said: “Everyone here is the same. If a group misbehaves then security would remove them. It doesn’t matter if you are famous like an actor or footballer. Everyone would be asked to leave if trouble happened.”
    Source?
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:36 am

    Doesn't change the fact that he isn't good enough for a top level club though..
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    Post by L r d Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:36 am

    Cuddly Tiger wrote:Source?

    This is Anfield, I think.
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    Post by Luis Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:36 am

    Obispo wrote:You also believe the sun shines out of his arse though.


    One chance Luis. If he's cocked it up he can fuck right off. He's not the sort of quality that's irreplacable.

    If he is proven guilty then there are no excuses simple as, however the same should go for Fowler, Dudek and Pennant
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    Post by Luis Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:37 am

    Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:Doesn't change the fact that he isn't good enough for a top level club though..

    When he starts he seems to score, If he played every game he'd have a lot more goals, definately, I still think he is good enough for Liverpool
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    Post by L r d Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:37 am

    Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:Doesn't change the fact that he isn't good enough for a top level club though..

    His goal record last season suggested that he warranted a chance though. Would you have turned down Diego Milito last summer?
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    Post by Parks lives Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:39 am

    It shows Bellamy is not very clever after all. I mean a 9 iron is probably the club going to do the least damage. Should of gone for a 3 iron or a wood.
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:40 am

    Obispo wrote:
    Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:Doesn't change the fact that he isn't good enough for a top level club though..

    His goal record last season suggested that he warranted a chance though. Would you have turned down Diego Milito last summer?

    Yes I would have turned Milito down..

    But I am very surprised by Benitez signings.. spending a lot of money (much more than us) on quantity rather than quality. What's the point? It is not as if you can play with 14 players just because you have a large squad..
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    Post by L r d Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:45 am

    Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:
    Obispo wrote:
    Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:Doesn't change the fact that he isn't good enough for a top level club though..

    His goal record last season suggested that he warranted a chance though. Would you have turned down Diego Milito last summer?

    Yes I would have turned Milito down..

    But I am very surprised by Benitez signings.. spending a lot of money (much more than us) on quantity rather than quality. What's the point? It is not as if you can play with 14 players just because you have a large squad..

    It's because we desperately needed pace upfront, a link man who could score (so sadly, not Nando) and a right-winger. Oh, and a pacey left-winger and better leftback.

    That's the thing; he could have spent big on a single player last summer but that would be useless if the quality was still poor in other areas. Let's be honest, even working on a tight budget, Pennant was never more than 2nd choice last summer (and about 6th choice overall).

    In retrospect it would have been better just to spend big on Alves and keep Sinama for the season but at the time people were fairly content. Bellamy had just had his best season in terms of goal-scoring ratio and Pennant had statistically proved to be the best crosser in the premiership.

    Like you say, you can't play with 14 players, but if you have injuries all over the pitch, it's better to have 2 players in every position.
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    Post by Luis Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:46 am

    Benitez brought in Bellamy and Pennant for sheer pace, we lacked pace in the squad, and they are young, exciting players to watch, yes it was a gamble because of their reputation and to many its backfired on Rafa but I still think both can go on to have decent careers at Liverpool if the fans would get off thier back
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:49 am

    I understand that you need back ups in case of injuries, but if you consider yourselves a big club it still doesn't explain why you keep on signing all these decent, but not great, players.. This is football manager and you can't just hope that some of the signings magically become great. You need quality and experience rather than prospects if you want to compete with the best.
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    Post by L r d Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:55 am

    Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:I understand that you need back ups in case of injuries, but if you consider yourselves a big club it still doesn't explain why you keep on signing all these decent, but not great, players.. This is football manager and you can't just hope that some of the signings magically become great. You need quality and experience rather than prospects if you want to compete with the best.

    Quality costs more though and like you say "this isn't football manager". We simply haven't had the cash available.

    Do you know what our most expensive signing ever is? Djibril Cisse at £14m.

    I don't think we need to go into comparison's with the Mancs and Chelsea here about how many players they've spent more than that on. Infact, they've both spent double that on a few players. If we could afford low-risk, guarenteed quality, then we probably would have gone for them. We're working on a budget and more often than not have to rely on Rafa's ability to improve a player - which to be honest, up until this season, had been doing alright for us.
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:58 am

    Obispo wrote:
    Oleguerisntthatbad wrote:I understand that you need back ups in case of injuries, but if you consider yourselves a big club it still doesn't explain why you keep on signing all these decent, but not great, players.. This is football manager and you can't just hope that some of the signings magically become great. You need quality and experience rather than prospects if you want to compete with the best.

    Quality costs more though and like you say "this isn't football manager". We simply haven't had the cash available.

    Do you know what our most expensive signing ever is? Djibril Cisse at £14m.

    I don't think we need to go into comparison's with the Mancs and Chelsea here about how many players they've spent more than that on. Infact, they've both spent double that on a few players. If we could afford low-risk, guarenteed quality, then we probably would have gone for them. We're working on a budget and more often than not have to rely on Rafa's ability to improve a player - which to be honest, up until this season, had been doing alright for us.

    Well I guess that you are simply to small to compete then if you don't have money available.. My suggestion would be to sell Gerrard or Xabi to RM and then use the money to sign 2 quality players, because Benitez is not a miracleworker and won't be able to win you the league with all these mediocre players..
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    Post by L r d Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:03 pm

    You're not going to push my buttons Oli Razz not in a world where "too small to compete" ='s "over twice as successful in Europe as Barcelona" Razz

    We have investment now, which we've been trying to attain for 3 years. That's designed to make us competitive on the transfer market. Don't be too upset with yourself when we come and steal Dos Santos and Eto'o in the summer Wink
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    Post by Oleguerisntthatbad Sun Feb 18, 2007 12:08 pm

    Obispo wrote:You're not going to push my buttons Oli Razz not in a world where "too small to compete" ='s "over twice as successful in Europe as Barcelona" Razz

    We have investment now, which we've been trying to attain for 3 years. That's designed to make us competitive on the transfer market. Don't be too upset with yourself when we come and steal Dos Santos and Eto'o in the summer Wink

    You are an excellent cup team but hardly a championship favourite.. I don't think you will be able to win the league any time soon with the current transfer policy. And as for Eto'o and Dos Santos then that is about as likely as us signing Cech, Terry and Drogs..

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