Real Madrid Vs Bayern Munich .

Effenberg wrote:
Either way, I'd still put money on it that the winner of this tie is going out in the quarters. You can't walk through the CL knockout stages playing like this.

I don't know why Bayern and Real fans are so pessimistic about this. Actually, I believe that whoever wins this tie is going to get far in the competition, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest at least. Both clubs have experienced coaches, and despite their rather disappointing seasons in their domestic leagues, both teams have shown repeatedly that they are able to rise to the occasion, Bayern in the CL (e.g. against Inter), and Real against Barca a few months ago, for example.

Cannavaro is a farse. If he is not going to mark anybody then what else is he on the pitch for, to smile at the cameras? Terrible clearance by Raul Bravo (no surprise there) on the goal by van Bommel as well. I think Effenberg said in an earlier post that if Bayern could have defended they would have won the match easily, well I say the same thing for us. Giving Lucio free headers and van Bommel wide open shots from distance is no way to win the Champions League.

Beckham was very good tonight, easily his best game this season. Really worked hard and provided great delivery on the last two goals. Raul and Helguera, after I got done saying that their time was up at Real Madrid earlier in the day, proved me wrong. Great performances by both, van Nistelrooy too. Top through pass on the first goal by Raul. Roberto Carlos played an excellent game too.

I thought Higuain was rather subdued...until he came off. When Robinho went on it was like we were playing with 10. This poor kid has really lost his way.

Good work for the most part from Guti and Gago although a couple of times they tried to make some complicated passes and gave the ball away putting us under pressure but for the most part they were great. Certainly better than having Grandad in there.

I suppose being up by one is better than being down by one after the first leg at home but I don't see us winning in Munich nor scoring two. Hopefully we can manage a 1-1 but I'm doubtful. I suspect it will be 2-1 and Bayern on to the quarters...

Effenberg wrote:Just back from the stadium. Not sure what some people here saw. Maybe it all looks different on TV.

If we were only halfway decent on defense we'd have won this one easily. The first three balls in our box were goals.

Some German websites actually say Kahn was the best player. What? The first two were his mistakes. That would never have happened two years ago. Running around like a decapitated chicken!

Madrid were really not very good, but they started full of energy. That plus our terrible defense was enough. But we fought back and in the last half hour it was just a matter of time till we scored. Pizarro should've had one. Nice game by him and Scholl as well. (BTW, why don't we have a left-foot to play on the left side?)

I really don't see why we shouldn't go through. Either way, I'd still put money on it that the winner of this tie is going out in the quarters. You can't walk through the CL knockout stages playing like this.

Best players: Hargreaves, Pizarro / Beckham, Raul

EVERYONE was SHITE for Bayern UNTIL Pizarro went in. Surprised you picked Hargreaves as having a good game. It was as if he wasn't playing in the first 60 minutes, not just him but the whole team. Pizarro Bayern's top man EASILY. Some of you let me down with your football "appreciation/observation".

bluenine wrote: Good summary.... thats the game I saw. A game of 2 halves actually, first half I thot beckham was the best player (inspite of rauls 2 goals), and in the second, it was Pizarro - he turned the game when he came on!

The best moment of the game was the save Cassillas pulled off Pizarro!!! Did it look as unbelievable from the stadium as well??

Casillas made a fantastic save on Pizarro's shot no doubt. I can't believe Hitzfeld leaving Pizarro on the bench when he has scored all the money goals for Bayern!

Effenberg wrote:It seemed impossible to miss. Goals are really rather large and for a striker not to make this shot is pretty sad. Still, kudos to Pizarro. He gave us some much-needed energy.

Yeah Podolski would've made it.

kas wrote:Capello said his team got scared in the 2nd half.

I wonder who's fault that is

They were shitting their pants in the last 30 minutes. Bayern was a completely different team with Pizarro in there. I hope Pizarro leaves Bayern for Valencia, Sevilla or Juventus after this season. He'll never be appreciated by some Bayern fuckos AHEM! fans.

Defensively, Cannavaro was much better than your other defenders... helguera, torres, bravo, even carlos..... I remember some trademark stuff, the low header clearance, the controlling of the ball off his thigh, etc...

A good defender DOES NOT make a good defence.... it does not work that ways.... you guys need a partnersip.... Cannavaro needs a regular top quality partner in teh centre of teh defence.

Also, I have noticed that Real fans rarely appreciate a good defensive performance.... if a defender makes runs to help the attack, he is a great defender... thats silly.

Jaime wrote:Cannavaro is a farse. If he is not going to mark anybody then what else is he on the pitch for, to smile at the cameras? Terrible clearance by Raul Bravo (no surprise there) on the goal by van Bommel as well. I think Effenberg said in an earlier post that if Bayern could have defended they would have won the match easily, well I say the same thing for us. Giving Lucio free headers and van Bommel wide open shots from distance is no way to win the Champions League.

@Puro - no comment on Beckham's display then? He had a very good game.

Maybe he might be more appreciated by your fellow Americans than he is from you when he plays in the MLS? heh heh

You're right- Pizarro influenced Bayern's comeback- dont be too harsh on their fans though, he is after all competing with the golden boy of German football, its not a suprise where their loyalties will lie

Pizza changed the match for me but by then Real decided that 3-1 was enough and didnt bother to cross the half way line , Hargy was everywhere.
Our defence just doesnt work , I would just play Demi till Ismael is back and I think its time for Kahn to sit out and let a very talented keeper like Rensing have a chance.

For Real ,Becks is proving alot of people wrong , I thought Ruud and Raul had good games as well.

The game changed at half time with the substitution of Demichelis for Salihamidzic. Hargreaves moved into a central role with van Bommel and we were solid. The double negative of Hargreaves and Demichelis in the first half made real look better than they were.

We should have at least drawn the game, which we would have deserved.

The second half was not about Real defending and taking their foot off the pedal, it was about Bayern being more balanced in their forward movement and stable in defence/midfield.

bluenine wrote:Defensively, Cannavaro was much better than your other defenders... helguera, torres, bravo, even carlos..... I remember some trademark stuff, the low header clearance, the controlling of the ball off his thigh, etc...

A good defender DOES NOT make a good defence.... it does not work that ways.... you guys need a partnersip.... Cannavaro needs a regular top quality partner in teh centre of teh defence.

Also, I have noticed that Real fans rarely appreciate a good defensive performance.... if a defender makes runs to help the attack, he is a great defender... thats silly.

Jaime wrote:Cannavaro is a farse. If he is not going to mark anybody then what else is he on the pitch for, to smile at the cameras? Terrible clearance by Raul Bravo (no surprise there) on the goal by van Bommel as well. I think Effenberg said in an earlier post that if Bayern could have defended they would have won the match easily, well I say the same thing for us. Giving Lucio free headers and van Bommel wide open shots from distance is no way to win the Champions League.

I understand that you are going to stick up for Cannavaro but he was marking absolutely nobody on Lucio's goal.

Cannavaro is past it, was saying as much when you lot signed him!

Him winning WPOTY was a huge joke, based only on 7 games. Not many people are laughing now

another Bayern-Real classic

4 goals in the first 45 minutes

beat that Chelsea/Liverpool/Arsenil/ManPoo

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Bayern were indeed quite poor in the first 45 minutes though; they were so nervous and unimaginative; all they lack is confidence; getting their arses whipped by Aachen, Nuremberg and Co has thrown them a bit

Schweini, Poldi and Lahm are a shadow of their former selves

Kahn should get his bus-pass; he is way past it

Pizarro has indeed always been good to Bayern ; it's such a pity that he has fallen out with Rummenigge over pay; once that happens, the Bayern boss just rubbishes your name in the press and fans start to fall out of love with you (same happened to Ballack)

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Bayern now have to sort out their defence; van Buyten and Lucio are excellent players but not compatible

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Becks was actually Real's best player; then again, he is playing to continue playing + he is fighting for his reputation; once he is in the USA he can score hattricks every game and nobody in Europe will give a toss

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the tie is still way open

marginal favourites should be Real though

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agree with blut: whoever wins this tie, has every chance of going all the way; the confidence boost will be enormous; both teams have good players and merely need to settle

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the football shown by many of the other sides yesterday was equally disappointing at times

now let's hope that Arsenal , Chelsea , Liverpool and ManPoo get a full load over the coming weeks and leave the football to clubs that appreciate it

ottOld Shatterhand wrote:
Schweini, Poldi and Lahm are a shadow of their former selves

Translation : the German internationals were rubbish...as usual, while one Dutchie who isn't good enough for Oranje created and scored a goal against Germany's finest.

...and you had to depend on another Dutchie who isn't good enough for Oranje to bail you out

Ha ha ha, Otto at his brilliant best. ManPoo is a new one

ottOld Shatterhand wrote:

Schweini, Poldi and Lahm are a shadow of their former selves

now let's hope that Arsenal , Chelsea , Liverpool and ManPoo get a full load over the coming weeks and leave the football to clubs that appreciate it

The gernans are showing there true colours after over performing in the WC.

Real Madrid couldnt score a goal in la Liga, they play Bayern and score 3 in 45 minutes.

German football really is awful, cant wait until the QF when they will be no German team in the CL. It will be left to Ballack to fly the German flag;a overarated, washed out midfielder, who looks like a lost child when playing with superior players, avoiding the football because he isnt as good as Lumpard

Axeslammer wrote:

ottOld Shatterhand wrote:
Schweini, Poldi and Lahm are a shadow of their former selves

Translation : the German internationals were rubbish...as usual, while one Dutchie who isn't good enough for Oranje created and scored a goal against Germany's finest.

...and you had to depend on another Dutchie who isn't good enough for Oranje to bail you out

@ axe

don't get too cocky here

remember: the team with the LOWEST NUMBER OF DUCHIES WON

what does that tell us ???

maybe, if Bayern really want to take off they have to throw Nederlandish ballast over board; just an idea

ottOld Shatterhand wrote:

@ axe

don't get too cocky here

remember: the team with the LOWEST NUMBER OF DUCHIES WON

what does that tell us ???

maybe, if Bayern really want to take off they have to throw Nederlandish ballast over board; just an idea

Let me guess :

1) the TEAM WITH THE MOST GERMANS LOST

7 goals scored last night :

2 by a Dutchman, 0 by a German

4 clean sheets last night

1 Dutch goalie => 1 clean sheet, 2 German goalies => 0 clean sheets

1 Dutch team played => it won, 1 German team played => it lost

The best young striker *ever* (if we were so stupid as to believe you) was so good that he had to be replaced after scoring.....wait......wait !.....that's it : *NO* goals yet again.

So it means both countries had an average night ?

Also: assist Van Nistelrooy (lrd Do you see that )

Rez wrote:

ottOld Shatterhand wrote:

Schweini, Poldi and Lahm are a shadow of their former selves

now let's hope that Arsenal , Chelsea , Liverpool and ManPoo get a full load over the coming weeks and leave the football to clubs that appreciate it

The gernans are showing there true colours after over performing in the WC.



Real Madrid couldnt score a goal in la Liga, they play Bayern and score 3 in 45 minutes.



German football really is awful, cant wait until the QF when they will be no German team in the CL. It will be left to Ballack to fly the German flag;a overarated, washed out midfielder, who looks like a lost child when playing with superior players, avoiding the football because he isnt as good as Lumpard

hahaha what a joke

we all know lahm, schweini and poldi can do very very better, only look at the group stages, but atm all three out of form


and what about bremen, there playing 7--8 germans in starting 11, they destroyed chelsea and barca^^

and are the current top team in the uefa cup

and dont forget we are the best team side in the world at the moment, so stfu

stfu?

shut the fuck up

Ok.

Rez wrote:
The gernans are showing there true colours after over performing in the WC.



Real Madrid couldnt score a goal in la Liga, they play Bayern and score 3 in 45 minutes.



German football really is awful, cant wait until the QF when they will be no German team in the CL. It will be left to Ballack to fly the German flag;a overarated, washed out midfielder, who looks like a lost child when playing with superior players, avoiding the football because he isnt as good as Lumpard

Coming from an Englishman whose team had shown some of the worst, most boring football at the WC ever. If German football is "awful", English football is nonexistent, and it did get even worse after McClaren took over, who would have thought that to be possible. If you talk about nations, you talk about national teams, and not about the clubs that often consist of foreign players.

I seriously hope that England qualifies for the 2008 EC, and I hope to meet you in the QF. Furthermore, I hope that we won't thrash you, but take it to the penalties, just to see the balls of your overrated superstars to shrink to the size of peanuts. Again.

1-5 in munich

Deisler wrote:

Rez wrote:

ottOld Shatterhand wrote:

Schweini, Poldi and Lahm are a shadow of their former selves

now let's hope that Arsenal , Chelsea , Liverpool and ManPoo get a full load over the coming weeks and leave the football to clubs that appreciate it

The gernans are showing there true colours after over performing in the WC.



Real Madrid couldnt score a goal in la Liga, they play Bayern and score 3 in 45 minutes.



German football really is awful, cant wait until the QF when they will be no German team in the CL. It will be left to Ballack to fly the German flag;a overarated, washed out midfielder, who looks like a lost child when playing with superior players, avoiding the football because he isnt as good as Lumpard

hahaha what a joke

we all know lahm, schweini and poldi can do very very better, only look at the group stages, but atm all three out of form


and what about bremen, there playing 7--8 germans in starting 11, they destroyed chelsea and barca^^

and are the current top team in the uefa cup

and dont forget we are the best team side in the world at the moment, so stfu

Lahm maybe, the rest our overateted.

Chelsea let Bremen win to piss of Barca, as for destroying Barca, if getting one point from 2 games and being completely dominated in one of the encounters I would hate to see how you would describe a heavy deafet like, say 5-1?

uefa Cup is rubbish, the top teams dont bother with it.

Best team side in what, penalty shoot outs?

Rez wrote:
Best team side in what, penalty shoot outs?

Handball, it's apparently a big thing in Germany...

you lost at home against spain

spainnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn and at home


what the hell is wrong with your team

i know it, its rubbish

L r d wrote:1-5 in munich

1970, 1990 and especially 1996. Andi 'Heulsuse' Möller made himself immortal with that celebration at the end.

Deisler wrote:you lost at home against spain

spainnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn and at home


what the hell is wrong with you team

i know it, its rubbish

you lost to england at home 1-5 in munich