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Kuyt V Berbatov V Martins
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Kuyt V Berbatov V Oba, whos been the best signing ?
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Kimbo wrote:Was there really any point in putting Martins in this poll? Even if he played like fucking Ronaldo he would still come last.
will be interesting to hear the rationale behind this one
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Thats like saying Luis would say Bellamy is nice chap after attacking someone with a golf club
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wait. one. second.
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People vote for Kuyt because he's a Liverpool player and he's dutch, even though he's probably the worst out of the 3. Berbatov has the London hype behind him so the likes of Tweedle etc have voted for him(totally forgetting he only has 6 league goals), this got him off to a good start and made him closest to Kuyt, so all the Manc fans vote for him because they don't want to see a Pool player win the poll. Thus creating a 2 'orse race.COTR wrote:Kimbo wrote:Was there really any point in putting Martins in this poll? Even if he played like fucking Ronaldo he would still come last.
lwill be interesting to hear the rationale behind this one
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Berbatov has London hype 
Dont be so stupid Kimbo....
Dont be so stupid Kimbo....
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Kimbo, you shoul work as an advisor for the PM, you're brilliant at manipulating statistics to make them suit you
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It's the same old story with Spurs players. Before him we had the Huddlestone hype, before him Lennon, before him Dawson, King, Robinson, Defoe - All tipped to be the best. We had the same thing with West Ham players, Anton etc. Fuck me, i think i saw Anton taking part in cage match with Ronaldo, Rio, Rooney etc.Deaño-WHUFC wrote:Berbatov has London hype
Konchesky got a couple of England caps, look how hard Barry has to work to get one and Konchesky gets one just like that. Even Shorey, a player twice as talented, will never even get a sniff. Then there's Etherington, once tipped to play on the left for England, Milner hasn't even had a sniff. I could go on, trust me. 
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Tweedle wrote:Kimbo, you shoul work as an advisor for the PM, you're brilliant at bullshitting statistics to make them suit you
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Kimbo wrote:It's the same old story with Spurs players. Before him we had the Huddlestone hype, before him Lennon, before him Dawson, King, Robinson, Defoe - All tipped to be the best. We had the same thing with West Ham players, Anton etc. Fuck me, i think i saw Anton taking part in cage match with Ronaldo, Rio, Rooney etc.Deaño-WHUFC wrote:Berbatov has London hype
Anton Ferdinand is decent....you only dislike him and Dawson because no one else credits Taylor...same with Lennon and Milner....Milner is good, but isn't as good as Lennon. Etherington was a great player but gambling habits have effected his pitch antics...
Milner was tipped to become a decent player when he was at Lennon's age...
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I don't dislike them atall, i just find it sickening that very few people outside Newcastle consider Taylor a proper prospect. And people keep tellling me Lennon is better than Milner but they've yet to give me any real reasons, all i've heard is "x-factor".Deaño-WHUFC wrote:Kimbo wrote:It's the same old story with Spurs players. Before him we had the Huddlestone hype, before him Lennon, before him Dawson, King, Robinson, Defoe - All tipped to be the best. We had the same thing with West Ham players, Anton etc. Fuck me, i think i saw Anton taking part in cage match with Ronaldo, Rio, Rooney etc.Deaño-WHUFC wrote:Berbatov has London hype
Anton Ferdinand is decent....you only dislike him and Dawson because no one else credits Taylor...same with Lennon and Milner....Milner is good, but isn't as good as Lennon. Etherington was a great player but gambling habits have effected his pitch antics...
Milner was tipped to become a decent player when he was at Lennon's age...
Milner was Lennon's age last season, when he was getting one of the highest assist tallys in the league with Villa. He onlly turned 21 a few weeks ago.
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Kimbo, your after the guilt trip here, its absolutely ridiculous to suggest nobody outside Newcastle gives Taylor or Milner credit. Mourinho himself recently praised Taylor, in the England u21 set up hes our most solid defender, as for Milner hes an exciting player, his shooting this season has come on a little as a result making him more effective. The reason Lennon is considered a greater prospect is because at his tender age hes showing end product already, and if you know anything about defending in football you will know that pace is the one thing defenders hate the most, so you couple his pace with some end product and the sky becomes the limited if he can obtain a certain consistancy.
If it makes you sleep any better i'd have Milner and Taylor at Liverpool, however i'd have Lennon and King over them both.
If it makes you sleep any better i'd have Milner and Taylor at Liverpool, however i'd have Lennon and King over them both.
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Tweedle wrote:This poll is a joke.
All the Liverpool and Dutch posters (ie most of the board) have voted for Kuyt.
The lack of Newcastle, Nigerian, Spurs and Bulgarian posters is really hampering the legitimacy of this poll.
Oh dear go tell someone who cares
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Believe me, very few people rate him. Most people just assume he's a "joke" along with Bramble, Ramage etc. On another forum there was a thread asking about everyones U23 team in the premiership, 3 people chose Taylor and 2 of them were Newcastle fans. Alot of people were picking Anton and Dawson, and even Cahill from Villa.Football Genius wrote:Kimbo, your after the guilt trip here, its absolutely ridiculous to suggest nobody outside Newcastle gives Taylor or Milner credit. Mourinho himself recently praised Taylor, in the England u21 set up hes our most solid defender, as for Milner hes an exciting player, his shooting this season has come on a little as a result making him more effective. The reason Lennon is considered a greater prospect is because at his tender age hes showing end product already, and if you know anything about defending in football you will know that pace is the one thing defenders hate the most, so you couple his pace with some end product and the sky becomes the limited if he can obtain a certain consistancy.
If it makes you sleep any better i'd have Milner and Taylor at Liverpool, however i'd have Lennon and King over them both.
In general he's not really considered a good prospect in England, despite captaining England at every level up to U21, being our best defender for the U21s and his form at Newcastle. If you were me how would you explain this? Hype for Anton, Dawson and co is the only plausible explanation i can think off. There is a pattern when it comes to players at London clubs, this can't be denied.
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All those players are more or less on the same level currently, berbatov being slightly better than the other 2. When u consider Age, fees and potential, then martins wins it( he has really changed the way i used to think of him), but i personally prefer berbatov as a player.
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OH BOY.
On Oba-Goal - I'm a huge fan. people talk about his electric pace and brutal strength, but that covers up what is a very good all-round player, he's got a great shot with either foot, and a massive leap on him. He has also got great pieces of subtlety too. If it weren't for him (and Dyer), Newcastle would be in lower midtable.
Kuyt the Mark Hughes of the New Millenium. He's got a lot more to him than just "work-rate". He's the all-round forward that Gerrard (and hopefully) Bellamy will thrive off. He can beat up a back-line and see a pass, and is a decent, if not lethal finisher, but his all round games makes up for that.
Berbatov - TRWP is right when he says the style of play in the EPL is far more suited to the other 2 forwards than the Bulgarian. If Kuyt is a latterday version of Mark Hughes, then I reckon Berbatov is Teddy Sheringham 15 years on. He hasd yeat to make a great impact away from home in the Prem though, even though he's been brilliant in our home & european matches. This has been Highlighted by Mido's impact in certain away matches, like the Blackburn, Fulham at the weekend and the League cup Semi.
Because of this, I'd go for Martins, because of what he has meant to his club so far.
On Oba-Goal - I'm a huge fan. people talk about his electric pace and brutal strength, but that covers up what is a very good all-round player, he's got a great shot with either foot, and a massive leap on him. He has also got great pieces of subtlety too. If it weren't for him (and Dyer), Newcastle would be in lower midtable.
Kuyt the Mark Hughes of the New Millenium. He's got a lot more to him than just "work-rate". He's the all-round forward that Gerrard (and hopefully) Bellamy will thrive off. He can beat up a back-line and see a pass, and is a decent, if not lethal finisher, but his all round games makes up for that.
Berbatov - TRWP is right when he says the style of play in the EPL is far more suited to the other 2 forwards than the Bulgarian. If Kuyt is a latterday version of Mark Hughes, then I reckon Berbatov is Teddy Sheringham 15 years on. He hasd yeat to make a great impact away from home in the Prem though, even though he's been brilliant in our home & european matches. This has been Highlighted by Mido's impact in certain away matches, like the Blackburn, Fulham at the weekend and the League cup Semi.
Because of this, I'd go for Martins, because of what he has meant to his club so far.
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TeamSpiritwrote:OH BOY.
On Oba-Goal - I'm a huge fan. people talk about his electric pace and brutal strength, but that covers up what is a very good all-round player, he's got a great shot with either foot, and a massive leap on him. He has also got great pieces of subtlety too. If it weren't for him (and Dyer), Newcastle would be in lower midtable.
Kuyt the Mark Hughes of the New Millenium. He's got a lot more to him than just "work-rate". He's the all-round forward that Gerrard (and hopefully) Bellamy will thrive off. He can beat up a back-line and see a pass, and is a decent, if not lethal finisher, but his all round games makes up for that.
Berbatov - TRWP is right when he says the style of play in the EPL is far more suited to the other 2 forwards than the Bulgarian. If Kuyt is a latterday version of Mark Hughes, then I reckon Berbatov is Teddy Sheringham 15 years on. He hasd yeat to make a great impact away from home in the Prem though, even though he's been brilliant in our home & european matches. This has been Highlighted by Mido's impact in certain away matches, like the Blackburn, Fulham at the weekend and the League cup Semi.
Because of this, I'd go for Martins, because of what he has meant to his club so far.
@TS,
There's been a lot of bias in the picks so far.
so I'm assuming you're picking Martins cos he's black?
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The Real White Powder wrote:TeamSpirit
On Oba-Goal - I'm a huge fan. people talk about his electric pace and brutal strength, but that covers up what is a very good all-round player, he's got a great shot with either foot, and a massive leap on him. He has also got great pieces of subtlety too. If it weren't for him (and Dyer), Newcastle would be in lower midtable.
Kuyt the Mark Hughes of the New Millenium. He's got a lot more to him than just "work-rate". He's the all-round forward that Gerrard (and hopefully) Bellamy will thrive off. He can beat up a back-line and see a pass, and is a decent, if not lethal finisher, but his all round games makes up for that.
Berbatov - TRWP is right when he says the style of play in the EPL is far more suited to the other 2 forwards than the Bulgarian. If Kuyt is a latterday version of Mark Hughes, then I reckon Berbatov is Teddy Sheringham 15 years on. He hasd yeat to make a great impact away from home in the Prem though, even though he's been brilliant in our home & european matches. This has been Highlighted by Mido's impact in certain away matches, like the Blackburn, Fulham at the weekend and the League cup Semi.
Because of this, I'd go for Martins, because of what he has meant to his club so far.
@TS,
There's been a lot of bias in the picks so far.
so I'm assuming you're picking Martins cos he's black?
Not really. Nigerians are seen as arrogant twats in West Africa, similar to the way the Jamaicans are viewed in the Carribean.
Similar to a Scottish or a Welsh person refusing to vote for a an English player on that same basis
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Yes Kimmy, I'm being serious.
And on that FUCKING STUPID London Hype thing - How come Milner cost you lot £5m and Lennon cost us £1m... despite them both coming from the same club? It can't be hype, can it?
Last season we were viewed as a group of Young english players making a direct challenge on the top 4. That's why so many of our players have been linked with the England squad.
Huddlestone is seen as a continental-style CM... like Carrick, that's why he's been linked with the England squad.
Anton is over-rated because of who his brother is. I admit that Dawson won't be Intl. Class, and he's not half the player witout King alongside him.
Taylor was really hyped when he 1st came on the scene - When you lot were doing $hit last season, every hack was talking about the impact his loss to injury was having on you.
Konchesky got called up when he looked a decent youngster at Charlton. Shorey's been in the EPL, what, 6 months?
Paul Robinson has been $hit this season. Given is decent-to-good, but he gets his cock blown on a par with Terry, gerrard et. al in the press. He's not inb the class of Lehmann, Reina, Jussi & VDS, let alone Cech.
Get over it.
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1) Milner was £3.8m rising to £5m, and we had to pay more because A) He is a better player and B) He still had 4 years on his contract so Leeds were in a strong position to negotiate.
2) That's bollocks about Taylor, he's never been hyped by the national press, he's barely had a mention. Even when he first broke the first team at 18.
3) Disagree about Given ofcourse, i can't see any of those keepers earning us fook knows how many points season after season.
2) That's bollocks about Taylor, he's never been hyped by the national press, he's barely had a mention. Even when he first broke the first team at 18.
3) Disagree about Given ofcourse, i can't see any of those keepers earning us fook knows how many points season after season.
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Paul Robinson has been $hit this season. Given is decent-to-good, but he gets his cock blown on a par with Terry, gerrard et. al in the press. He's not inb the class of Lehmann, Reina, Jussi & VDS, let alone Cech.
Agree with you TS. Given is a good shot stopper but shit at crosses but no one in the press mentions it, however if he weren't from the British Isles you'd see pundits say in the pre-match analysis that they have to test the goalkeeper with crosses and how dodgy they are
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Because it's not true, it's not the strongest part of his game but he's still better than most at it. When he comes for it 9 times out of 10 he will get it. His kicking is probably the worst part of his game, if you're going to nitpick you should pick on that.Samba de Baiano wrote:TeamSpirit
Paul Robinson has been $hit this season. Given is decent-to-good, but he gets his cock blown on a par with Terry, gerrard et. al in the press. He's not inb the class of Lehmann, Reina, Jussi & VDS, let alone Cech.
Agree with you TS. Given is a good shot stopper but shit at crosses but no one in the press mentions it, however if he weren't from the British Isles you'd see pundits say in the pre-match analysis that they have to test the goalkeeper with crosses and how dodgy they are
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Martins, if only for the back-flips.
He's quick, strong, young and scoring plenty. Not sure about his arial game, but that's not what he's there for anyways.
He's quick, strong, young and scoring plenty. Not sure about his arial game, but that's not what he's there for anyways.
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Kimbo wrote:Because it's not true, it's not the strongest part of his game but he's still better than most at it. When he comes for it 9 times out of 10 he will get it. His kicking is probably the worst part of his game, if you're going to nitpick you should pick on that.Samba de Baiano wrote:TeamSpirit
Paul Robinson has been $hit this season. Given is decent-to-good, but he gets his cock blown on a par with Terry, gerrard et. al in the press. He's not inb the class of Lehmann, Reina, Jussi & VDS, let alone Cech.
Agree with you TS. Given is a good shot stopper but shit at crosses but no one in the press mentions it, however if he weren't from the British Isles you'd see pundits say in the pre-match analysis that they have to test the goalkeeper with crosses and how dodgy they are
Given better than Ricardo Kimbo? Serious question, interested in your opinion.
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Luso wrote:Kimbo wrote:Because it's not true, it's not the strongest part of his game but he's still better than most at it. When he comes for it 9 times out of 10 he will get it. His kicking is probably the worst part of his game, if you're going to nitpick you should pick on that.Samba de Baiano wrote:TeamSpirit
Paul Robinson has been $hit this season. Given is decent-to-good, but he gets his cock blown on a par with Terry, gerrard et. al in the press. He's not inb the class of Lehmann, Reina, Jussi & VDS, let alone Cech.
Agree with you TS. Given is a good shot stopper but shit at crosses but no one in the press mentions it, however if he weren't from the British Isles you'd see pundits say in the pre-match analysis that they have to test the goalkeeper with crosses and how dodgy they are
Given better than Ricardo, Kimbo? Serious question, interested in your opinion.
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Obispo wrote:Ashton in a poster boy for EMB hype in the same way that Ledley King is.
Both good, potentially international class players turned into the the great english hope for technically gifted players at the expense of lesser fashionable but far more talented and proven players.
I was looking at this post, and I was thinking how do I respond to such an almost cretinous, sweeping statement?
Yes, Ledley King has been hyped without proving NOTHING. The same player who Tony Adams said that the French "Would make a monkey out of", in Euro 2004, only to watch in shock as Ledders proceeded to unleash total PWNAGE on the longstocking Diva.
The same Ledley King who is almost always amongst England's top 3 players when given a chance to start (see Macedonia). The same Ledley King who's team is a defensive wreck without him. He's better than Carragher. Get over it. Although still, he doesn't fit this nations idea of a great CB. After all, he's not slow, white and goes about collecting stitches in his head whilst pointing and shouting, pretending to be a Army General, does he?
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TeamSpiritObispo wrote:Ashton in a poster boy for EMB hype in the same way that Ledley King is.
Both good, potentially international class players turned into the the great english hope for technically gifted players at the expense of lesser fashionable but far more talented and proven players.
I was looking at this post, and I was thinking how do I respond to such an almost cretinous, sweeping statement?
Yes, Ledley King has been hyped without proving NOTHING. The same player who Tony Adams said that the French "Would make a monkey out of", in Euro 2004, only to watch in shock as Ledders proceeded to unleash total PWNAGE on the longstocking Diva.
The same Ledley King who is almost always amongst England's top 3 players when given a chance to start (see Macedonia). The same Ledley King who's team is a defensive wreck without him. He's better than Carragher. Get over it. Although still, he doesn't fit this nations idea of a great CB. After all, he's not slow, white and goes about collecting stitches in his head whilst pointing and shouting, pretending to be a Army General, does he?
In defence of Carragher, he's been immense in Europe again this season. But the fact is, whatever anyone's opinion, JT is going to start for England when he's fit, so ideally he needs a quick ball playing centre half next to him. For all of Carragher's pace, he's not a ball playing centre half by any means,
so its between Rio and King.
Woodgate can play the ball, but he doesnt have Carragher's pace.
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Pace and carragher you kidding me
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Sorry but JT having a guaranteed place is just wrong.
If Woodgate is fit, Woody+Rio is the first choice for me.
King=Terry and they should both be getting a shot at it.
Terry is the least versatile of these 4 because he needs a particular type of partner.
Carra can save himself for the CL - I don't reckon South Africa could cope with the House of Scouse anyway
If Woodgate is fit, Woody+Rio is the first choice for me.
King=Terry and they should both be getting a shot at it.
Terry is the least versatile of these 4 because he needs a particular type of partner.
Carra can save himself for the CL - I don't reckon South Africa could cope with the House of Scouse anyway
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Roger Hunt wrote:Sorry but JT having a guaranteed place is just wrong.
If Woodgate is fit, Woody+Rio is the first choice for me.
King=Terry and they should both be getting a shot at it.
Terry is the least versatile of these 4 because he needs a particular type of partner.
Carra can save himself for the CL - I don't reckon South Africa could cope with the House of Scouse anyway
He's captain so he is guaranteed his place. Mclaren will pick him everytime as the first name on the sheet. It wasnt my opinion, just the bare fact.
Personally, id probably agree with you on Woody- Rio. King,- Terry is also a good sounding partnership. Carragher would be 5th choice in my opinion if all were fit.
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