Kuyt V Berbatov V Martins

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Parks lives wrote:

Tweedle wrote:This poll is a joke.

All the Liverpool and Dutch posters (ie most of the board) have voted for Kuyt.

Exactly. Look at some of the Pool fans reasoning as well.

'All really good player, its very hard to split but I'll vote for Kuyt'.

How can it be 'throwing your toys out the pram' when it doesn't concern Man Utd/Arsenal players?

Tweedle wrote:How can it be 'throwing your toys out the pram' when it doesn't concern Man Utd/Arsenal players?

pretty simple tweeds.

you disagree with the result from the poll so are 'throwing the toys out of the pram, spitting the dummy, acting like cry babies'.

You want any more metaphors?

Well no, its clearly biased - there hasn't been one non-Liverpool or non-Dutch poster that voted for Kuyt yet!

Please Tweeds...

You just didn't like the result, and its not as if Kuyt has no merit to be considered the best of the bunch.

All three have done decently well (Martins perhaps better than what the other two are capable of), but to claim Kuyt has no 'x-factor' is foolish, and then claim its all bias is throwing out your toys out of the pram. You just didn't like the result and you're making exagerate claims to back it up.

IMO, nor Berbatov or Kuyt have yet shown what they're capable of. Nor in individual matches or consistancy, yet depite this, both can already be considered among the better strikers in the league.
Martins has shown some of that form he has lost at Inter. Oba could get better (also a better goal return with better supply etc), but the form he has now (...well before his slump) is near his peak.
This couldn't be claimed for the other two.

Martins is (allegedly) still young though - both Kuyt and barbatov are 25/26 aren't they?

Seriously, to say Kuyt has been better than Berbatov this season is just a joke, simple as.

I can't remember Kuyt having ever put in a Man of the match performance for liverpool - Berbatov has probably put in ten for Spurs

You mean Man of the Match performances, or the official (pundit) MOTM performance?

If its the latter, no-one could win it from Gerrard, excepting Carragher. Not even Xabi or Garcia... or Kuyt.

If its the former, Kuyt has influenced numerous games with his MOTM perfomances both by scoring or by his hard work.


Not mentioning that its arguably easier to clearly shine at Spurs than at Liverpool.


Kuyt has been more consistent for Liverpool then Burbs, while Dimitar has impacted games much better at Spurs. When Berbatov suffers, Spurs suffers, that is also clear.

Kuyt and Berbatov are both 25 last time I checked.

Kuyt has less goals, less assists, played more games, scored less in Europe.

Don't see how there can be an argument unless we're going on the basis he works harder.

Tweedle wrote:Well no, its clearly biased - there hasn't been one non-Liverpool or non-Dutch poster that voted for Kuyt yet!

Thats not strictly true, if you read my post i lean in favour of Berbatov.

Football Genius wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Well no, its clearly biased - there hasn't been one non-Liverpool or non-Dutch poster that voted for Kuyt yet!

Thats not strictly true, if you read my post i lean in favour of Berbatov.

I voted for Berbatov!

Mainly because Kuyt is the biggest arse kisser in the Netherlands... He never has a real opinion which is very undutchie....

Kuyt for work rate,

Martins for strength/speed and powerful finishing

and Berbatov for technique and class.

Overall, I think Martins and Kuyt were taylor made for the Prem- Berbatov could have been a flop in a league where so called "skilled" players get less time to play their game,

so f*ck it, everyone else is being bias including Kimmy and the Liverpool gang,

so the Berbinator. He also has the best hair

Parks lives wrote:Kuyt has less goals, less assists, played more games, scored less in Europe.

Don't see how there can be an argument unless we're going on the basis he works harder.

So now you are using stats?

As you keep saying yourself watch the games!!!!

I think they've all been about equal. I don't understand why posters are saying berbatov is so great. Spurs have lost just about every game against the top sides, and lost to newcastle, bolton etc. It would be interesting to see exactly who the goals have been scored against for all 3 strikers.

Pathetic.

How is it even the same. Berbatov has played less games, not only a stat a fact.

Goals and assists are lot more important for a STRIKER. Tackling for a midfielder is completely different.

Football Genius wrote:

Tweedle wrote:Well no, its clearly biased - there hasn't been one non-Liverpool or non-Dutch poster that voted for Kuyt yet!

Thats not strictly true, if you read my post i lean in favour of Berbatov.

It is strictly true - you're not a non-liverpool fan and you didn't vote for Kuyt.

If you were an Arsenal/Man Utd/Bolton fan and voted for Kuyt - then that would make my comment 'not strictly true'

110% wrote:

Parks lives wrote:Kuyt has less goals, less assists, played more games, scored less in Europe.

Don't see how there can be an argument unless we're going on the basis he works harder.

So now you are using stats?

As you keep saying yourself watch the games!!!!

I think they've all been about equal. I don't understand why posters are saying berbatov is so great. Spurs have lost just about every game against the top sides, and lost to newcastle, bolton etc. It would be interesting to see exactly who the goals have been scored against for all 3 strikers.

This is a comparison on players, not teams.

The way I see it is this- Spurs WITH Berbatov is so much more of a potent force than Spurs without him.

Factor in he can do things with a ball that many strikers of his size cannot, And I'd include Kuyt in that. See my sig for an example.

All 3 are top players, and it really comes down to preference; I like Berbatovs languid skillful style more than Kuyt's bowl legged running around the park like a lunatic style, or Martin's bruiser style. And so it seems do quite a few on here too

I rate Kuyt & Berbatov much higher than Martins.

Imho Kuyt edges Berbatov in what he offers to the team (all players around Kuyt can shine more because of his intellignece combined with an immaculate workrate, creates so much space for others). I'm not saying Berbatov ain't a team player, he's also intelligent, make runs creating space, comes up with asisists and scores. Berbatov also is more skilled than Kuyt. Still think Kuyt edges him. By the way Kuyt hasn't shown prime shape yet.

Neither has Berbatov though.

Last season at Leverkusen he got 21 goals in 30 something games - about 2 goals every three games.

this season he has 6 in about 20

jonathan de guzman wrote:I rate Kuyt & Berbatov much higher than Martins.

Imho Kuyt edges Berbatov in what he offers to the team (all players around Kuyt can shine more because of his intellignece combined with an immaculate workrate, creates so much space for others). I'm not saying Berbatov ain't a team player, he's also intelligent, make runs creating space, comes up with asisists and scores. Berbatov also is more skilled than Kuyt. Still think Kuyt edges him. By the way Kuyt hasn't shown prime shape yet.

Now, is that so hard to believe?

Well blow me over, DD and JDG are voting for the Dutchman: what a suprise!

@TRWP your link in the sig does not work, has been removed.

I didn't vote because I don't see any one of them being any better than the others. Martins has speed and a good shot, Kuyt has a good work-rate and the best team play, berbatov has the best skills but my point was that he has not showed it against the top sides.

Many people (not yourself) are saying kuyt shouldn't be top because it is obvious that berbatov is better, which is what I am arguing against. None of them have done anything yet that makes them the best of the 3, so people are just choosing who is their favourite (so the bias applies equal to a manu fan like spanky choosing berbatov just becasue he doesn't want a liverpool player to be top)

And none (including Martins) has yet reached their peak, they all could do more.

If we're talking strikers new to the league who have done well what about Benny McCarthy (skills, speed, goals)?

110% wrote:so the bias applies equal to a manu fan like spanky choosing berbatov just becasue he doesn't want a liverpool player to be top)

You think thats the only reason I've chose Berbatov?

Jesus wept.

The Real White Powder wrote:Well blow me over, DD and JDG are voting for the Dutchman: what a suprise!

Pele voting for the Spurs man.



For crying out loud, its not like either are sh*te. I rate them both, and both have yet to show their true form. Burbs has shown more of his capabilities though.

Berbatov has received votes from:
A West Ham fan, An Arsenal fan, A Dutchy, A Liverpool fan as well as 8 other posters...(most neutrals)

How many of Kuyts votes have came from someone who isnt Dutch or a Liverpool fan?

Berbatov>>The Other 2

110% wrote:
If we're talking strikers new to the league who have done well what about Benny McCarthy (skills, speed, goals)?

But McCarthy has pretty much always been quality. And has a CL medal.

Deaño-WHUFC wrote:Berbatov has received votes from:
A West Ham fan, An Arsenal fan, A Dutchy, A Liverpool fan as well as 8 other posters...(most neutrals)

How many of Kuyts votes have came from someone who isnt Dutch or a Liverpool fan?

Berbatov>>The Other 2

Zilch

110% wrote:

If we're talking strikers new to the league who have done well what about Benny McCarthy (skills, speed, goals)?

And yet Berbatov has all that as well as class,technique,vision,heading,passing...

DD wrote:IMO, nor Berbatov or Kuyt have yet shown what they're capable of. Nor in individual matches or consistancy, yet depite this, both can already be considered among the better strikers in the league.
Martins has shown some of that form he has lost at Inter. Oba could get better (also a better goal return with better supply etc), but the form he has now (...well before his slump) is near his peak.
This couldn't be claimed for the other two.

He turned 22 not long ago, we don't know what his peak is. The guy is still learning the game and hasn't really played in a settled team yet, the only players that have constantly been there have been Dyer and Milner, no Duff, Emre, or Parker, or Owen, or Ameobi. Berbatov and Kuyt are much closer to their peak IMO, especially Kuyt,... i can't really see what area he's going to improve on over the next couple of years.

No surprise to see the Newcastle player is taking a beating in a popularity contest . I wish we had got a shit group in the UEFA cup for him to boost his goal tally against. *cough*Berbatov*cough*.

Ive polled this on my West Ham Forum....I'll see what responses we get. Now Berbatov being a Spurs player would look as an obvious victim of bias...But we shall see....

I'm not talking about Martin's peak age, rather how he's at least emulating some of his better form he had for Inter. Given other factors (supply etc) he will improve of course.

Neither of Berbatov or Kuyt have yet emulated their better form. That was what I was getting at.