What should Bayern do next ?

Let me propose a solution to your problems:

Sell us Klose for 5 million euros

kas wrote:Let me propose a solution to your problems:

Sell us Klose for 5 million euros

You wish.

You better make a better offer for him soon. I will be very angry with Barca, if we have to sell Klose to Bayern only because you were too stingy...

Hehe let's see. I can't see us being too generous, so in the end it will come down to the player himself - does he want a starting role at Bayern or be willing to rotate at Barcelona. And of course other clubs like Juventus may come in, and Liverpool if they were smart and wanted a reasonably priced 20 goals-a-season striker.

kas wrote:Hehe let's see. I can't see us being too generous, so in the end it will come down to the player himself - does he want a starting role at Bayern or be willing to rotate at Barcelona. And of course other clubs like Juventus may come in, and Liverpool if they were smart and wanted a reasonably priced 20 goals-a-season striker.

If this article you posted recently is correct, Barca and Klose have already found an agreement. So where the hell is the problem? You´re so damn rich, 15 millions is not much for you, and it´s still a bargain for Klose imo. Or give us 5-7 million plus Gudjohnsen. Still better for me than selling Klose to Bayern...

15 million is not much, but I'm still not sure if the board is picking Klose as their first choice over Diego Milito or someone else. As I said, they may just have been talking to Klose's agent to make sure he'd be interested if we did approach Werder Bremen.

I would also gladly pay 5 million + Gudjohnsen, but I don't think he would move to Bremen (though I think it would be a fantastic move for all parties involved) since he said he wants to stay at Barcelona and try to prove himself.

kas wrote:15 million is not much, but I'm still not sure if the board is picking Klose as their first choice over Diego Milito or someone else. As I said, they may just have been talking to Klose's agent to make sure he'd be interested if we did approach Werder Bremen.

Well, if I die of sorrow seeing Klose score for Bayern it will be your fault...

kas wrote:I would also gladly pay 5 million + Gudjohnsen, but I don't think he would move to Bremen (though I think it would be a fantastic move for all parties involved) since he said he wants to stay at Barcelona and try to prove himself.

Yeah, if I were him I wouldn´t want to leave Barca as well, but then again if Klose comes, he will probably have to warm the bench even more, while in Bremen he would probably be a regular, depending on how good he is. (I don´t know much about him, but since he´s a Barca forward I expect him to be a decent forward at least, even more when I see how well former Barca sub van Bommel is doing at Bayern...)

Guddy is a bit of a 2nd forward, but I think he can still score goals. It's just that he hasn't completely settled into our style of play, and I think he'd find Bremen a little easier.

We don't want Guddy, and we don't want your ridiculous 5m EUR either.

Too many stingy big clubs thinking they can get our players for cheap. Barça made a TV deal that guarantees them more than 100m EUR a year for God's sake.

I expect Allofs to be extra tough in the negotiations, both in Frings and Klose's case. We probably lose 5m a year on marketing alone by losing Klose, would absolutely make no sense at all. Rather let him move on a Bosman next year, and win titles and qualify for the CL again because of his goals.

kas wrote:Guddy is a bit of a 2nd forward, but I think he can still score goals. It's just that he hasn't completely settled into our style of play, and I think he'd find Bremen a little easier.

Are you kidding me? Can still score goals...that sounds like with a bit of luck he could score two or three goals a season when his wheelchair got new tires. I thought he´s some kind of Barca Klasnic...I mean he should be able to score at least around 12 goals per season in the Bundesliga.

Lol, don't worry, that's what I meant. I think he has 4 or 5 for us already, so 10-12-15 as a starter should be no problem.

blutgraetsche wrote:We don't want Guddy.

So you don´t rate him then, blut?

Guddy is not the type of striker we need as a replacement for Klose. He is a good player, but definitely not exceptional, and he more or less has reached his full potential already at the age of 28.

If we have to replace Klose, it will be a younger striker we can form to top class material ourselves.

blutgraetsche wrote:Guddy is not the type of striker we need as a replacement for Klose. He is a good player, but definitely not exceptional, and he more or less has reached his full potential already at the age of 28.

If we have to replace Klose, it will be a younger striker we can form to top class material ourselves.

No, you misunderstood me then, blut. I would want him as replacement for Klasnic, as a 2nd experienced forward, not as replacement for Klose.

If Klose leaves us, we have to buy two forwards, one to replace Klasnic, one to replace Klose. So if we would get Gudjohnsen plus 5 million we wouldn´t need to look for a Klasnic replacement anymore.

But didn't we buy Rosenberg as a Klasnic replacement already? Rosenberg looks like a typical poacher to me, and he is very fast also. And being just 24, he still has not reached his peak yet either, and still can be formed by Thomas Schaaf.

I understand what you are trying to say though, you have a point about experience. But still, Gudjohnson would need time to adopt to the Bundesliga, and to a new country.

If I had to buy an experienced striker, I'd look for a different type, because we'd need a leader in the attack to lead the 'kids'. Guddy is not necessarily that type of character either.

blutgraetsche wrote:But didn't we buy Rosenberg as a Klasnic replacement already? Rosenberg looks like a typical poacher to me, and he is very fast also. And being just 24, he still has not reached his peak yet either, and still can be formed by Thomas Schaaf.

Hmm, as far as I know we bought Rosenberg as Zidan replacement...

blutgraetsche wrote:I understand what you are trying to say though, you have a point about experience. But still, Gudjohnson would need time to adopt to the Bundesliga, and to a new country.

I mainly thought about an exchange because I´ve read somewhere lately that we would have to pay a lot of taxes for potential transfer fees. If we would get 15 million for Klose we would probably have to pay 5-7 Million taxes, while a player in exchange would be free of any taxes.

Of course normally you don´t find a proper player to exchange, so it´s still much better to take the money. But I thought Gudjohnsen might be an option, because he´s experienced, but not too old, his transfer value should be around 10-12 million Euro. He´s a Barca player which should guarantee a certain quality (van Bommel->Bayern), but more a 2nd forward, which could mean he doesn´t earn that much money and he might at least consider a move to Bremen, because his chances to become a regular are better than in Barcelona while he can still play in the CL etc. I also thought he might fit to our style of play, because we try to play a similar style like Barca. So all in all I thought he might be a good candidate for a Klasnic replacement, and we could use the extra 5 million and fully concentrate our efforts on finding a proper replacement for Klose.

However it was just a passing thought.

blutgraetsche wrote:If I had to buy an experienced striker, I'd look for a different type, because we'd need a leader in the attack to lead the 'kids'. Guddy is not necessarily that type of character either.

Do you have someone special in mind then?

Eto'o for 4.5m from Barça.


On a serious note: I have no clue to be honest, we simply can't replace Klose. I refuse to think about it as long as his future is not clear at all.

P.S.: Barça might be an attacking team also, but their style is different to ours. They play a 4-3-3 (or 3-4-3 even) with 'real' wingers. Guddy is a number 9 in this system, and he has not exactly set the world alight, to put it mildly. He might do better in our diamond 4-4-2, but I'm not really sure if it's an experiment worth trying.

Ok, jokes aside, I really think he would do just fine in your 4-4-2. Especially if the other striker is someone like Rosenberg, who you said is a finisher.

blutgraetsche wrote:Eto'o for 4.5m from Barça.


On a serious note: I have no clue to be honest, we simply can't replace Klose. I refuse to think about it as long as his future is not clear at all.

Well, at least Klose always answered "no comment" today when he was asked about all this transfer rumours.

Frings on the other side told the reporter he will travel to Turin next week.

I hope they will both stay and extend their contracts, but like I said already, I meanwhile think they will both leave us at the end of the season.

As far as an replacement for Frings is concerned, what do you think of Appiah (Ghana international)?

Another option you guys have is Yaya Toure. He's at Olympiakos or something, so it won't be hard to get him.

blutgraetsche wrote:As far as an replacement for Frings is concerned, what do you think of Appiah (Ghana international)?

Sorry blut, but I know nothing about him.

Didn't he move to Monaco this season? Or did I miss something?

Ahh yeah, I think you might be right.

Still, Bremen and CL is a big step-up over Monaco. Unless he's been crap for them, then you might want to stay away.

chrissicross wrote:
Sorry blut, but I know nothing about him.

Really? Didn't you watch the Ghana matches at the World Cup last year, when he and Essien completely dominated the midfield against their opponents (even against Brazil without Essien; if they only had clinical strikers...)? He has impressed me every time I've seen him play, exactly the type of player we need, a complete midfielder who is strong defensively, but drives his team forward also, with a good technique and leader qualities. I've read that he is not too happy at Fenerbahce Istanbul.

kas wrote:Ok, jokes aside, I really think he would do just fine in your 4-4-2. Especially if the other striker is someone like Rosenberg, who you said is a finisher.

We would still buy a replacement for Klose as our no 1 forward, so Rosenberg will probably be only a sub. Rumours are Bremen is interested in Eduardo (Dinamo Zagreb) or El Hadji Diouf (Bolton Wanderers) as replacement for Klose.

Diouf? No, I wouldn't go for him. Too much baggage, and who knows if he can adapt to yet another new league.

Too much to ask to tempt Kuranyi away?

I rate Eduardo, would be nice if we could get him. Diouf is very talented, but a difficult character. However, Schaaf has proved umpteen times that he can get along with these type of players well, that he can get the best out of them. So who knows?

blutgraetsche wrote:

chrissicross wrote:
Sorry blut, but I know nothing about him.

Really? Didn't you watch the Ghana matches at the World Cup last year, when he and Essien completely dominated the midfield against their opponents (even against Brazil without Essien; if they only had clinical strikers...)? He has impressed me every time I've seen him play, exactly the type of player we need, a complete midfielder who is strong defensively, but drives his team forward also, with a good technique and leader qualities. I've read that he is not too happy at Fenerbahce Istanbul.

I watched a lot of WC matches including Ghana I think, but it´s already such a long time ago...

kas wrote:Too much to ask to tempt Kuranyi away?

I´m not a Kuranyi fan to be honest. And he wouldn´t leave Schalke for Bremen. Schalke have a good team as well, and they pay (much) more money than Bremen can, unfortunately.