What should Bayern do next ?

Please, not Kevin, no matter how in form he is these days. Won't happen anyway, as chrissi explained (we could afford him though, if we really wanted to).


The 'perfect' replacement for Klose is Mario Gomez, he is the same type of striker, creating a lot of chances for others while scoring a truckload himself. And he is very young still. However, Stuttgart will never sell him to us unfortunately.

Helmes would be worth a try at least, but Köln won't sell this season either.

blutgraetsche wrote:
The 'perfect' replacement for Klose is Mario Gomez, he is the same type of striker, creating a lot of chances for others while scoring a truckload himself. And he is very young still. However, Stuttgart will never sell him to us unfortunately.

Helmes would be worth a try at least, but Köln won't sell this season either.

And I think Gomez has also little reason to leave Stuttgart since they´re currently third and will probably play in the CL as well.

So we have to hope that Bayern catch them, so they'll play in the UEFA Cup, to have a chance to get him?

From die Nationalmannschaft perspective, Gomez is at the right club. He wouldn't develop that much better in Bremen either, Stuttgart are doing an excellent job already.

I don't understand why Klaus hasn't tried to get Helmes yet, now that the Leverkusen deal didn't happen.

Helmes gave an interview recently

he sounded pretty hell-bend on going to Bayer, even if he has to do so in a year's time

God knows why

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by the way, some time ago Schlaudraff's agent said that Bremen were never a serious option

the decision was between Bayern and Dortmund

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Gomez would be brilliant at Bremen

let's hope that Bayern still catch Stuttgart; Gomez might then favour CL action with Werder

Allofs should really make an offer (with the Klose money)
Stuttgart/Gomez cannot refuse

something like 15 million Euro

blutgraetsche wrote:So we have to hope that Bayern catch them, so they'll play in the UEFA Cup, to have a chance to get him?

No, of course not. Gomez never played in the UEFA Cup before, it´s still exciting enough for him, I doubt he would leave Stuttgart because of that.

blutgraetsche wrote:I don't understand why Klaus hasn't tried to get Helmes yet, now that the Leverkusen deal didn't happen.

Yeah, strange, maybe Cologne demand too much money for him.

Otto der Schweinehund wrote:Helmes gave an interview recently

he sounded pretty hell-bend on going to Bayer, even if he has to do so in a year's time

God knows why

From what I have read he seems to be pretty heimatverbunden, even Bremen is too far away...

Otto der Schweinehund wrote:
Gomez would be brilliant at Bremen

let's hope that Bayern still catch them; Gomez might then favour CL action with Werder

Allofs should really make an offer Stuttgart cannot refuse/Gomez (with the Klose money)

something like 15 million Euro

Hmm, 15 million for Gomez is a lot of money for Bremen, but I´m not even convinced Stuttgart would let him go for that...

How about that Alfonso Alves guy who is top scorer in the Dutch first division?

Too expensive. Heerenveen demand 15-20m EUR, too much IMHO. Huntelaar is unrealistic also, before you mention it.

Ya Ya Toure doesnt play for Ghana, but the Ivory coast. He played really well against Argentina and Holland and they played some of the best football at the world cup despite losing 2 games. Ya Ya has a fantastic engine, great skill and technique, he reminded me of Viera, but he plays for Monaco, so he obviously is no Viera.

The Ghanain you're probably thinking of is Muntari who never stopped running for the whole game and looked really good.

Magath defends himself

http://www.sport1.de/de/sport/artikel_1078552.html

VDV's suitors

http://www.sport1.de/de/sport/artikel_1078797.html

Rez wrote:Ya Ya Toure doesnt play for Ghana, but the Ivory coast. He played really well against Argentina and Holland and they played some of the best football at the world cup despite losing 2 games. Ya Ya has a fantastic engine, great skill and technique, he reminded me of Viera, but he plays for Monaco, so he obviously is no Viera.



The Ghanain you're probably thinking of is Muntari who never stopped running for the whole game and looked really good.

Who said that Toure is from Ghana?

blutgraetsche wrote:

Rez wrote:Ya Ya Toure doesnt play for Ghana, but the Ivory coast. He played really well against Argentina and Holland and they played some of the best football at the world cup despite losing 2 games. Ya Ya has a fantastic engine, great skill and technique, he reminded me of Viera, but he plays for Monaco, so he obviously is no Viera.



The Ghanain you're probably thinking of is Muntari who never stopped running for the whole game and looked really good.

Who said that Toure is from Ghana?

Sorry Kas mentioned Toure, the next post about playing in the world cup looked like you were responding to Kas, when in fact you were talking about Appiah, sorry my mistake.

No problem, was a bit confusing no that you say it, have to admit. Should have made it clearer.

after losing against Stuttgart and consolidating their UEFA Cup position, Bayern are exposed to a torrent of ridicule

the FAZ makes a good point

"Wenn der FC Bayern nur halb so bedeutend wäre wie die Nationalmannschaft, gäbe es schon seit vielen Monaten eine Task Force. An deren Spitze stünden dann ganz sicher Uli Hoeneß und Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, denn wer sonst im Fußball-Land käme nach eigenem Selbstverständnis der Unfehlbarkeit so nahe wie das bayerische Führungsduo? Unglücklich nur, dass sie in diesem Krisenfall einmal über ihre eigene Arbeit zu befinden hätten - und man den Niedergang beim Rekordmeister auch mit Wohnsitzdebatten ('Hoeneß muss nach München ziehen') und der Torwartfrage so schnell nicht stoppen könnte. Die Bilanz der zwar immer wieder laut tönenden, aber inhaltlich vollkommen sprachlosen sportlichen Führung in diesem Jahr ist niederschmetternd. Platz vier ist die schlechteste Plazierung seit über zehn Jahren in der Liga - und dies, obwohl der ökonomische Vorsprung der Bayern in dieser Zeit immer größer, ja riesig geworden ist. Nach der Kosten-Nutzen-Rechnung haben sie in diesem Jahr das Zeug zum Abstiegskandidaten, spieltechnisch war das 0:2 nur die letzte Bankrotterklärung in einer mit an hilflosen Auftritten überreichen Saison."

http://www.spiegel.de/sport/fussball/0,1518,478814,00.html

in other words, if the Nationalmannschaft faced the same problems as Bayern right now, Hoeness and Rummenigge would immediately get their knives out, ask for a special task-force to solve the problem and probably expect to head it themselves

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finally, my fellow Germans understand that the Munich management is utterly mediocre

German football will be the winner

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"die Fussballdeutungshoheit des Vaterlandes" is up for grabs

no more Klinsmann, Ziegenthaler nonsense; stop the Netzer madness and retire Lattek

step forward Allofs, Schuster and Voeller

only they can save German football now

Beckenbauer admits that van Bommel is no Ballack

"he's a craftsman, a very important one, but no artist"

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Hitzfeld and Kahn say that the team is no MANNSCHAFT

nobody plays for his teammates

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Hitz also agress with Magath when he says Bayern lack FIGHTERS, REAL MEN, KERNIGE TYPEN

haha, I have said those things a long time ago already

Germany is becoming too effeminate; we need more MAENNER

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Klose would solve so many of Bayern's current problems, ditto Robben

problem is nobody will join the Munich club , if they merely play in the UEFA Cup

in the absence of REAL reinforcements, Bayern have to sell Makaay and Lucio just to to be able to recreate a team

these are my solutions (for the UEFA Cup):

1. sell Makaay + Lucio + Hargreaves + Santa Cruz

2. keep Pizarro

3. buy Boulahrouz, to reunite him with van Buyten

4. retire Kahn and promote Rensing

5. convert Lahm into a left-midfield player, move SChweini inside and let him grow into the position over the summer training camp

6. buy Jansen as left-back

7. buy Kehl as Hargreaves replacement

8. break the bank for Gomez: 20 million Euro , if need be

9. ask Klinsi how he motivated Poldi, Schweini and Lahmi; employ him as external consultant

that should do the trick

Jansen has probably much better options than a move to Bayern...

Kahn attacks Hoeness and Co (indirectly)

"Zu sagen, ohne Michael Ballack würden wir besser spielen und wären nicht so leicht ausrechenbar, war Blödsinn", sagte Kahn.


" to say that we would play better without Ballack was NONSENSE"



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actually, the easiest way to SAVE Bayern from total obscurity would be to sack Honess and Dummenigge and HIRE

ALLOFS

this is what Bayern should do

1. sell Hargreaves for 30 million

2. pay Bremen 10 million to buy Allofs out of his contract

3. pay Allofs the remaining 20 million as a salary; within one year he would have payed them back with interest

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and this is Lothar SUCKING up to Hoeness

http://www.sportbild.de/sportbild/meinung/matthaeus.html

he is right to suggest buying VDV

the easiest option available

otto, what you have actually been saying not so long ago was that Bayern will win the championship in the end, you even went that far to ask others to bet on them, put a Lederhosen kid as your avatar and what not.

Humble pie time again otto, and you know it.

And you can't get away with your "kernige Typen" tantrum, Bayern lack creativity and good backups foremost, and for this, the Bayern board is directly to blame. It's no coincidence that once Schweinsteiger got injured, things went rapidly down hill for them, because a Schweini in mediocre form is still better than having no creativity on the pitch at all. Bayern played with 4 (!) defensive midfielders in the last few matches, two of them newbies with no experience.

Bayern went from having one of the best squads in Europe after winning the CL, to a mediocre one even by Bundesliga standards, and again, for this their board is to blame. When I said that Werder had a better first XI than Bayern before the season started, people thought I was insane, and concentrated on the loss of Micoud that was going to cost us.

What people simply don't get is that more important than having a good squad, is that you have a concept, a philosophy, for which the coach is directly responsible. If you have a clear concept, replacing key players is easier.

Werder has a concept (longer than all of our competitors, thanks to Thomas Schaaf), Stuttgart has a concept (thanks to Veh and Heldt), Schalke has a concept (thanks to Slomka and Müller), Bayern have not. And without a clear concept, all your financial muscle isn't worth much.

P.S.: Buying Allofs will not help Bayern at all, if they don't have a concept (he won't go there anyway). And as much as you deny it (often take it to ridiculous levels by doing so), the success of Werder is due to team effort. Thomas Schaaf is as important for it as Allofs, as are the other members of our board (Born, our president, in particular).

Surely Bayern will bounce back next season, they are the richest and biggest club in Germany. I cant see them doing a Real Madrid and go for 4 years without winning anything.

As for solutions Otto, they should get rid of Podolski and the pig farmer and buy some English players, like Lampard .

They may be back next season, but their competition will not go anywhere. And it will be very difficult for them to attract good players if they play in the UEFA Cup next season, and not CL (first time after 10 years), which is very likely.

NOT qualifying for the CL is what could set Bayern back most

in the past they could simply outspent the opposition

this time, nobody will want to join them if he can play in the CL for Schalke, Stuttgart , Bremen or Chelsea

Hoeness has to get creative

problem is; he does not do CREATIVE

he is the Kohl of the football world: checkbook diplomacy = checkbook football; no imagination

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there is something fundamentally wrong with Bayern now; something that neither Magath nor Hitz could solve

there are too many rivalries in the the team, no MANNSCHAFT

creativity , or lack thereof , is NOT the problem, rather:

"die Strukturen sind eingefahren; der Karren steckt fest"

Lucio and Makaay HAVE to go; if Pizarro is really the egotist that out papers claim, he should go as well; otherwise , he has to stay

the whole Hoeness/Dummenigge problem is a MASSIVE chance for Bremen and Schalke in particular

both teams did everything in their power to NOT win the title this season; one of them will win by default

the best scenario for German football would be for Bremen to win the UEFA Cup with Schalke lifting die Schale; both teams then should use that momentum to establish themselves at the top permanently

German football could be the winner

I think it will give them the opportunity to get some good players. I am not on the wind up, but the Bayern team has been in decline for the past few years the style of football they play, unimaginative and out dated. They have lots of money, but they never seem to spend it. When they won the CL they should have bought some high profile players.

My point about Bayern is that in the German league they can still buy the oppositions best players and all the up and coming players, meaning they will be back very soon. I think in the summer they should break the bank for VDV and possibly Klose, as they wont be able to attract any players from Spain, Italy and England. Once they are back in the CL, they should spend some true money and buy some CL class players.

I think the decision to not re-sign Ballack was the beginning of Bayern's management current chaos. You MUST buy insurance coverage just in case $h!t happens, and Bayern didn't do that. Re-signing Ballack was their insurance. Everybody knew Ballack was going to Chelsea, and Bayern didn't do anything to get their cash for him. No insurance!

Manchester United have bought their insurance by re-signing Cristiano Ronaldo. He could still go to either Barcelona or Real Madrid in the Summer, but the Mancs have made sure that if he goes they're gonna get tons of cash in return so they can reload immediately. Bayern didn't do that, they let Ballack go (in his prime) for FREE!

Puro wrote:I think the decision to not re-sign Ballack was the beginning of Bayern's management current chaos. You MUST buy insurance coverage just in case $h!t happens, and Bayern didn't do that. Re-signing Ballack was their insurance. Everybody knew Ballack was going to Chelsea, and Bayern didn't do anything to get their cash for him. No insurance!

Manchester United have bought their insurance by re-signing Cristiano Ronaldo. He could still go to either Barcelona or Real Madrid in the Summer, but the Mancs have made sure that if he goes they're gonna get tons of cash in return so they can reload immediately. Bayern didn't do that, they let Ballack go (in his prime) for FREE!

I don't think they had a choice, Ballack refused to sign so that he could get more money from a Bosman transfer - higher signing on fee because there is no transfer fee.

The Ballack transfer is one of the most drastic mistakes the board made (Rummenigge seriously believed them to play better without him, I kid you not, and Hoeness seriously believed that Santa Cruz (!) could replace him), but definitely not the only one. Bayern need to completely rethink their strategy, and in any other European top club, heads would roll also. Don't expect Hoeness or Rummenigge to resign though, although it looks like Beckenbauer is trying to get rid of Rummenigge by suggesting him to become the new president of the Bundesliga.

blutgraetsche wrote: The Ballack transfer is one of the most drastic mistakes the board made .

Rummenigge drove Ballack away; the ONE has said so himself in a lengthy SZ interview

Karl-Heinz would publicly sully Mike's name, suggest that he was only in it for the money...; Ballack liked Bayern and in particular Hoeness so much , that he refused to meet him ALONE for he knew he would lose the argument and stay

blutgraetsche wrote:and in any other European top club, heads would roll also.

VERY TRUE

different clubs have different commercial managers ; at Real and Barca they come and go all the time; at Inter, AC, Newcastle, Bremen... they don't

in any ordinary company Hoeness and Rummenigge would have been sacked ages ago though

admittedly, the Bayern supervisory board is a joke; they have all those mighty CEOs sitting there, but they are all wimps

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now Berthold has a go at Hoeness and Dumm...

http://www.sportbild.de/sportbild/generated/article/fussball/2007/04/24/6015600000.html

it's a pity that EVERYBODY speaks out against the two village idiots these days, but they were ALL quiet only a few months ago when the problems were there for everybody to see as well

SAD but TRUE

England is not the only country peopled by cowards

STRUUUUUNZ demands a fundamental rethink

oh dear, has the reputation of ANY commercial managers ever sunk so low so fast ???

only a few months ago Hoeness and Dumm would be the official spokesmen of German football ; just like the end of the Soviet Union : fast and unexpected

http://www.sport1.de/de/sport/artikel_1109086.html

Lothar is right to point out that the squad is actually very good; that it has a lot of potential, which , for whatever reason, does not seem to be nurtured

Lothar is a clueless joke, the squad lacks quality throughout.

Loddar is a LEGEND

end of story

I would love to see him manage Berlin, for instance

add Schuster and Effe and the CL would be ours