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    Post by NCFC Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:05 pm

    About time I got this started, with the altas y bajas hotting up. Is going to be a rebound season hopefully, after a year when the top three was realistically decided around March/April. Looks to be as unpredictable as ever really.....and much will change before the end of August, depending on who can make the best deals work in the transfer window.

    But for me, the start to this season is very overshadowed by the big story over Granada 74 and the general new rules put in force by the LFP that could redefine Spanish football, or at least, in the lower leagues up to the segunda. For those who don't know, the LFP introduced these new rules in order to help out teams in financial trouble. Basically, it now means that clubs can be bought and sold by rich businessmen and previous owners, but heres the controversial part: they can move the club to wherever they want in the country.

    In 1999 former Real Murcia player Enrique Pina founded Ciudad Murcia, a rival club within the city. They entered the Spanish league system through the regionals and through Pina's good financial backing made it as far as the segunda division in 2003. After a relegation fight in the first season, the last two years have seen the club move forward a long way and now, for the second season in a row, they have finished in fourth place, just one of promotion. However, the club has always struggled to get support from the community of Murcia (with the club already having its "traditional club" and despite improving recently, has always received tiny attendances. So basically, Pina had had enough, and decided to cash in on Ciudad

    Throughout the conclusion to last season we saw the new rules first come into practice as he looked to sell the club. He sniffed right around the lower reaches of Spanish football to the likes of Oviedo.....eventually selling the club to Granada businessman Carlos Marsa. The club was immediately moved to Granada and Ciudad de Murcia: 8 years in the making, gaining supporters and on the verge of the primera: ceased to exist. The worrying thing is this could happen over and over again unless the LFP change these rules back. There has already been rumours on the board about Barca B buying their way back to the segunda B, the president of Figueres (around 80km north of Barcelona) even tried to advertise the club for sale.

    I was in Catalunya last week and happened to drive past the stadium of Figueres, and it left me feeling what the f@ck is the president thinking? It is nice and by all means new (if out of town, a feature I never like in a stadium) If the sale took place, Figueres would cease to exist. Much to consider for the LFP I feel. Perhaps when a big, traditional club is sold and moved, some action and worry might take place. Pina was looking to buy Cadiz after the sale of Ciudad, thank f@ck that didn't happen.

    Anyway, to the league....the seven (eight with Granada) new teams joining through promotion are; Celta, Sociedad, Nastic, Cordoba, Racing Ferrol, Eibar and finally Sevilla B. After the promotion play offs I feel the latter could have an awesome season, but can obviously not be promoted, watched on of their games, and this team looked as hot as the first team. With the influence of Del Bosque, I also feel Cadiz will be strong contenders. Hercules seem to make some promising signings whilst the likes of Xerez, Numancia, Salamanca all have to be considers. The relegated sides could have a difficult time again, although Sociedad have received a big boost in the form of Chris Coleman, and Celta completed an immediate return two years ago. All depends on signings of course, and I will post the altas y bajas so far on the next post......

    Hopefully this thread can get a few more posts than last season. The championship, Serie B, 2. Bundesliga...all seemed to get more activity than the segunda thread, so come on.....

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    Post by NCFC Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:44 pm

    http://www.marca.com/futbol/altasbajas07/segunda.html
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    Post by DeLux Wed Jul 04, 2007 1:38 pm

    Unfortunately I'll be here for this season.
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    Post by La Saeta Rubia Wed Jul 04, 2007 4:53 pm

    Should be an interesting season in segunda, especially with the take over at Cadiz. Looking forward to seeing them play and hopefully come up, also I'm looking forward to seeing Sevilla Atletico in action, they have some very promising young talent.
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    Post by NCFC Thu Jul 05, 2007 12:54 pm

    For sure LSR, I think Sevilla Atletico could be veeery interesting to watch, would be surprised not to see them in the top half. Against... Burgos I think it was, in the play offs they were explosive.

    How do you guys see the relegated teams getting on? And what do you think about the whole Murcia - Granada situation and its implications on Spanish football?[/u]
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    Post by DeLux Thu Jul 05, 2007 11:50 pm

    Chris Coleman has been presented as new Real Sociedad manager.

    http://www.realsociedad.com/caste/home/real.asp?menu=110100&id=75406

    Here's hoping he does well.
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    Post by fcb Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:42 am

    Coleman moving to there is good for La Segunda's profile in England...along with van Nistelrooy and Henry, Sky Sports may also keep track of how Coleman is doing.
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    Post by NCFC Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:16 am

    Yeh for sure Kas. Its a shame that profile depends on these things. Although, I am relatively happy that there are no longer any English players from the point of view that Sky may go for a more neutral approach and show more than just a season of Madrid (and Barcelona although not because of the English impact) Even the Seville derby is missed out at times.
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    Post by NCFC Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:41 pm

    Anyone seen the Coleman interview on Sky Sports this morning? Its going to be hard. He knows no Spanish, his family are back home in London, and there are a whole host of players set to leave this summer as we expected. Already the best player IMO Savio, has departed to Levante - although it was his penalty miss that put a near seal on their relegation.

    Perhaps we could see some English players or players who have played in the Premiership at Sociedad next season. Not sure how strong Coleman's knowledge of Spanish football is.
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    Post by NCFC Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:54 pm

    Looks like Gustavo Lopez is on his way from Celta to Cadiz, you happy to see him leave Samba?
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    Post by fcb Fri Jul 06, 2007 2:54 pm

    nCfC-CaDiZ wrote:Anyone seen the Coleman interview on Sky Sports this morning? Its going to be hard. He knows no Spanish, his family are back home in London, and there are a whole host of players set to leave this summer as we expected. Already the best player IMO Savio, has departed to Levante - although it was his penalty miss that put a near seal on their relegation.

    Perhaps we could see some English players or players who have played in the Premiership at Sociedad next season. Not sure how strong Coleman's knowledge of Spanish football is.


    That's where the new sporting director Iriarte (Toshack's Wales assistant) will have to play a big role.

    Speaking of players who have played in the Premiership, I saw a rumour linking Steve Marlet to Sociedad.
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    Post by DeLux Fri Jul 06, 2007 4:29 pm

    nCfC-CaDiZ wrote:Looks like Gustavo Lopez is on his way from Celta to Cadiz, you happy to see him leave Samba?

    So typical of Celta. Rather than give the players the recognition for their work to the club, we shove them out the back door. It happened with Mostovoi, Karpin and now Gustavo.
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    Post by DeLux Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:33 pm

    Felix Carnero joins Del Bosque's Cadiz as Sporting Director.
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    Post by fcb Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:49 pm

    It'll be interesting to see what happens at Athletic's elections on Thursday. If that candidate tied to Del Bosque wins, will he really leave Cadiz after just joining them?
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    Post by DeLux Tue Jul 10, 2007 5:52 pm

    http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/2a_division/cadiz/es/desarrollo/1014372.html
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    Post by NCFC Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:20 pm

    Yeh, Baldasano hopes. Del Bosque is fast becoming a La Liga sugardaddy, I really wouldn't be surprised to see him at Athletic.
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    Post by NCFC Tue Jul 10, 2007 8:27 pm

    I am very surprised nobody has anything to say on the situation in Granada and its possible implications for the Spanish game. Currently Marsa is pushing the Granada council to allow them to play at the city's Los Carmenes stadium. Looks like it will rumble on. If they fail to get approval they will have to play elsewhere. But I think I read somewhere that there is a minimum capacity of 6,000 at segunda level. Attendances next season could be negligible next season away from Granada.
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    Post by DeLux Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:28 pm

    Good. No to franchises.
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    Post by NCFC Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:33 pm

    Samba de Baiano wrote:Good. No to franchises.

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    Post by DeLux Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:34 pm

    Apparently he's got offers to move his freak show to other cities.
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    Post by NCFC Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:07 pm

    Samba de Baiano wrote:Apparently he's got offers to move his freak show to other cities.

    But I suppose that would involve selling up again. The situation is a joke. The biggest villain in it all though for me is back in Murcia...Enrique Pina. He is the one who started the Ciudad Murcia project. By selling the club he has ripped off the 4,000 odd Ciudad supporters and started this circus. My condolences to the club he buys, I'm just delighted it wasn't Cadiz.
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    Post by NCFC Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:25 pm

    Opening fixtures....

    Cádiz Granada 74
    Sevilla At. Tenerife
    Málaga Salamanca
    Gimnástic Alavés
    Celta Córdoba
    Real Sociedad Castellón
    Racing Ferrol Eibar
    Sporting Poli Ejido
    Numancia Las Palmas
    Albacete Elche
    Hércules Xerez

    So its Granada on the opening day for us! Hope we give them a real bashing.
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    Post by DeLux Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:43 pm

    http://www.marca.com/edicion/marca/futbol/2a_division/granada_74/es/desarrollo/1016688.html

    LMFAO
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    Post by DeLux Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:17 pm

    Dmitri Piterman sells Alaves

    http://www.as.com/articulo/Futbol/Ortiz/Zarate/anuncia/ha/comprado/Alaves/Piterman/dasftbB00/20070716dasdasftb_23/Tes/

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    Post by golsud Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:18 pm

    Great news for Alaves fans <Ale>
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    Post by DeLux Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:19 pm

    I think he still part-owns Racing Santander though. I remember hearing that a judge ordered him to sell his stake.
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    Post by NCFC Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:37 pm

    Very good news. This guy certainly seems a tad more down to earth. Perhaps the fans will slowly come back to Mendizorroza.

    Anybody got any tips for the new season then? IMO surprise teams could be Elche, Tenerife and Sevilla Atletico looking at form from the back end of last season and the altas y bajas so far.
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    Post by fcb Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:41 pm

    Sevilla Atletico could definitely be interesting, though if it gets tough they may suffer with a lack of experience and all kids in the team.
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    Post by NCFC Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:48 pm

    kas wrote:Sevilla Atletico could definitely be interesting, though if it gets tough they may suffer with a lack of experience and all kids in the team.

    All their signings seem to be fairly young as well, although the two lads from Xerez seem to have had a bit more experience around the leagues in a few different teams. Both were with Sevilla originally. I never realize why the likes of Castilla, Malaga B and now these in recent times, don't try and sign in a bit of experience through loans of out of favor players. From the players point of view they would play regularly at the second highest level. But then, I suppose these things are seen from the point of view of the first team where they are looking to bring promising youngsters through rather than oldies. Heard anything more on Barca B Kas, does it look like they will by their way back to segunda B or not?
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    Post by fcb Tue Jul 17, 2007 4:51 pm

    Tough to say anything about Barça B...they've made a few transfers, but are also losing a lot of experienced players who will now be loaned out, promoted to the first team, or moved on. And Guardiola is still an unknown. Let's wait and see how the season goes for them.

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