Allardyce explains Dyer decision

COTR wrote:Football fans are a fickle bunch

if he scores a hat trick next week they will soon love him again

Newcastle fans seem to despise and hate anyone who leaves for another club, or doe not seem to love the club or city.

Freddie Ljungberg wrote:

Puro wrote:

Freddie Ljungberg wrote:
Dyer was ready to train with us too...it's only when we went to complete the deal they said No. It's disgraceful behaviour. If I was Dyer I would be a complete c**t in training and cause friction or simply refuse and make a big fuss.

Usually that would be the wrong thing to do...but Newcastle's actions here would would be on the same scale of unprofessionalism.

You would? You'd destroy Newcastle's season though.

It's not right Puro. Dyer wanted to leave. Allardyce said he could. We agreed on a £6m fee. It was about to be completed and they wreck the deal. Not even for real footballing reasons. They just want more money.

doesn't that happen a lot anyway, e.g. liverpool and simao, newcastle and barton, asking for a million or two more at the last minute because the selling club thinks that the buying club will pay

It does happen, but perhaps not quite at this late stage in the deal.

Negotiations were i would imagine in West Hams mind all complete, considering the player was allowed to go for a medical.

I'm surprised that this cannot be taken to court, because a fee was agreed, and sending the player down for a medical would insinuate that Newcastle had agreed on the fee. Perhaps no paper trail is available and it was all 'gentlemans' agreements.

Otherwise in my mind that surely is entry into a contact from both parties.

Football Genius wrote:It does happen, but perhaps not quite at this late stage in the deal.

Negotiations were i would imagine in West Hams mind all complete, considering the player was allowed to go for a medical.

I'm surprised that this cannot be taken to court, because a fee was agreed, and sending the player down for a medical would insinuate that Newcastle had agreed on the fee. Perhaps no paper trail is available and it was all 'gentlemans' agreements.

Otherwise in my mind that surely is entry into a contact from both parties.

The medical was completed FG. The fee and Terms were agreed. We just had to wait for documentation from Newcastle finalising the deal. They decided to instead say they want £8m.

Football Genius wrote:It does happen, but perhaps not quite at this late stage in the deal.

Negotiations were i would imagine in West Hams mind all complete, considering the player was allowed to go for a medical.

I'm surprised that this cannot be taken to court, because a fee was agreed, and sending the player down for a medical would insinuate that Newcastle had agreed on the fee. Perhaps no paper trail is available and it was all 'gentlemans' agreements.

Otherwise in my mind that surely is entry into a contact from both parties.

Nah - an oral contract's not worth the paper it's written on.

Both parties have the right to withdraw until it's signed. The only recourse WH might reasonably have is to argue that Newcastle should pay the costs of the medical.

Any bad thing which happens to West Ham is met with a barrage of abuse and blame on these boards. Rafa signs Benayoun - he's a c**t. Man U buy Tevez - they're c**ts. Newcastle realise they've undervalued a player they're about to sell - they're c**ts. Tevez wants to leave - he's a c**t. Benayoun wants to move to a bigger club - he's a c**t. If I had a pound for every time a West Ham fan on these boards accused someone of being a c**t, I'd be a rich man.

cheesecake² wrote:Any bad thing which happens to West Ham is met with a barrage of abuse and blame on these boards. Rafa signs Benayoun - he's a c**t. Man U buy Tevez - they're c**ts. Newcastle realise they've undervalued a player they're about to sell - they're c**ts. Tevez wants to leave - he's a c**t. Benayoun wants to move to a bigger club - he's a c**t. If I had a pound for every time a West Ham fan on these boards accused someone of being a c**t, I'd be a rich man.

Yes

Deano is one of our most eloquent mods when west ham are the topic at hand

cheesecake² wrote:Any bad thing which happens to West Ham is met with a barrage of abuse and blame on these boards. Rafa signs Benayoun - he's a c**t. Man U buy Tevez - they're c**ts. Newcastle realise they've undervalued a player they're about to sell - they're c**ts. Tevez wants to leave - he's a c**t. Benayoun wants to move to a bigger club - he's a c**t. If I had a pound for every time a West Ham fan on these boards accused someone of being a c**t, I'd be a rich man.

You are an idiot. Every other person has kept on topic.

COTR wrote:

cheesecake² wrote:Any bad thing which happens to West Ham is met with a barrage of abuse and blame on these boards. Rafa signs Benayoun - he's a c**t. Man U buy Tevez - they're c**ts. Newcastle realise they've undervalued a player they're about to sell - they're c**ts. Tevez wants to leave - he's a c**t. Benayoun wants to move to a bigger club - he's a c**t. If I had a pound for every time a West Ham fan on these boards accused someone of being a c**t, I'd be a rich man.

Yes

Deano is one of our most eloquent mods when west ham are the topic at hand

Ah right...so Newcastle aren't in the wrong here? Just because CT wants to try and be funny and fail miserably...

I was going to point out that Deano had been getting a bit chippy but i decided I wasn't brave enough

WH do seem to have got into a lot of disagreements over transfers this summer. Are they paranoid, or are people really out to get them?

What a shame...we'll miss out on Dyer.

You'll have to watch Man Utd lift the Premiership trophy (again).

Roger Hunt wrote:I was going to point out that Deano had been getting a bit chippy but i decided I wasn't brave enough

WH do seem to have got into a lot of disagreements over transfers this summer. Are they paranoid, or are people really out to get them?

I had never been convinced newcastle wanted to actually sell dyer

they have clearly realised before it is too late that they with the contract are in the dominant position and intend to use it

this is football... it's hard to take but it happens

Deano is a passionate Hammer, of course hes going to be subjective

I wouldn't have him any other way, especially when hes going on about the yids

COTR wrote:

Roger Hunt wrote:I was going to point out that Deano had been getting a bit chippy but i decided I wasn't brave enough

WH do seem to have got into a lot of disagreements over transfers this summer. Are they paranoid, or are people really out to get them?

I had never been convinced newcastle wanted to actually sell dyer

they have clearly realised before it is too late that they with the contract are in the dominant position and intend to use it

this is football... it's hard to take but it happens

Like you with Benayoun then? The most blatent case of tapping up by Benitez "We want Benayoun an he wants to come here" Have you spoken to West Ham? "No"

One Liverpool fans acts like a moron and two more come for back up Unbelievable.

COTR wrote:

Roger Hunt wrote:I was going to point out that Deano had been getting a bit chippy but i decided I wasn't brave enough

WH do seem to have got into a lot of disagreements over transfers this summer. Are they paranoid, or are people really out to get them?

I had never been convinced newcastle wanted to actually sell dyer

they have clearly realised before it is too late that they with the contract are in the dominant position and intend to use it

this is football... it's hard to take but it happens

Well in that case horrible management considering the fans Newcastle have, say a player wants out and they will hate him and never let it drop. I feel sorry for Dyer he doesn't want to be there

Freddie Ljungberg wrote:What a shame...we'll miss out on Dyer.

You'll have to watch Man Utd lift the Premiership trophy (again).

What's your point Deano? You'll have to watch Spurs finish higher than you again...

And you'll sign Dyer in January for £5m.

Freddie Ljungberg wrote:

COTR wrote:

Roger Hunt wrote:I was going to point out that Deano had been getting a bit chippy but i decided I wasn't brave enough

WH do seem to have got into a lot of disagreements over transfers this summer. Are they paranoid, or are people really out to get them?

I had never been convinced newcastle wanted to actually sell dyer

they have clearly realised before it is too late that they with the contract are in the dominant position and intend to use it

this is football... it's hard to take but it happens

Like you with Benayoun then? The most blatent case of tapping up by Benitez "We want Benayoun an he wants to come here" Have you spoken to West Ham? "No"

One Liverpool fans acts like a moron and two more come for back up Unbelievable.

did we not always make legal bids for benayoun ???


you are allowed to make these public and express an interest deano

COTR wrote:

Freddie Ljungberg wrote:

COTR wrote:

Roger Hunt wrote:I was going to point out that Deano had been getting a bit chippy but i decided I wasn't brave enough

WH do seem to have got into a lot of disagreements over transfers this summer. Are they paranoid, or are people really out to get them?

I had never been convinced newcastle wanted to actually sell dyer

they have clearly realised before it is too late that they with the contract are in the dominant position and intend to use it

this is football... it's hard to take but it happens

Like you with Benayoun then? The most blatent case of tapping up by Benitez "We want Benayoun an he wants to come here" Have you spoken to West Ham? "No"

One Liverpool fans acts like a moron and two more come for back up Unbelievable.

did we not always make legal bids for benayoun


you are allowed to make these public and express an interest deano

Oh yeah sorry I forgot about your £1m unsettling bid

L.r.d wrote: Well in that case horrible management considering the fans Newcastle have, say a player wants out and they will hate him and never let it drop. I feel sorry for Dyer he doesn't want to be there

On the plus side, hopefully Smith will really suffer now he's there.

3 million


Ie a whole 1/2 million less than you sold him for

Freddie Ljungberg wrote:

COTR wrote:

Roger Hunt wrote:I was going to point out that Deano had been getting a bit chippy but i decided I wasn't brave enough

WH do seem to have got into a lot of disagreements over transfers this summer. Are they paranoid, or are people really out to get them?

I had never been convinced newcastle wanted to actually sell dyer

they have clearly realised before it is too late that they with the contract are in the dominant position and intend to use it

this is football... it's hard to take but it happens

Like you with Benayoun then? The most blatent case of tapping up by Benitez "We want Benayoun an he wants to come here" Have you spoken to West Ham? "No"

One Liverpool fans acts like a moron and two more come for back up Unbelievable.

They swarm like lemmings, we just need to find a cliff....

Don't delete my posts Deano.

For a start, its hardly the case, as the West Ham fans on here are implying, that Dyer has just lost the chance of his dreams. Hes supposedly unhappy at Newcastle, and that part is true enough, but it seems a general unhappiness - perhaps because friends have left the area, perhaps because hes missing his family, or perhaps just because hes going through a period of depression (which was rumoured a year or so ago, amidst many other rumours, when he was having all his injury problems) - rather than an unhappiness aimed at the club or anyone involved with it. Obviously the incident after the Juve game, where fans crowded round his car shouting abuse, wont help things at all. But fans are fickle, Newcastle fans just as much if not more than most, and I think with a few good games where he was clearly putting in the effort, Dyer would find himself in much firmer favour. I dont think there would be the slightest problem in him fitting back into our squad - like I say, his problems are personal rather than anything to do with the club.

West Ham were the only club that put in a bid for him. I myself presumed he would rather have gone to Tottenham, particularly with Jenas there, and Id guess thats still the case, but they havent bid. So whilst he may be disappointed not to have left Newcastle, Im sure hes not distraught in any extra measure that hes missed out on a move to West Ham.

As for West Ham, given their conduct over Tevez, as well as their general approach in the transfer market - to make offers to all and sundry and then to wait and see if anything sticks, to offer big wages to tempt players to the club and to drag out their own sales for as much money as possible - Im not too inclined to sympathise, or to take their version of events as gospel. If we have simply bumped the price at the last minute for no reason, and messed the player about, then I dont agree with our conduct and I think its unprofessional. But otherwise this summer we have conducted our transfer business quite discreetly, with no fuss. And so when Allardyce suggests we, as a club, have reason to be upset with West Ham over the transfer, Im tempted to believe that they didnt act perfectly either.

cheesecake² wrote:Don't delete my posts Deano.

Don't try to create an argument then.

Freddie Ljungberg wrote:

cheesecake² wrote:Don't delete my posts Deano.

Don't try to create an argument then.

It was just tongue and cheek. Don't delete harmless posts.

I mean...

Newcastle upped the price after you agreed the deal, which is bad. We were in the same situation with Simao before and it is very annoying...But if you want to keep the thread on topic, I think shouting 'c**ts' at the Newcastle board and management isn't the most eloquent point.

Just my opinion.

Isn't exactly a huge wind up is it?

Roger Hunt wrote:

L.r.d wrote: Well in that case horrible management considering the fans Newcastle have, say a player wants out and they will hate him and never let it drop. I feel sorry for Dyer he doesn't want to be there

On the plus side, hopefully Smith will really suffer now he's there.

Bashmachkin wrote:For a start, its hardly the case, as the West Ham fans on here are implying, that Dyer has just lost the chance of his dreams. Hes supposedly unhappy at Newcastle, and that part is true enough, but it seems a general unhappiness - perhaps because friends have left the area, perhaps because hes missing his family, or perhaps just because hes going through a period of depression (which was rumoured a year or so ago, amidst many other rumours, when he was having all his injury problems) - rather than an unhappiness aimed at the club or anyone involved with it. Obviously the incident after the Juve game, where fans crowded round his car shouting abuse, wont help things at all. But fans are fickle, Newcastle fans just as much if not more than most, and I think with a few good games where he was clearly putting in the effort, Dyer would find himself in much firmer favour. I dont think there would be the slightest problem in him fitting back into our squad - like I say, his problems are personal rather than anything to do with the club.

West Ham were the only club that put in a bid for him. I myself presumed he would rather have gone to Tottenham, particularly with Jenas there, and Id guess thats still the case, but they havent bid. So whilst he may be disappointed not to have left Newcastle, Im sure hes not distraught in any extra measure that hes missed out on a move to West Ham.

As for West Ham, given their conduct over Tevez, as well as their general approach in the transfer market - to make offers to all and sundry and then to wait and see if anything sticks, to offer big wages to tempt players to the club and to drag out their own sales for as much money as possible - Im not too inclined to sympathise, or to take their version of events as gospel. If we have simply bumped the price at the last minute for no reason, and messed the player about, then I dont agree with our conduct and I think its unprofessional. But otherwise this summer we have conducted our transfer business quite discreetly, with no fuss. And so when Allardyce suggests we, as a club, have reason to be upset with West Ham over the transfer, Im tempted to believe that they didnt act perfectly either.

I draw your attention to the 'Board code of conduct' where it clearly states that criticism of West Ham's transfer policy is a banning offence

Bashmachkin wrote:For a start, its hardly the case, as the West Ham fans on here are implying, that Dyer has just lost the chance of his dreams. Hes supposedly unhappy at Newcastle, and that part is true enough, but it seems a general unhappiness - perhaps because friends have left the area, perhaps because hes missing his family, or perhaps just because hes going through a period of depression (which was rumoured a year or so ago, amidst many other rumours, when he was having all his injury problems) - rather than an unhappiness aimed at the club or anyone involved with it. Obviously the incident after the Juve game, where fans crowded round his car shouting abuse, wont help things at all. But fans are fickle, Newcastle fans just as much if not more than most, and I think with a few good games where he was clearly putting in the effort, Dyer would find himself in much firmer favour. I dont think there would be the slightest problem in him fitting back into our squad - like I say, his problems are personal rather than anything to do with the club.

West Ham were the only club that put in a bid for him. I myself presumed he would rather have gone to Tottenham, particularly with Jenas there, and Id guess thats still the case, but they havent bid. So whilst he may be disappointed not to have left Newcastle, Im sure hes not distraught in any extra measure that hes missed out on a move to West Ham.

As for West Ham, given their conduct over Tevez, as well as their general approach in the transfer market - to make offers to all and sundry and then to wait and see if anything sticks, to offer big wages to tempt players to the club and to drag out their own sales for as much money as possible - Im not too inclined to sympathise, or to take their version of events as gospel. If we have simply bumped the price at the last minute for no reason, and messed the player about, then I dont agree with our conduct and I think its unprofessional. But otherwise this summer we have conducted our transfer business quite discreetly, with no fuss. And so when Allardyce suggests we, as a club, have reason to be upset with West Ham over the transfer, Im tempted to believe that they didnt act perfectly either.

So because Newcastle pulled the deal at the last moment, its West Hams fault, that doesn't make sense

cheesecake² wrote:

Freddie Ljungberg wrote:

cheesecake² wrote:Don't delete my posts Deano.

Don't try to create an argument then.

It was just tongue and cheek. Don't delete harmless posts.

I mean...

Newcastle upped the price after you agreed the deal, which is bad. We were in the same situation with Simao before and it is very annoying...But if you want to keep the thread on topic, I think shouting 'c**ts' at the Newcastle board and management isn't the most eloquent point.

Just my opinion.

Isn't exactly a huge wind up is it?

Funny how you left the first part of the post out wasn't it? Your first post in this thread was off-topic and was out to get a reaction.

@Bashmachkin-Yeah Yeah...go on about "Dyer would've preferred Spurs" all you want. He was ready to sign after completing everything needed to be done. You pulled the transfer and asked for more money. You haven't said you want to keep him...you want us to pay more. Threfore your conduct in this transfer is pathetic. Takes your black and white specs off.

Roger Hunt wrote:

I draw your attention to the 'Board code of conduct' where it clearly states that criticism of West Ham's transfer policy is a banning offence

Well kept on-topic

Don't be so hard on cheese cake freddie, I think he's about to cry.