Allardyce explains Dyer decision

Di Canio Is A God wrote:Don't be so hard on cheese cake freddie, I think he's about to cry.

It was only meant to be a joke.

cheesecake² wrote:

Di Canio Is A God wrote:Don't be so hard on cheese cake freddie, I think he's about to cry.

It was only meant to be a joke.

haha you can keep telling yourself that, but we know your hurting down deep inside

Di Canio Is A God wrote:
haha you can keep telling yourself that, but we know your hurting down deep inside

You're.

But anyway...Yes Newcastle are in the wrong and have behaved poorly.

cheesecake² wrote:

Di Canio Is A God wrote:
haha you can keep telling yourself that, but we know your hurting down deep inside

You're.

But anyway...Yes Newcastle are in the wrong and have behaved poorly.

sorry I didn't know that I was speaking to the spelling Nazi. Ya jowhl mein fuhrer!

BUt yeah bout time ya realize Newcastle are being wankers

Di Canio Is A God wrote:So because Newcastle pulled the deal at the last moment, its West Hams fault, that doesn't make sense

This isnt the logic I used. Our manager has claimed that we have reason to be unhappy with your conduct just as much as you have reason to be unhappy with ours, and going on the recent conduct each club has shown in transfer matters, Im more inclined to side with Newcastle.

Freddie Ljungberg wrote:
@Bashmachkin-Yeah Yeah...go on about "Dyer would've preferred Spurs" all you want. He was ready to sign after completing everything needed to be done. You pulled the transfer and asked for more money. You haven't said you want to keep him...you want us to pay more. Threfore your conduct in this transfer is pathetic. Takes your black and white specs off.

I barely went on about Spurs at all. My post was a response to the suggestions which clogged the first and second pages of this thread that Dyer would find it impossible to return to Newcastle, which carried with them an insinuation that Dyer was particularly happy and ready to be joining West Ham - that he should act petulantly towards Newcastle to show his frustration that he didnt get to move. Like I said above, Dyers supposed unhappiness is not aimed at the club and I dont think he would find it difficult to resume training or playing for us.

That said, I still think he will end up elsewhere, probably at West Ham because I cant see anyone else paying what we are asking.

Bashmachkin wrote:

Di Canio Is A God wrote:So because Newcastle pulled the deal at the last moment, its West Hams fault, that doesn't make sense

This isnt the logic I used. Our manager has claimed that we have reason to be unhappy with your conduct just as much as you have reason to be unhappy with ours, and going on the recent conduct each club has shown in transfer matters, Im more inclined to side with Newcastle.

At first fat sam said that they pulled the deal because they were unhappy that West Ham were "boasting" that the deal had been made, now its that they "reevaluated" the player, can they make up there minds?

I barely went on about Spurs at all. My post was a response to the suggestions which clogged the first and second pages of this thread that Dyer would find it impossible to return to Newcastle, which carried with them an insinuation that Dyer was particularly happy and ready to be joining West Ham - that he should act petulantly towards Newcastle to show his frustration that he didnt get to move. Like I said above, Dyers supposed unhappiness is not aimed at the club and I dont think he would find it difficult to resume training or playing for us.

That said, I still think he will end up elsewhere, probably at West Ham because I cant see anyone else paying what we are asking.

Dyer is not happy because he wants to be with his family. Playing for Newcastle does not put him near his family. Also the fact your fans have slagged him off, set up hate campaigns and have thrown stuff at his house...makes it even less likely he'll return to Newcastle and everything will be fine. Dyer knows at least 6 of our players and despite media reports he wanted us over Spurs because he'd also get played more.

We won't pay £8m...but I can't see how Dyer can go back there. The fact is you have been out of order. If you wanted £8m then you should've asked for it before the deal was minutes from completion. If you can't see that then your even more biased than me...and that takes some beating

[quote="Freddie Ljungberg"]

If you can't see that then your even more biased than me...and that takes some beating

I think I'm just about at your level freddie, if only I had admin power.... mwuhahahaha

Di Canio Is A God wrote:

cheesecake² wrote:

Di Canio Is A God wrote:
haha you can keep telling yourself that, but we know your hurting down deep inside

You're.

But anyway...Yes Newcastle are in the wrong and have behaved poorly.

sorry I didn't know that I was speaking to the spelling Nazi. Ya jowhl mein fuhrer!

BUt yeah bout time ya realize Newcastle are being wankers

Of course they are. But the predictable overreaction of West Ham fans is still quite funny.

Freddie Ljungberg wrote:Dyer is not happy because he wants to be with his family. Playing for Newcastle does not put him near his family. Also the fact your fans have slagged him off, set up hate campaigns and have thrown stuff at his house...makes it even less likely he'll return to Newcastle and everything will be fine. Dyer knows at least 6 of our players and despite media reports he wanted us over Spurs because he'd also get paid more.

slight typo there

oh great the grammer Nazis are coming out of the wood work, haha.

Roger Hunt wrote:

Di Canio Is A God wrote:

cheesecake² wrote:

Di Canio Is A God wrote:
haha you can keep telling yourself that, but we know your hurting down deep inside

You're.

But anyway...Yes Newcastle are in the wrong and have behaved poorly.

sorry I didn't know that I was speaking to the spelling Nazi. Ya jowhl mein fuhrer!

BUt yeah bout time ya realize Newcastle are being wankers

Of course they are. But the predictable overreaction of West Ham fans is still quite funny.

Surely it must get boring...

Of course I'm going to react. You could say "Deano this post is to wind you up" and I'd still react. Simply because I'm very passionate about my club.

It just seemed here that everyone was in the middle of a debate and the opinion of most posters seemed the same. Then CT posts a complete off-topic WUM post and because he supports Liverpool...you give him your backing.

Di Canio Is A God wrote:oh great the grammer Nazis are coming out of the wood work, haha.

it's a joke dude. read what he wrote originally.

debaser wrote:

Di Canio Is A God wrote:oh great the grammer Nazis are coming out of the wood work, haha.

it's a joke dude. read what he wrote originally.

I know, mine was a joke, note the haha, apparently I'm not the one who can take a joke

debaser wrote:

Di Canio Is A God wrote:oh great the grammer Nazis are coming out of the wood work, haha.

it's a joke dude. read what he wrote originally.

Haha...yeah that is another reason. But again it's not going be massive amounts like the media keep reporting.

I would agree that, whatever the situation, we havent acted well, mainly in that we have messed the player about. Like Ive said, given that Dyer seems to get on with people at the club, that his problems are personal rather than anything to do with the club, then I dont think he would find it difficult to return to Newcastle. A few good games would get the fans off his back. Obviously this doesnt solve any long term personal problems he has, and it doesnt move him closer to his family, but at the same time its not as though we will be stuck with an awol player.

If we have simply upped the price at the last minute without reason, then we have been completely out of order. Im saying that none of us know what actually happened, and that going on our transfers so far under Ashley and Allardyce, it would be out of character for us to mess things about without anything causing us to do so. Allardyce has suggested we have reason to be upset with West Ham, and so Im inclined to believe we do have reason, and that we havent simply reneged on the deal without any justification.

Bashmachkin wrote:I would agree that, whatever the situation, we havent acted well, mainly in that we have messed the player about. Like Ive said, given that Dyer seems to get on with people at the club, that his problems are personal rather than anything to do with the club, then I dont think he would find it difficult to return to Newcastle.

yeah maybe aside from the eggs thrown at the door, or the occasional bricks through the window.

Freddie Ljungberg wrote: It just seemed here that everyone was in the middle of a debate and the opinion of most posters seemed the same. Then CT posts a complete off-topic WUM post and because he supports Liverpool...you give him your backing.

I don't think I did give him my backing... I just said you were being chippy. Newcastle have clearly been stupid and if this is how they intend to conduct transfer business it will cost them credibility with other clubs.

But I just remembered that we'd had a barney over Neill/Bellamy/Benayoun, then this came along, and I was interested in a neutral view as to whether the problem is with WH or whether you're genuinely being picked on by other clubs because you have cash to spend.

Bashmachkin wrote:

That said, I still think he will end up elsewhere, probably at West Ham because I cant see anyone else paying what we are asking.

We probably won't wind up paying what you want now, just because Newcastle have been huge wankers for the ordeal.

Not really...every deal we've done has been a fair price. Other than Fenerbahce who wanted double from us compared to what they wanted from Schalke for Appiah.

I just think Newcastle have let it get so far that they expected us to go ahead with their late change. It's the wrong thing to do. If they valued him at £8m they should have said that first and perhaps we'd negotiate at £7m.

yeah I could see us get him for 7mil if they let us

Freddie Ljungberg wrote:
I just think Newcastle have let it get so far that they expected us to go ahead with their late change. It's the wrong thing to do. If they valued him at £8m they should have said that first and perhaps we'd negotiate at £7m.

Would you? They would still be ripping you off by asking for more money at the last minute, even if it was just a million more. If I was you I'd just say f@ck them. The player wants to come, the fee is agreed, and he's set to sign. They can't just renegotiate after they've accepted a smaller fee.

...Or do you mean if they valued him at £8m originally?

Di Canio Is A God wrote:

debaser wrote:

Di Canio Is A God wrote:oh great the grammer Nazis are coming out of the wood work, haha.

it's a joke dude. read what he wrote originally.

I know, mine was a joke, note the haha, apparently I'm not the one who can take a joke

my bad. thought you were laughing at grammar nazis or something

cheesecake² wrote:

Freddie Ljungberg wrote:
I just think Newcastle have let it get so far that they expected us to go ahead with their late change. It's the wrong thing to do. If they valued him at £8m they should have said that first and perhaps we'd negotiate at £7m.

Would you? They would still be ripping you off by asking for more money at the last minute, even if it was just a million more. If I was you I'd just say f@ck them. The player wants to come, the fee is agreed, and he's set to sign. They can't just renegotiate after they've accepted a smaller fee.

...Or do you mean if they valued him at £8m originally?

I mean if they said first time we want £8m...perhaps we'd have negotiated at £7m. However they wanted £6m and now suddenly want £8m. For the fact of principle I cannot see us paying more than £6m.

Dyer move could be back on apparently. The deal originally was £5m plus £1m if we get UEFA Cup. Apparently a compromise of £6m straight up could sort it.

I hope we are able to get him

Freddie Ljungberg wrote:Dyer move could be back on apparently. The deal originally was £5m plus £1m if we get UEFA Cup. Apparently a compromise of £6m straight up could sort it.

I do wish I knew how you got your info haha

It came from Talksport this particular bit...Dunno how much truth it has to it.

You'll get him eventually.

Funny that a club with a billionaire owner like Newcastle is trying to squeeze a club with similar ownership like West Ham.

This Mike Ashley guy and his crew don't seem very keen to splash the cash though.

When news came that Dyer wanted to move back south - we(Spurs) were the 1st club on most people's lips, offering European football, and playing his close mate Jenas... until he realised he'd have to slash his £80k p/w wage packet in half to join us. I said as much at the time.

yeah, but newcastle is in a pinch for money though